Conservative PAC Milking Benghazi By Claiming Clintons Will Destroy Careers
A right-wing group is making ridiculous claims about the fate of anyone who dares question Hillary Clinton about Benghazi. And it’s all in an effort to raise money of four dead Americans, as David Corn at Mother Jones points out.
If you had any iota of doubt that the right’s never-ending obsession with Benghazi is not driven by its antipathy toward (or fear of) Hillary Clinton and by a desire to raise money for conservative outfits, then please see the fundraising email below that was sent out this week by the Stop Hillary PAC. Dispatched to conservative mailing lists, the solicitation depicts the Benghazi inquiry as all about Clinton, accusing her and her comrades of mounting a cover-up and successfully (apparently) neutering all previous congressional investigations:
As you know, previous attempts to uncover the truth were met with stonewalling by Hillary Clinton and Obama administration apologists.
Make no mistake: this stonewalling has EVERYTHING to do with protecting Hillary Clinton’s chances of becoming President in 2016. You could hear the desperation in Hillary’s own voice when she shrilly yelled, “WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!!!!” at a fact-finding hearing.
Clearly, Hillary Clinton and those surrounding her think the deaths of 4 brave Americans makes no difference. Clinton simply cannot be troubled with anything that might stain the red carpet that has been rolled out for her Presidential run by the liberal elite and their accomplices in the media.
After falsely claiming that the Clintons ruined the careers of anyone who opposed them, the fundraising letter warns that the head the House Select Committee, Trey Gowdy, will be next.
…the Stop Hillary PAC warns that Americans who want the truth about Benghazi ought to be worried about Gowdy’s fate. There is, however, a way for these Americans to help: They can sign the Stop Hillary PAC’s “statement of support” for Gowdy and, of course, send money to the PAC. If you cannot part with $50, $100, $250, $500 or more, the group suggests a symbolic donation of $20.16. “If Congressman Gowdy can finally uncover the truth, then, perhaps we can stop Hillary once and for all…because, she MUST BE STOPPED,” the group notes.
arc99 May 26th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
Of course it is about 2016. Right wingers are scared to death of a Hilary candidacy. They see the polls which show that no one in the GOP has a snowball’s chance of defeating her, including their most electable alternatives such as Jeb Bush and Chris Christie.
If some TeaParty messiah like Sarah Palin or Ted Cruz got the nomination, it would be a loss of Goldwater 1964 proportions. Anyone, including me, who was naive enough to think that the nonstop barrage of delusional fiction would cease when President Obama left office, was clearly mistaken. Paranoid lies are pretty much the only strategy Republicans have to derail a Clinton candidacy.
Benghazi and the “questions” about the President’s birth certificate are two examples of the prime strategy of the far right wing zealots who have hijacked the GOP, and indicative of a party which has no ideas and no vision for America other than having corporations run anything, gutting government and destroying unions so that ordinary citizens have no organized means of countering the influence of corporations.
It is a very simple but so far effective fund-raising strategy. Make up some bullsh*t, put it in heavy rotation on right wing media until it leaks into the national news cycle. Then start asking for money.
In the statement attributed to P.T. Barnum (but which he apparently never really said), there is a sucker born every minute. Regardless of who came up with the saying, it is quite true.
There is a sucker born every minute, and they all watch FOX news, which as John Stewart describes, is the television network that reads out loud those viral emails your grandma receives, and pretends they are true.
Budda May 26th, 2014 at 12:30 pm
It amazes me that people, some of whom are actually intelligent, buy into this nonsense.
I can only assume they are ‘blinded’ by hate.
fahvel May 26th, 2014 at 1:20 pm
and which of them is intelligent B?
granpa.usthai May 26th, 2014 at 4:11 pm
what is in about Gowdy (eg: Clinton’s will destroy his career) that GOP’s are so afraid of? Could it be they don’t want anyone checking into his past political associations/ patriotic groups he may be associated with? – Or does it have to do with misappropriated funds? Perhaps there should be some sort of vetting procedure before handing a chairmanship over to a very very junior Congressperson who has very limited support in his district?
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 6:41 pm
Trey Gowdy is an experienced prosecutor who knows how to get to the truth; which is probably what the Democrats are afraid of.
It is hypocritical for you to think that as a “very very junior Congressperson” Gowdy wouldn’t be qualified.to lead this committee. After all, you voted for a community organizer to be president who was a very very junior Congressperson and who had zero work experience that would qualify him to be POTUS.
As for his support in his district; you’re wrong again. In the primary Gowdy defeated Inglis 70%-30%. Then Gowdy defeated Democratic nominee Paul Corden 63%-29%. If that is limited support, I’ll take it.
He may have misappropriated campaign funds when he was the 7th Circuit Solicitor, the state (SC) faced a budget crunch that forced many employees to go on unpaid furloughs, Gowdy funneled part of his campaign account into the solicitor’s budget so his staff could keep working.
TiredOfThemAll May 26th, 2014 at 7:00 pm
Trey Gowdy is a show boater
who knows how to suppress the truth.
We have known the truth
for 2 years now, and that fact that the ACA is working as it is supposed to,
and the majority don’t want it repealed is the reason for the Spectacular, GOP/Fox News Bengha$i BamboozlePalooza
Extravaganza!
As for; “After all, you
voted for a community organizer to be president who was a very very junior
Congressperson and who had zero work experience that would qualify him to be
POTUS….
That’s what WE said about Bush, who’s only experience was as a failed businessman and a governor of the state with the weakest governorship in the nation.
We also said that about Romney, who’s only experience was in the very business that tanked the global economy.
A community organizer works with state and local governments, people, businesses and churches.
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 9:28 pm
Talk about going off subject. I believe Gowdy was appointed to a committee to investigate the Benghazi cover up, not the ACA.
TiredOfThemAll May 26th, 2014 at 9:37 pm
I believe that I believe Gowdy was appointed to a committee to sell tee shirts and rev up the base, because they no longer have the ACA.
