Right Wing Nut Jobs React To Hobby Lobby Decision
On Monday, the Supreme Court’ ruled in a 5-4 decision that the government can’t require certain employers to provide insurance coverage for methods of birth control and emergency contraception that conflict with their religious beliefs, so of course, the religious right is ecstatic. Naturally, those are the same people who oppose abortion, so that really leaves women out of the loop; No affordable contraception and no way out of an unwanted pregnancy.
After the anticipated Hobby Lobby ruling, right wing nut jobs weighed in.
RedState.com’s Erick Erickson applauded the decision by being a misogynistic jerk.
On RedState, Erickson writes, “Hobby Lobby will not have to comply with the birth control mandate in Obamacare. This is a huge win for religious liberty with Justice Alito writing the decision.”
Comments came pouring in — I’ll leave two examples, one of which has to do with slapping down Obama:
Contraception is evil.
American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer predicts stuff:
Prediction: Obama will issue an executive order directing the government to buy contraceptives for every woman in America.
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) June 30, 2014
Right Wing Watch notes, , the American Family Association is taking a poll:
That’s a totally fair poll.
Male Conservative justices on the Supreme Court just ruled against women and for their corporate employers.
Bianca Bradley June 30th, 2014 at 9:02 pm
Plan B is available over the counter. Birth control pills cost 20.00 bucks a month(the pills aren’t covered but the doctor would be) and the IUD long term is the cheapest, but you just have to have the money to have it put in. Or you could go to planned parenthood or your local health care clinic.
Anomaly 100 June 30th, 2014 at 9:03 pm
True that, but Planned Parenthood clinics are demonized by the right. Many have shuttered in Southern States. It’s not an option for women in rural communities.
Bianca Bradley June 30th, 2014 at 9:04 pm
Women in rural communities would have to drive to a doctor, they could drive to the nearest health clinic.
Anomaly 100 June 30th, 2014 at 9:07 pm
I don’t think you read my comment. The clinics were shuttered, meaning some of them would have to drive across the state, or to another state.
Bianca Bradley June 30th, 2014 at 10:55 pm
Planned Parenthood is not the only clinics available to people. For instance in Ms, there are rural clinics available run by the state.
Anomaly 100 June 30th, 2014 at 9:46 pm
Oh I see. Suddenly your party is in favor of the federal government?
R.J. Carter June 30th, 2014 at 10:08 pm
Not always. But the government doing it is better than the government forcing someone else to do it.
Shoshana Edwards July 1st, 2014 at 1:59 am
That’s hilarious! “…the government forcing someone else to do it.” Before the ACA with its mandate for contraception, Hobby Lobby’s insurance plan included the very forms of birth control it now has successfully sued to be exempt from. Pray tell, who was coercing them before the ACA? Or might it just be that there is a different agenda here than the one they are putting out publicly.
mea_mark July 1st, 2014 at 9:24 am
Single payer health system would solve that problem.
Bianca Bradley June 30th, 2014 at 10:58 pm
Republicans have always been in favor of the military, which is federal government. They haven’t been in favor of a lot of large social agencies, their platform on that hasn’t changed. Democrats have been in favor of large social agencies, and against the military, not seeing where either parties platform has changed all that much.
mmaynard119 July 1st, 2014 at 8:36 am
The Democrats are not “against the military”. the Democrats are against the unbridled use of military power for unclear purposes. We now know that three of our most recent military engagements were based upon lies: Grenada, Vietnam and Iraq. The Democrats believe that diplomacy works better than military intervention, with military invention as a potential option. Right now, who is pushing for better benefits and treatment for Vietnam and Iraq war veterans? It’s not the “pro-military” Republicans. John McCain is all gung-ho about sending in troops first and assessing situations after. He learned nothing from his own experiences.
Shoshana Edwards July 1st, 2014 at 1:56 am
like this Congress would approve of such care coming from the government.
mmaynard119 June 30th, 2014 at 10:28 pm
Yes, and Planned Parenthood clinics for many woman is the only form of gynecological services they can get, including testing for STD’s. The right-wing’s fear of woman’s sexuality is tied into their fear of woman’s political power. Many religions, especially the HRCC, are no better. The new pope is deathly afraid of woman rising up and demanding equal treatment.