Shades May 26th, 2014 at 9:55 pm
And that is where you get confused. Gowdy was appointed to a committee to change the subject. ACA is working so it’s back to BENGHAZI!
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 10:40 pm
Come on Shades, I give you more credit than that. You can’t be serious that the ACA is working because it has been changed so many times that it will be years before it is fully implemented. As an American you mean to tell me that if a Republican was in the White House you would be okay with Fast and Furious, IRS, the Justice Department unwarranted investigation of AP reporters, the spending by the GSA, Solyndra, Holder’s perjury, the VA, the Pigford billion dollar payout. Not to mention the Labor Force participation rate which never improved under Obama and his trillion dollar stimulus. And, I’m sure you would be just fine with a Republican president who by the end of his term increased the national debt to more than the 43 presidents before him.
Shades May 26th, 2014 at 11:13 pm
You think you actually have credit to give? You regurgitate a bunch of crazy republican conspiracy theories and you think you still have credibility? People here provide you with link after link disproving your BS but you ignore it and post the insane reply above? Why don’t you just top it off by asking me how I feel about having a Muslim, commie, Kenyan-born usurper in office, because that’s what you’ve reduced yourself to, laughing stock. But that’s ok, it’s only a matter of time. The GOP will soon die off. These temper tantrums of yours are what is known as the denial stage.
Obewon May 26th, 2014 at 11:41 pm
Shades without grasping at delusional straws the GOP would have zip, GOP Rep: I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut (Another $500 B) Funding For Embassy Security on 10/11/12.-Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) Repubs would be left to admit their obvious failures at everything: -Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.
[GOP vice presidential nominee Paul] Ryan, [Rep. Darrell] Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State Department operations, http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/985191/chaffetz-absolutely-funding-embassy-security/
GWB ‘Wars create joBS’-Dubya’s $16.6 Trillion National Debt Boom! “We went from (CBO’s) $5.6 Trillion surplus that George Bush inherited to over … $11-plus trillion debt when George Bush left office.”-True!http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/02/steny-hoyer/steny-hoyer-says-george-w-bush-inherited-56-trilli/
Shades May 27th, 2014 at 11:13 am
Maybe if I cut and pasted your responses into my posts, Bobby would avoid me the way he does you and Arc. It just didn’t make sense to me that every one here had to post the same links over and over to get him to stop ringing the doorbell.
Bob Waas May 27th, 2014 at 9:58 am
So I take it you would be fine if all these happen with a conservative in the Wh.
What temper tantrum? I ask a question that you wouldn’t answer.
Shades May 27th, 2014 at 11:06 am
I’m not going to waste time burning down your straw men. Let me tell you a story. When we lived in KC, I worked the night shift at the ER. One day a mildly retarded young man who lived down the block walked past while I was outside and we had a nice conversation. After that, whenever he saw my car, he came down to visit. Didn’t matter if I was leaving for work, coming home off a 12 hour shift or trying to get some sleep, he rang my doorbell. I ever-so-gently tried to explain to him why he shouldn’t do that but I never got through to him. You remind me of that young man.
Bob Waas Sr. May 27th, 2014 at 4:07 pm
Still no answer. Liberals are funny that way. You ask a simple question and they dance all over the place but never give an answer. Or, when they give an answer they don’t provide facts to back it up, or even worse, they use sites like crooksandliars.
In answer to Obewon’s false claim below, it was “gaff a minute” Biden who claimed budget cuts were responsible for lack of security in Libya. The truth is:
“In testimony before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”
Lamb responded, “No, sir.”
Recall that Lamb is the person who denied requests from the top diplomatic security officer in Libya to retain a 16-man team of military personnel who had been protecting diplomats.
That would seem to be the end of the story.
Bob Waas Sr. May 28th, 2014 at 10:52 am
Your lack of compassion for those with disabilities amazes me since I thought all liberals were for the disenfranchised.
Let me tell you a story, when I lived in NC, I had a man who was mildly retarded working for me for 10 years. We had daily conversations about things that interested him and periodically I would take him out to lunch. Him and I became BFF because I didn’t treat him with indifference, but treated him like I would any other human being. You see, I saw that he needed someone who really cared what he had to say, so I invested my time doing what Jesus would do; loving his sheep. I got more than I gave; you should try it one time, it is good for the soul.
Shades May 28th, 2014 at 11:18 am
How quaint, and most likely BS. If you were a compassionate person, you wouldn’t be trolling here. I was working 12 hour night shifts at a trauma center and needed my sleep, performing duties that actually helped save people’s lives. Not something one should attempt when sleep-deprived. Did you ever get up at 2:00 am to visit with your BFF because he was knocking on your door? Didn’t think so. Yep, you remind me of him. Still ringing that bell. Except this fellow would never been so arrogant as to compare himself to Jesus.
Bob Waas Sr. May 28th, 2014 at 5:36 pm
You’re right, there are no compassionate people on this site, so I probably don’t belong here.
It’s obvious you don’t like mentally disadvantaged people because they may require some of the compassion you claim to have.
BTW, no one compares to Jesus, we just strive to be like him.
Shades May 28th, 2014 at 5:50 pm
LOL! Well, you’re half right. Maybe you’d feel more at home on an OAS web site. Those guys could use some compassion and I think you’d fit right in. If you think trolling blogs so you can insult people is striving to be like Jesus, I do believe you’re in for a rude awakening. BTW, I see no admission you got up in the middle of the night to talk to your BFF. Why is that, Bobby? Guess you’re not as compassionate as you thought, eh?
Bob Waas Sr. May 28th, 2014 at 9:36 pm
Repeating back what was written to me is not exactly the same as insulting people. The only insulting you read on this site is from the self-proclaimed, touchy, feely, liberals.
As for the middle of the night thing, what difference would it make if I gave you examples; you already made up your mind that you only believe other liberals; even if there are supporting facts.
Writer John Hawkins penned it right when he wrote:
“Liberalism creates a feedback loop. It is usually impossible for a non-liberal to change a liberal’s mind about political issues because liberalism works like so: only liberals are credible sources of information. How do you know someone’s liberal? He espouses liberal doctrine. So, no matter how plausible
what you say may be, it will be ignored if you’re not a liberal and if you are a liberal, of course, you probably agree with liberal views. This sort of close-mindedness makes liberals nearly impervious to any information that might undermine their beliefs.”
Shades May 29th, 2014 at 9:25 am
Projection, projection, projection. You ignore every link we post for you, ignore every argument that proves you’re wrong, then change the topic because you can’t fight the facts. You accuse us of dancing around when you’re the one tap-dancing to beat the band. Then, when you’re humiliated beyond all belief, you disappear, create a new sock puppet and start the cycle over. How about you man up and list for the newbies all the sock puppet names you’ve used here over the years? That will show everyone what a man you are, how you’ve hidden behind all your different log-ins because you couldn’t take the humiliation your previous reincarnation received. Yeah, I thought so.
Shades May 29th, 2014 at 9:29 am
Here’s an actual definition of liberal. From JFK.
“If by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal”, then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”― John F. Kennedy, Profiles in Courage
Bob Waas Sr. May 29th, 2014 at 11:43 pm
Sorry folks, there are no JFK’s on this site. Today’s liberals have no resemblance to JFK. Today liberals are all talk and no action. They say things that sound good and make themselves feel good but it doesn’t translate into action.
Bob Waas Sr. May 29th, 2014 at 10:04 am
What are you even talking about? I ask questions where the answer is either “yes” or “no” and not one liberal on this site answers it. Your post above is just bovine droppings from the male species.
Shades May 29th, 2014 at 10:12 am
Hilarious! Now you deny your sock puppets? Sweetie, you were busted more times than I could count. How many times did Epiphany scold you for cheating? How many times did she post “Bob Waas, quit using fake accounts!” This is so sweet. I will be LMAO the rest of the day. Have fun dreaming up your next fake name.
Bob Waas Sr. May 29th, 2014 at 4:38 pm
I will engage with you when you post something of value. Your comments are childish and add nothing to the debate; as evidenced by your back and forth with Guest which the moderator warned you about.
As for my account, I use my real name and stand behind what I post. I don’t hide behind a pseudonym like most others on this site do.
Obewon May 29th, 2014 at 5:14 pm
LL’s 50+ Faux ID’s Troll “Bob Waas Sr”-real name is about as likely as actually quoting what the Moderator actually said: “If you could I would appreciate it if you wouldn’t feed the trolls so much”-Mea_Mark, to which shades graciously replied.
If Bob Waas Sr is your real name, then prove It by posting your city, state & zipcode. (And with the several other LL ID’s you’re already re-trolling here on Alan.com with? At least 1 of your other ID’s is here on this thread-soon to be renamed in your usual & often repeated renaming New ID scams)
mea_mark May 29th, 2014 at 6:16 pm
So far this Bob Waas Sr. is the only identity with which he is using. I will keep a closer I on him though if you think he was previously banned.
Obewon May 29th, 2014 at 6:36 pm
Tyvm Mea_Mark I & Moderator EpiphanyDh are 100% certain “Bob Waas Sr” has been banned 6+ times for additional Faux ID’s (I’ll look, find & edit a link to his current LL 2nd ID but I am also 100% certain it is a non Disqus LL-ID then reading as “Bob Wass” without the Sr)
Bob Waas Sr. May 29th, 2014 at 11:31 pm
I’ll post my name, city, state, and zip code right after you and others on this site do. In fact, I believe it is a violation to even ask someone to do so.
Obewon May 29th, 2014 at 11:46 pm
Do each of your ID’s have their own zipcode, planet & Multi-verse? But seriously my name es Miguel, 1 WTC NY, NY 10048 Now yours? (Yeah I’ll believe a Waas Sr promise when Google & FB call ‘Do you know an online Tea party terrorist named Bob?’)
Shades May 29th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
You poor delusional man. You are the biggest projectionist here. You post gibberish and when confronted with facts, you change topics. You’ve been called out by the moderator so many times for all your sock puppets nobody can keep count, and you’re not man enough to admit it. I guess I should feel “compassion” for you (wink, wink).
foxnewslieseveryday May 29th, 2014 at 7:01 pm
I’ll give you a clean slate.
let’s have a policy debate.
What is your take on health care in America before and after the PPACA?
Bob Waas Sr. May 30th, 2014 at 12:24 am
Healthcare was good in America, insurance wasn’t that great.
The ACA is not a good solution. It will not accomplish what it was intended to do. It is already well over the cost estimates and they are climbing everyday. Too many people are signing up for Medicaid vs. the paid plans and eventually the costs will be passed along to those who pay the premiums. Medicaid is insurance, it is not healthcare. Doctors cannot keep their practice open if they get too many Medicaid patients and if they cut reimbursements any further the same will happen to Medicare and patients will be scampering for doctors who will accept them as patients.
foxnewslieseveryday May 30th, 2014 at 6:00 pm
” It is already well over the cost estimates and they are climbing everyday.”
[citations missing]
” Too many people are signing up for Medicaid vs. the paid plans and
eventually the costs will be passed along to those who pay the premiums”
Baseless Assertions
“. Doctors cannot keep their practice open if they get too many Medicaid
patients and if they cut reimbursements any further the same will
happen to Medicare and patients will be scampering for doctors who will
accept them as patients.”
More Baseless Assertions.
How about-
No more Free Riders.
No more Job Lock.
We are finally talking about the lack of transparency about pricing in a so called Free Market and the focus is pointing to the wall street controlled middlemen skim operators and their ChargeMasters.
We wouldn’t be changing the system and looking for Pricing information for consumers at all if it wasn’t for the Dems and this Pres.
Thank God for the Dems and God Bless President Obama.
Bob Waas Sr. May 30th, 2014 at 8:24 pm
You made a summary judgment on each of the things I posted, but you didn’t provide any support for doing so, other than your own opinion.