Texas now has 1 woman’s reproductive rights clinic left because of right-wing religious A/H like Rick Perry and David Dewhurst. Like Rick Scott, Rick Perry also has a major conflict of interest about any health care issue because of his sister’s ownership of medical clinics.
Anomaly 100 June 30th, 2014 at 10:32 pm
Exactly. And what Republicans have conveniently forgotten is that birth control pills are not solely used as a contraceptive. I took them at one time because of excruciating cramps. There are numerous uses for them.
Martha Washington June 30th, 2014 at 9:27 pm
There are multiple birth control pills available for 9$ a month.
Shoshana Edwards July 1st, 2014 at 1:55 am
and pray the protestors outside Planned Parenthood don’t kill you. Or beat the crap out of you.
Obewon June 30th, 2014 at 9:08 pm
This is a great opportunity for DIY-IUD.com’s business plan. Carefully bend a coat hanger. Microwave on high and kiss your ass goodbye.
Dave June 30th, 2014 at 9:18 pm
Screw Sharia Lobby.
Martha Washington June 30th, 2014 at 9:23 pm
Why is bashing Religious Freedom so much fun for liberal elitist,when they pretend so hard to practice tolerance?
KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker June 30th, 2014 at 9:28 pm
Perhaps they object to sharia law.
mea_mark June 30th, 2014 at 9:38 pm
Maybe people don’t like being forced into believing someone else’s belief. Their idea of religious freedom is cramming it down someone else’s throat.
R.J. Carter June 30th, 2014 at 10:06 pm
How so?
Bianca Bradley June 30th, 2014 at 11:01 pm
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the case that SCOTUS ruled on. The ruling does not require people who work at Hobby Lobby to be Christian or to accept Christian values. It lets Hobby Lobby, like the non profit charities get an exemption from the ACA.
mmaynard119 July 1st, 2014 at 8:50 am
The ruling continues the legal falsity that corporations are people and expands this into corporations having religious rights to impose on their employees off-work activities. Being a corporation is a business decision based upon the law of the state regarding business structure and taxation. Being a corporation has NOTHING to do with having religious rights. This ruling is based upon no legal precedent and Altio’s explanation has very little legal justification. This is about the corrupt members of the Roberts Court doing the bidding of their 1% paymasters.
R.J. Carter July 1st, 2014 at 9:28 am
Citizens United = Constitutional
+ RFRA = Constitutional
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Hobby Lobby Ruling
mmaynard119 July 1st, 2014 at 11:45 am
Citizens United was not constitutional. It was a law loosely based upon the English concept around the voting rights of shareholders in businesses. Citizens United was one of the biggest pieces of legal crap ever inflicted upon the citizenry.
R.J. Carter July 1st, 2014 at 11:50 am
As I understand it, anything the SCOTUS has blessed, no matter how distasteful it is or how wrong we think they are, is to be considered (put on your noise muffling safety headphones at this time) THE LAW OF THE LAND!
mmaynard119 July 1st, 2014 at 12:06 pm
Which is why various states and the Senate are passing laws to overturn it. It’s the law, but it’s not based on the Constitution, nor is Hobby Lobby, which is based upon Citizens “United”. Both are based upon this phantom concept of the First Amendment right to free speech means that corporations are people. The same invalid 1st Amendment interpretation is used in Hobby Lobby. How did the US exist for 200+ years without having corporations as people? This is as nakedly corrupt as any recent Supreme Court decision has ever been.
mmaynard119 July 2nd, 2014 at 8:24 pm
If Alito’s Hobby Lobby opinion — the second of the two decisions he handed down on Monday — proves anything, it is that Alito has mastered the art of reading legal authorities that cut sharply against his position, and then authoring a legal opinion that passes them off as if they actually bolster his argument. In Hobby Lobby, Alito was confronted by decades of legal precedents establishing that religious liberty claims could not be used to diminish the rights of third parties, especially in the employment context. Worse, at least for Alito’s belief that employers with religious objections to birth control could deny legally mandated coverage to their employees, Hobby Lobby turned upon how the Court interpreted a 1993 law — a law known as the Religious Freedom Restoration Act or RFRA — that explicitly stated that its purpose was to “restore the compelling interest test” set out by these earlier precedents after that test was overruled by an unpopular Supreme Court decision. This was the same legal test that was in place when the Court held that “[w]hen followers of a particular sect enter into commercial activity as a matter of choice, the limits they accept on their own conduct as a matter of conscience and faith are not to be superimposed on the statutory schemes which are binding on others in that activity.”