You appear to be in the minority in your support of the ACA. Based on a Gallup poll more Americans don’t like the ACA then those who do. http://www.gallup.com/poll/170750/despite-enrollment-success-healthcare-law-remains-unpopular.aspx
“Citation for cost over run”. Obama’s initial promise of $900 billion over 10 years is now 1.3 trillion, but it changes each time the CBO takes a look. http://washingtonexaminer.com/how-much-does-obamacare-actually-cost/article/2546895
More doctors will refuse additional Medicaid patients. http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2012/august/06/third-of-medicaid-doctors-say-no-new-patients.aspx
The administration claimed 8 million people signed up. The administration also said more than 5 million people gained coverage through the Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act. http://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-people-signed-up-for-obamacare-2014-5
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-people-signed-up-for-obamacare-2014-5#ixzz33FRjFCSk
The Medicus Firm polled American doctors and they didn’t give ACA a good grade. http://www.billoreilly.com/newslettercolumn?pid=43176&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=BillsColumn
foxnewslieseveryday May 30th, 2014 at 11:05 pm
1) Gallop push poll?
No thanks.
Actually, the smart money is on Obamacare continuing with rational,smart modifications.
“The PPACA portfolio
Fifty-one percent of Americans said they favor retaining PPACA with “small modifications,” while 13 percent would leave the law intact and 34 percent would repeal it. That’s the highest level of public acceptance for the law yet in the Bloomberg poll.
Investors are betting the law will withstand political challenges. An“Obamacare” portfolio of stocks that benefit from the law developed by the online broker Motif Investing is up 40.9 percent over a year ago as of March 12, almost doubling the performance of the Standard & Poor’s 500 index, which returned 22.9 percent.
A “Repeal Obamacare” portfolio underperformed the benchmark stock index, rising 16.1 percent during the period.”
http://m.lifehealthpro.com/2014/03/13/support-for-ppaca-rises
2) “Obama’s initial promise of $900 billion”
Faulty premise. Obama never promised any such thing.
The CBO changes have actually lowered the costs and increased the savings to the deficit.
http://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/cbo-lowers-estimated-cost-of-ppaca-by-9b.html
3)I agree that this is a problem but opening up opportunity to ALL new doctors allowing true supply/demand and ending the currently controlled amount of doctors in anti-freemarket fashion by the AMA .
“Nevertheless, there is a fundamental reason why physicians should strongly consider providing care for at least a reasonable number of Medicaid patients. It is a core professional principle that physicians should put the patient’s interest first; refusing to care for vulnerable, socioeconomically disadvantaged Medicaid patients seems
incompatible with this principle. Many medical schools ask their students to accept the World Health Organization’s Declaration of Geneva(a modified version of the Hippocratic Oath), which states in part that“I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed,ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between
my duty and my patient.”
http://pnhp.org/blog/2013/11/07/a-5-commitment-for-medicaid/
I will address the end of your post shortly.
Obewon May 29th, 2014 at 5:27 pm
Shades, Moderator Epiphany banned 6+ Bob Waas Sr faux ID’s here on LL within a 2 year period:) He’s already got a new 2nd ID ready to clone here on this thread “Bob Waas”
Phoenix Rising, Right Of Center, ROC, ‘furgetabout’-SP? and many other ID’s were just some of “Bob Waas Sr” Multiple ID’s banned for illegal violations of Alan.com TOS.
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 10:27 pm
Bush didn’t fail as a businessman, and he didn’t fail as a governor either. As a businessman he walked away from ownership in the Rangers with about $15 million dollars; that doesn’t sound like a loser to me. His earlier ventures did lose money for his investors, but they didn’t complain because the tax write-off more than made up for it.
Romney had nothing to do with the sub-prime mortgage crash. That was the birth child of the Democrats and their insistence that banks give loans to people who didn’t qualify.
Obama had zero business experience and his performance proves it. He is an empty suit who can read a teleprompter and stutters like a fool when there isn’t one.
TiredOfThemAll May 27th, 2014 at 7:42 am
Bush, business
Arbusto, oil exploration company, lost money, but it got considerable investments (nearly $5
million) because even losing oil investments were useful as tax shelters.
Spectrum 7 Energy Corp bought out Arbusto in 1984 and hired Mr. Bush to run the company’s oil
interests in Midland, Texas. The oil business collapsed as oil prices plummeted by 1986, and Spectrum 7 Energy was near failure.
Harken Energy acquired Mr. Bush’s Spectrum 7 Energy shares, and he got Harken shares, a
directorship, and a consulting arrangement in return. Harken, under Bush, brought in Saudi real estate tycoon Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh as a board member and a major investor. Over the next few years, Harken would turn out to have links to: Saudi money, CIA-connected Filipinos, the Harvard Endowment, the emir of Bahrain, and the shadowy Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
A 1991 internal SEC document suggested George W. Bush violated federal securities law at least 4 times in the late 1980s and early 1990s in selling Harken stock while serving as a director of Harken. This is essentially the same kind of activity that Martha Stewart is going to prison over. Except at the time of the investigation, Mr. Bush’s father was president and the case was quietly dropped.
He used eminent domain to take the Mathis family land, and turn a profit on the Texas Rangers.
Mostly, he slid by because of his dad.
The Texas governor is the weakest in the nation and Texas became 50th in education, with higher drop out rates and lower SATs.
There are many people who don’t think Bush was even in the loop when he was POTUS.
Bob Waas May 27th, 2014 at 9:38 am
The SEC didn’t prosecute GWB because a few days after he sold his stock it returned to the same price he sold it at, and later it doubled.
No evidence his father was involved
TiredOfThemAll May 27th, 2014 at 9:45 am
His father was the POTUS and it was HIS sec.
Bush neglected to inform the SEC about his transaction until 34 weeks had passed. Even though he had broken the law, no charges were filed.
Please.
Obewon May 29th, 2014 at 6:38 pm
Mea_Mark Here is yet another Bob Waas ID:)
foxnewslieseveryday May 29th, 2014 at 6:58 pm
Hey Obe!
This sock was registered as rightnotcenter and has now changed to Bob Waas.
Obewon May 29th, 2014 at 8:25 pm
Woo doggy “rightnofcenter”! Many here remember when we had a whole family of Bob Waas clones claiming to be an inept school kid ID named ‘Roc’, the father & a grand dad too! Kiwi the Great busted Waas cross-dressing while impersonating a female ID noting ‘Do you have a different wardrobe and ensamble for each ID??’ Out of kindness I even posted the seasonal 1/2 off Fredericks sales for Waas Sr:) http://www.fredericks.com/Lace-Up_Reversible_Corset/56311,default,pd.html
Shades May 29th, 2014 at 10:21 pm
I remember another one, something Botts was it? Once when Epiphany busted him, he said he forgets his password and has to make new IDs.
Obewon May 29th, 2014 at 10:45 pm
Shades I think another Waas Sr faux ID was posting as ‘Robotz’. I’ve got a list but he’s scurried away as usual probably online shopping at Frederick’s closeout sale replacing his wornout pushup bras, fishnets and rhinestone handcuffs.
mea_mark May 29th, 2014 at 7:11 pm
I will keep an eye on it also. With out giving away what I know they are similar but different and will try and stay on top of things and if something happens to one it will happen to the other.
Bob Waas Sr. May 30th, 2014 at 3:39 pm
mea_mark – regardless of what others may say, my ID depends upon whether I connect to LL from my Google account or through Facebook. I actually haven’t logged on, I just click on an item directing me to LL and the system logs me in. I hadn’t noticed the difference (Waas Sr. vs. Waas) until Obewon pointed it out.
Obewon May 30th, 2014 at 7:55 pm
The 6+ other Faux ID’s you were banned for using included “RightofCenter” & weren’t (G+)Waas or (FB) Waas Sr. Your universal dishonesty & denial of reality proves what everyone here already knows. You’re a well proven liar.
TiredOfThemAll May 27th, 2014 at 7:53 am
And no, Romney did not cause the crash, but the business that made his fortune did.
“That was the birth child of the Democrats and their insistence
that banks give loans to people who didn’t qualify.”????
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That is a nice little fiction that Fox people tell middle class people in order to blame the excess of rich people on poor people.
The CRA had nothing to do with the sub prime crash.
84.3% of subprime loans in 2006 were made by financial institutions not governed by the CRA.
The CRA does not cover independent mortgage companies, which issued the vast majority of the loans underlying the crisis. The act applies only to depository banks and S&L’s that are federally insured.
As subprime lending exploded in this 2000s, CRA lost its relevance because it didn’t cover the more loosely regulated non-bank mortgage companies, which increasingly took the mortgage market away from banks and thrifts.
According to Federal Reserve Governor Randall Kroszner, the claim that “the law pushed banking institutions to undertake high-risk mortgage lending” was contrary to their experience, and that no empirical evidence had been presented to support the claim.
In the late 90’s and early 2000’s the qualification guidelines to get a mortgage were pretty tight and there was also an excess of capital globally, and demand was for low risk investments.
Mortgage backed securities was seen as the perfect investment.
The demand for mbs became so high, that there was a point somewhere in 2003 when
everyone who qualified for a mortgage got one, and still the global pool of money wanted more.
GramLeach Bliley allowed the commercial banks to sell mortgages to investment banks, while the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 allowed Wall Street to become a casino, where the house always wins, which among other thing resulted in Credit Default Swaps to get around the leverage requirements laid out by The Basel Accords, then that shifted into the naked credit default
swaps, because there were no regulations to assure that either or both banks had a stake or even the money to back them up.
Look up “ghetto loans” and Phil Gramm, (of Gramm Leach Bliley), “Some people look at subprime lending and see evil. I look at subprime lending and I see the American dream in
action,”. He also said, “Unless the waters are crimson with the blood of investors, I don’t want you embarking on any regulatory flights of fancy,”
Meanwhile, Mitt Romney was not a businessman; he was a master financial speculator who bought, sold, flipped, and stripped businesses. He did not build enterprises the old-fashioned way—out of inspiration, perspiration, and a long slog in the free market fostering a new product, service, or process of production. Instead, he spent his 15 years raising debt in prodigious amounts on Wall Street so that Bain could purchase the pots and pans and castoffs of corporate America, leverage them to the hilt, gussy them up as reborn “roll-ups,” and then deliver them back to Wall Street for resale—the faster the better.
That is the MO of the leveraged-buyout business, and in an honest free-market economy, there wouldn’t be much scope for it because it creates little of economic value. But we have a rigged system—a regime of crony capitalism—where the tax code heavily favors debt and capital gains, and the central bank purposefully enables rampant speculation by propping up the price of financial assets and battering down the cost of leveraged finance.
As for “Obama had zero business experience and his performance proves it”
1) Those with business experience tanked the economy. I’m not impressed with their qualifications to do more than line the pockets of a few at the expense of the middle class.
2) The Stimulus prevented a second recession that could have turned into a depression, when the economy was contracting 8.9% in Q4 ’08, 6.7% in Q1 ’09.
It created or saved an average of 1.6 million jobs a year for four years It raised the nation’s economic output by 2 to 3 percent from 2009 to 2011. It prevented a significant increase in poverty
— without it, 5.3 million additional people would have become poor in 2010.
3) Obama turned the worse crash since 1929 around, turned private sector job loss into 50 straight months of private sector job gain.
If you think it’s not fast enough, get back to us when you have tried his jobs bill.
That is why….
Oct 28, 2011;
Fox News poll: Majority favors Obama’s jobs plan and faults GOP for blocking it
~ Nov.
7, 2011 Post/ABC
survey: “50% think GOP intentionally stalling economy, including 51% of Indies,
& 15% of GOPers.
Shades May 26th, 2014 at 7:24 pm
And after months pass and Gowdy finds nothing, you’ll be here to apologize, right?
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 8:28 pm
Absolutely! If the investigation proves that Obama et. al. were complicit in a cover up will you be here to apologize?