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/07/02/3455366/the-most-partisan-justice/
R.J. Carter July 1st, 2014 at 9:27 am
They don’t have to believe. They’re perfectly free to believe what they want to believe, and to buy what they want to buy.
You’re uncomfortable with the notion of a corporation enforcing its morality on its employees (which isn’t happening, but you think it is, so let’s go with it), but you’re perfectly fine with the government enforcing its morality on corporations?
mmaynard119 June 30th, 2014 at 10:33 pm
Because what you don’t seem to understand is that “religious freedom” also means “freedom from religion”. Keep your religious beliefs to yourself and stop trying to impose them on others who don’t agree with them. You don’t know what God’s will is, and if you think you do, you’ve committed idolatry. And if your religious views are directly from God, then how come there are so many different religions? I can set up an altar in my garage and call it the Church of the Holy Toyota, too.
mmaynard119 June 30th, 2014 at 10:57 pm
The major cause of wars has been religion. What’s going on in Iraq and Syria right now are wars based upon religious intolerance and hatred spanning over a thousand years.
And for those who believe Christianity is superior to all other religions, then you’re basing your belief upon a book that has been rewritten and retranslated thousands of times. If the Bible is God’s will, then why are there so many o f them and why do they differ?
Historically religion has been all about politics and control of the masses. Gee that sounds a lot like Hobby Lobby………….. You can believe in God and recognize that religion is a big stealing pile of horse bleep. And I once studied for the priesthood. Where was God when all those innocent boys were getting their innocence taken from them?
Um Cara June 30th, 2014 at 11:05 pm
*The major cause of wars has been religion.*
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I disagree. I think the major cause of wars has been powerful people who wanted more power. Religion is just a handy mechanism to use to get the non powerful people to do the dying necessary to get the objective.
Absent religion some other unifying force would have been found. Though without a unifying force like religion there wouldn’t be societies & humans would have probably croaked off long ago (we are pretty weak critters, individually). So maybe you are right, religion is the major cause of wars – because without it there probably wouldn’t even be humans around by now to fight wars.
KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker June 30th, 2014 at 11:29 pm
No, religion has started more wars and killed more people.
You’re just talking about people who used religion.
Um Cara July 2nd, 2014 at 7:50 am
*You’re just talking about people who used religion.*
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To manipulate people into fighting wars on their behalf. To further *their* causes, not ‘religion’s’ cause.
mmaynard119 July 1st, 2014 at 8:27 am
Or not. Or believed their superior religious views allowed them to “educate” the heathens from other lands. Go back and look at the history of the Holy Roman Empire. Look at what’s gone on between the Israelis and Palestinians.
There is nothing new under the sun, except the history you haven’t learned.
Um Cara July 2nd, 2014 at 7:29 am
“There is nothing new under the sun, except the history you haven’t learned.”
LOL – you are pretty naive, mmaynard. It’s cute, you made me smile 🙂
mmaynard119 July 2nd, 2014 at 8:58 am
Actually, dim bulb, that’s a knowing misquote on my part. What Harry Truman said was: There is nothing new in the world except the history you do not know.
What Georges Santayana wrote was:
Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Since you don’t know history and have a poor memory, then make sure you leave a trail of breadcrumbs to find your way home from the grocery store.
Um Cara July 2nd, 2014 at 8:15 pm
*Actually, dim bulb… Since you don’t know history and have a poor memory, then make sure you
leave a trail of breadcrumbs to find your way home from the grocery
store.*
The Ad hominem is strong in this one… At any rate, sounds like we disagree. You take what *I consider* to be a superficial interpretation of historical events. And you think I’m stupid and have a poor memory.
Good stuff.
Have a happy fourth! May your day be filled with watermelon, hotdogs, apple pie, friends, family and fellowship.
mea_mark July 2nd, 2014 at 8:27 pm
Please stop it..
mea_mark July 2nd, 2014 at 8:27 pm
Please stop it.
mmaynard119 July 2nd, 2014 at 9:14 pm
My apologies, Mark. I should know better.
Chinese Democracy July 2nd, 2014 at 8:35 pm
You actually agree..