Shades May 26th, 2014 at 9:06 pm
Everyone here knows I will. Nobody here believes you will.
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 9:36 pm
You can hold me to it. The difference with this investigation and those held by Issa, is Gowdy will have subpoena power. Also, Judicial Watch through a Freedom of Information Act were able to obtain an email written by Ben Rhodes. where he urged Rice “to underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy.”
Why was Susan Rice speaking and not someone from the State Department?
Shades May 26th, 2014 at 9:54 pm
Hold you to it my foot. BWSr will disappear and you’ll be back with a new sock puppet as you’ve done more times than we can count. The “smoking” email doesn’t prove a coverup and any politician who’s preparing to appear on a Sunday talk show gets similar emails. This is all about scaring up the base. Better start picking your new name.
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 10:07 pm
So you believed Susan Rice when she said the attack was the result of a Youtube video that not many people had seen?
TiredOfThemAll May 26th, 2014 at 10:17 pm
Email Consistent With
Intelligence Reports At The Time. The
email issued by Rhodes, which advised Rice on her upcoming appearances,
provided information about global protests and said specifically about the
attack, “the currently available information suggests that the
demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the
US Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the US Consulate
and subsequently its annex.” The language used by Rhodes is nearly
identical to the initial draft of the CIA talking points, and was consistent
with the intelligence community.
Senate Select Committee On
Intelligence: Intel Reports Linked Inflammatory Video To Benghazi Attack. A Senate Select Committee on Intelligence found that “some
intelligence suggests” an inflammatory video linked to violent protests
around the region led terror groups to conduct “similar attacks with
advanced warning”:
It remains unclear if any
group or person exercised overall command and control of the attacks or whether
extremist group leaders directed their members to participate. Some
intelligence suggests the attacks were likely put together in short order,
following that day’s violent protests in Cairo against an inflammatory video,
suggesting that these and other terrorist groups could conduct similar attacks
with little advance warning. [Review Of The Terrorist Attacks On U.S. Facilities
In Benghazi, Libya, September 11-12, 2012, U.S. Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, 1/15/14]
Former CIA Acting Director
Believed At The Time Video Might Have Motivated Attack. Former CIA acting director Mike Morrell has testified that
the CIA chief of station in Libya believed at the time that the video
might have motivated the attackers. [The Daily Beast, 4/2/14]
Cairo Protests Cited By
CIA Talking Points Were Sparked By The Anti-Islam Video. The “protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo” mentioned
in both versions of the CIA talking points were part of a global reaction to
the anti-Islam video. A September 14 New York Times article
reported “Anti-American rage that began this week over a video insult to
Islam spread to nearly 20 countries across the Middle East and beyond on
Friday, with violent and sometimes deadly protests.” The article went on
to note that protesters “had penetrated the perimeters of the American
Embassies in the Tunisian and Sudanese capitals, and said that 65 embassies or
consulates around the world had issued emergency messages about threats of
violence.” [The New York Times, 9/14/12]
Emails Show “White House Believed The Story They Were Pushing.” Slate chief political correspondent John Dickerson wrote
that while the newly released documents “clearly show that the White House
pushed the video story,” they also show “proof that the White House
believed the story they were pushing,” given that the CIA “made spontaneity
its first and most durable claim that weekend” by initially blaming the
video. [Slate, 4/30/14]
Shades May 26th, 2014 at 10:55 pm
Yes. That is what people believed from the info they had at the time. That is what the CIA had said. Who told you not many people had seen the video? President Romney? What do you think Gowdy is going to find out? That the embassy was attacked by the Muslim Brotherhood using weapons sold to them by Obama (because one crazy person has already tried to sell me that pile o’poo. Maybe it was one of your sock puppets.)
arc99 May 26th, 2014 at 9:55 pm
The protests being referred to on page 1 of Mr. Rhodes’ email most certainly were about the video since the only two countries mentioned on page 1 were Yemen and Turkey.
Demonstrations against the video were happening in many Muslim countries and right wingers lie by omission by never mentioning that salient point.
Libya is not even mentioned until page 2. Did you even read the memo? It was dated September 14. As shown in this news story dated just three days later, protests that were about the video, were still going strong.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/17/world/film-protests/
No let-up in protests over anti-Islam film
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 8:31 AM EDT, Tue September 18, 2012
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 10:12 pm
Did you miss the part where Ben Rhodes provided the talking points so they would blame it on a video and not call it a terrorist attack? There was never any doubt that the Benghazi attack was terrorist attack. What are you afraid of, the truth?
craig7120 May 26th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
Ok, so you’re admitting that the dems are smarter than repubs? I mean nothing has been found so far, yet another investigator is on the benghazi case. Which is it, republicans are incompetent? Or Democrats are clever?
Its a shame Dick Tracy is unavailable, not because hes fictional, he prolly knows its a waste of time.
William May 26th, 2014 at 4:25 pm
It’s fun watching the GOP campaign against a woman who hasn’t even announced her political intentions. It’s even more fun watching them invent scandals.
Obewon May 26th, 2014 at 10:49 pm
The GOP Ben Ghazi implosion continues proving the obvious: All polls prove Repub misogynists have nobody that any majority, or plurality of FNC voters will elect today or in 2016. Hillary Clinton in 2016~53% Vs Jeb Bush 41% http://www.pollingreport.com/wh16gen.htm
Even Fox News Polls finds 63% think Congressional Republicans are using Benghazi “for political gain”-May 14, 2014. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/15/1299714/-Fox-News-Polls-finds-63-think-Congressional-Republicans-are-using-Benghazi-for-political-gain The Tea party suicide bombers tanked the GOP & TP to alltime record lows http://www.alan.com/2014/05/21/tea-party-support-at-all-time-low/
Ennaxor May 28th, 2014 at 10:20 am
You post lots of so-called ‘facts’, percentages, propaganda. All of it twisted and fabricated to ‘prove’ your liberal and mindless point. You pull BS arguments from ultra-liberal sources as the information isn’t biased and as if it were absolute fact. Problem is that each of your sources can be contradicted with another source. You seem to be uninformed, gullible and like most mindless liberals, very confident and arrogant with your opinion.
arc99 May 28th, 2014 at 10:31 am
I have to laugh out loud. after five years of death panels, secret Muslim, faked birth certificate, child reeducation camps and who knows what other nonsense from the right wing, and it is liberals who are mindless? yeah right. you are just another mindless right winger who needs to cleanup their own side of the political aisle.
time and time again, the right wingers in this forum attempt to “prove” their nonsense with links to far right wing blogs which contain nothing but somebody’s opinion.
gullible right wingers believe every stupid email that hits their inbox and no amount of facts from “ultra liberal sources” such as the real world will change their mind. if you don’t like it here, you are free to leave and lurk at redstate.com where I am sure you will be much happier, since like typical right wingers who cannot tolerate a different opinion, they prohibit posts from liberals.
Ennaxor May 28th, 2014 at 10:44 am
Thank you for your support and confirmation. The ‘real world’ and ultra-liberal are not connected. Just like the ‘real world’ and ultra-conservative are not connected. I understand that my opinion is just that, My opinion. But arrogant ultra-liberals like arrogant ultra-conservatives are firmly convinced that they stand above all others. Get your information from a variety of sources and you may have a better idea of the truth. Don’t blindly believe what is said on ultra-anything sites. They have an agenda and the agenda is usually not printing the truth.
arc99 May 28th, 2014 at 10:52 am
Your presumptions notiwthstanding, I probably qualify as an “ultra liberal” in your eyes.
I get my information from a wide range of sources ranging from the Wall St Journal to al Jazeera America. I don’t blindly believe anything, as most liberals do not.
On the other hand, go and google the story about the Navy Jack and how the President supposedly ordered navy seals to remove the patch from their uniforms because it resembled the TeaParty symbol. Right wingers across the net unthinkingly swallowed the lie hook line and sinker and refused to believe it when the hoax was revealed.
In fact, i will save you the trouble, here is the story. Now you show me an example of a blatant lie from a liberal being accepted as truth without question. no both sides do not do it. we liberals use reality to form our opinons and your unsubstantiated “both sides do it” baloney does not change that.
It is one thing to accuse dailykos and other leftist sites of being wrong on the facts. Quite another to provide an example. So let us see your specific example of these”ultra liberal” sites which Obe referenced, being wrong on the facts.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/01/navy-seals-ordered-to-remove-dont-tread-on-me-navy-jack-from-uniforms/
Ennaxor May 28th, 2014 at 11:01 am
Yes. That’s what I said. Both sides do it. That is my entire point. I am happy to say that I am not an ‘ultra’ anything. And I don’t typically click on the ‘I am right’ links. Sorry. Have a good day.
arc99 May 28th, 2014 at 11:09 am
in other words, you have accusations but no facts to support your opinion.
and you avoid facts that support the opposing view.
no. both sides do not do it.
got it. thanks…
Shades May 28th, 2014 at 3:54 pm
” I don’t typically click on the ‘I am right’ links. ” Well of course you don’t. As my step-dad used to say “I don’t want to know I’m wrong.”
Ennaxor May 28th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
Oh yes, can see it now Shades. You read mine, I read yours, you read mine, I read yours, you read mine, I read yours, you read mine, I read yours, you read mine, I read yours, you read mine, I read yours, you read mine, I read yours, you read mine, I read yours. How incredibly dumb. As Shades always says “I AM RIGHT AND I CAN PROVE IT!!!”. hahahah. Convince yourself honey, odds are you are the only person who considers your opinion the God’s Truth.
Shades May 28th, 2014 at 4:26 pm
If you believe that word salad somehow gave you the upper hand here, cling to it hard. I doubt you experience that feeling very often. How sad for you.
Ennaxor May 28th, 2014 at 6:05 pm
Hope you can make sense of it but not surprised if you can’t. After all, you are still quoting your step-dad.
Shades May 28th, 2014 at 6:22 pm
LOL! Thanks for reinforcing our impression of you. This is like shooting fish in a barrel. You are most amusing. Now hurry back to your Operation American Spring page so you can complain about Obama blacking out your social media.
Ennaxor May 28th, 2014 at 7:11 pm
Our impression? LOL! Who is helping you with your comments, your step-dad?
Shades May 29th, 2014 at 9:19 am
How sad for you. You’re all alone. Poor baby. I’m not surprised. Considering how spiteful you are, you’ve never been able to use the terms “ours” or “we.” BTW, my stepdad, whom you so enjoy deriding, was boots on the ground on Normandy Beach, or as he would say when you tried to pry it out of him “I got my boots wet.” He’s been dead 10 years now. In spite of his hard-headedness, he was a beloved member of our family. Yes, I have a family. You might too if you weren’t such a hateful person.
Ennaxor May 29th, 2014 at 10:44 am
Is it convenient now to praise your step dad? Because your original statement was criticizing him. Throwing him under the bus. I don’t believe a word you say because you talk out both sides. Blah blah blah.
arc99 May 29th, 2014 at 10:58 am
loving a member of your family does not mean you do not recognize when they are wrong.
your post is nonsense. and you have no intelligent rebuttal to people who present facts to support an opinion that is different than yours.
Shades May 29th, 2014 at 11:06 am
Poor little Exlax. He has no family so he knows not of what he speaks. My step-father was a strong-headed, belligerent man (he was a republican who married into a family of liberal democrats). He made lots of uninformed statements and when we offered to show him proof otherwise, his remark was always “I don’t want to know I’m wrong.” It became a catch phrase and we teased him about it endlessly. But he was caring and generous and never missed an important date in our lives. Exlax knows he’s stepped in it big-time and is flailing around trying to save what little credibility he thinks he has left (sorry, buddy, that ship sailed). I honestly don’t care what you think of me. I simply enjoy humiliating you in this forum.
Ennaxor May 29th, 2014 at 11:13 am
That’s sweet. But nobody cares but you and 99.
Shades May 29th, 2014 at 11:17 am
Apparently you do because you keep responding. That means more than you can imagine, considering this article is 3 days old. Ask your therapist next time you see her.
mea_mark May 29th, 2014 at 11:20 am
You need to clean up your act as well. I really don’t want to waste my time reading nonsense and neither do a lot of other readers. Please try and contribute something of value.
Ennaxor May 29th, 2014 at 11:24 am
First time I have been on this site and last. I would appreciate it if you would delete all my comments. Thank you
mea_mark May 29th, 2014 at 11:16 am
That is really unnecessary. If you could I would appreciate it if you wouldn’t feed the trolls so much. It makes it harder to moderate and get rid of the bad trolls when there is bad behavior coming from normally respected readers.
Shades May 29th, 2014 at 11:50 am
Mea culpa. I didn’t realize I was making your job harder. I will lay off.
mea_mark May 29th, 2014 at 1:26 pm
I try to be fair to all and apply rough guidelines equally. If we keep to a higher standard it is easier to put the trolls in their place or get rid of them when they act up too much. It is also a lot less reading when people aren’t going back and forth with near useless tit for tat jabs. Keep it clean, relevant and witty and my job is a lot easier. Hopefully coming here will be a more enjoyable experience for all, except for maybe the bad trolls.
Ennaxor May 28th, 2014 at 4:32 pm
You are ridiculous. ‘We Liberals’? as if there is a liberal mold out there and all liberals are made from that one mold and therefore each and every liberal thinks and feels the same. I don’t think you can speak for any liberal except yourself. I qualify you as a self-important kid.
Obewon May 28th, 2014 at 12:58 pm
Citing nonpartisan Pulitzer Prize winner Politifact, WaPo, linking every statistical poll via “polling report” & CBS polls proves what even Fox News Polls couldn’t deny “Tea Party Support At All-Time Low 15% Approval” following Issa’s 0 indictments after 50 weeks of hearings per year via 8+ Benghazi investigations proves what everyone else had learned in September 2012: The 22 minute US Military response from the first call for help retook the consulate in 1 hour & 15 minutes saving 30 lives. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/benghazi-timeline-how-the-attack-unfolded/
Why didn’t Wing Nut Daily, et al report any well proven facts to you suckers living in your fact-free bubble? A: They only make up long ago debunked BS mooching revenue from you well proven delusional-disorder/ paranoids. 1) Good luck debunking the bipartisan US Senate Report released January 15, 2014. “No stand down order or coverup from anyone.” “The report found no evidence of the kind of political coverup that Republicans have long alleged.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/senate-report-attack-on-us-compound-in-benghazi-could-have-been-prevented/2014/01/15/5e197224-7de9-11e3-95c6-0a7aa80874bc_story.html
2) GOP Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) : I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut (another $500 B) Funding For Embassy Security 1 month after Benghazi on october 10, 2012. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.
[GOP vice presidential nominee Paul] Ryan, [Rep. Darrell] Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/985191/chaffetz-absolutely-funding-embassy-security/
3) Here are your Bernghazi delusions debunked as broadcast by Fantasy News on GOP TV. http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/01/15/fox-benghazi-myths-dispelled-by-new-bipartisan/197609 “No stand down order or coverup from anyone.”
You’re lucky Fox News Polls tried to ease your pain by reporting only 2/3 think your GOP is full of crap on Benghazi. Most everyone is still laughing too hard at fools above e.g. Birther-Bob Waas Sr ‘Where’s the birth certificate?’ Proving why only a few dozen nutcases showed up for the 3rd failed Klayman, etc Operation American Spring Fail.
Bob Waas Sr. May 27th, 2014 at 6:55 am
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” Saul Alinsky: American Socialist leader’s Book – “Rules For Radicals”
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fobbs/140526
Shades May 27th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
It worked on you.
Bob Waas Sr. May 27th, 2014 at 3:32 pm
Actually, it didn’t work on me and that is why it is necessary to have a more thorough investigation into the Benghazi attack. After that, we will go after the rest of them.
However, it apparently has worked on you and some others on this site as you still refuse to acknowledge all the times the president has knowingly lied.
“Obama spent his entire youth taking classes and later teaching workshops on Alinsky’s methods. He worked hard to follow Alinsky’s rule of “blending in”.
Read the rest of this Patriot Update article here: http://patriotupdate.com/articles/proof-that-obama-is-linked-to-radical-alinsky/#vjpu8sYAXeCYp914.99
Shades May 28th, 2014 at 11:47 am
Ha! Patriot Update. Next time, post a link to the Psychic Friend’s Network. It would be more believable. Like I said, worked on you.
TiredOfThemAll May 30th, 2014 at 8:47 pm
Bob Waas Sr.
Because I can not find the comment from the front page;
Few people know anything about the law.
Most
people get info from least trusted sources.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b26169e2019aff4d1b37970d-pi
March,
2014
Kaiser, April;
“8 million” registered with many, but
majority don’t view first enrollment period as a success
Just over four in ten Americans (43 percent) were
correctly able to identify that “about eight million” people have signed up for
coverage through the ACA’s new marketplaces as of April. Still, the majority of
the public does not seem to register this as a success. Nearly six in ten
believe that the number of people signing up for coverage fell short of the
government’s expectations. Even among those who correctly identified the fact
that 8 million people have signed up so far, roughly half believe enrollment
CNN
May 11, 2014;
According to the poll, 61% want
Congress to leave the Affordable Care Act alone (12%) or make some changes to
the law in an attempt to make it work better (49%).
fell short instead of expectations.
TiredOfThemAll May 30th, 2014 at 8:49 pm
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Bob Waas Sr. • 4 days ago
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” Saul Alinsky: American Socialist leader’s Book – “Rules For Radicals”
________
1) Where did Saul Alinsky say that??
I have the book in front of me, so where in the book?
I think it was Hitler.
2) From where do you get the idea that he was a socialist?