People have to believe strongly enough in a particular religious dogma in order for it to be used as a tool to gain an objective
So religion actually is the underlying cause
Um Cara July 2nd, 2014 at 10:30 pm
*So religion actually is the underlying cause*
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In my view humans have to gather together to do much of anything, from fighting wars to just reliably making it through the cold, dark night. Religion has been a *huge* force in getting we wimpy humans to work together.
Humans do some good stuff when we gather together & we do some bad stuff. To blame the thing that unites groups of us to do stuff together, rather than blaming the folks who manipulate the group seems odd to me. I most definitely do not believe we would have had a significantly fewer number of wars if religion had never existed. Had it not existed the powerful would have manipulated some other force in order to further their objectives (some force like nationalism, for example).
So no, I don’t think we agree on this particular subject, but I suspect we (and I know you and I) do agree on lot’s of other stuff, so I *really* don’t get all that worked up about it.
fahvel July 1st, 2014 at 3:50 am
because the religious far right is a collective of terrified idiots who allow a cheap book found in sleazy motels to rule what they call their lives – they are a sad representation of a species that can walk on two feet all day long.
cjjanis July 1st, 2014 at 11:32 am
Wrong they allow selected parts that confirm their fears and hate to rule their lives. They in no way follow the true teachings of Jesus or the real meaning of the book.
Thunderhead July 1st, 2014 at 3:52 am
You’re mistaking fantasy for freedom and common sense for the liberal elite. Not surprising really.
cjjanis July 1st, 2014 at 11:38 am
This ruling was not about religious freedom. It was about extending the power of corporations over people. Now not only are corporations people, they now have the same rights to force their religious leanings on their workers. When a Muslim corporation demands the same rights, you will be the first screaming foul. Consider that the right has opened up the countries corporations for sale to the world and that many corporations you view as American are in fact not anymore.
R.J. Carter June 30th, 2014 at 10:06 pm
FYI, I’m totally cool with you using any of my tweets. 🙂
Foundryman June 30th, 2014 at 10:15 pm
I wonder how long it will be before for profit corporations are given the same tax exempt status as churches get from the SCOTUS??
William June 30th, 2014 at 10:49 pm
So the big box “craft store” that sells products made by slave labor in China, is vindicated in it’s struggle for Christian values.
Sunka July 1st, 2014 at 12:31 am
Awesome! William, you nailed this one!
Tommy6860 July 1st, 2014 at 2:50 am
Let’s not forget that Hobby Lobby had a retirement plan invested in contraception manufacturers . #Hypocites http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hobby-lobby-retirement-plan-invested-emergency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers
William June 30th, 2014 at 10:58 pm
So…lets see if I understand this. The right wing media wackos are celebrating the Supreme Courts decision that strikes a blow for the unwashed heathens and their wicked efforts to interfere with Gods natural order of human reproduction.
Robert Johnston July 1st, 2014 at 6:36 am
The response of the “hard-core” right is very understandable…if very misguided.
I daresay their “celebration” is a tad premature at best.
–RKJ
flan59 July 1st, 2014 at 8:35 am
For the umpteenth time, Stop calling them. NUT JOBS!!! This is a derogatoey phrase that implies a mental illness when these are religious extremists. Throwing arount that phrase along with whackos, loonies, etc. further stigmatizes people with serious mental illness. Stop it!!!
mea_mark July 1st, 2014 at 9:21 am
In context, Nut Jobs refers to the making of nutty decisions and thinking by people and is appropriately used here. If you feel this is not appropriate you are free to leave. No one is making you stay.
flan59 July 3rd, 2014 at 11:53 am
Again, you are referring to extreme opinions which cause inappropriate decisions. This is again using derogatory terms which imply mental illness when people with serious mental illness – through no fault of their own – do not deserve such derision, but our compassion.
To claim you are a liberal, but say – then leave – due to my dislike of your use of the derogatory term Nut Job is not a very liberal position.
flan59 July 3rd, 2014 at 11:59 am
And as ChrisVosburg above so eloquently put it – “Make me leave!!!”
flan59 July 3rd, 2014 at 8:59 pm
religious beliefs is not a mental illness http://www.atheistrev.com/2014/03/religious-belief-is-not-mental-illness.html
ChrisVosburg July 1st, 2014 at 11:25 am
flan59 writes: Stop it!!!
Make me!!!
flan59 July 3rd, 2014 at 8:59 pm
religious beliefs, not matter how extreme is not a mental illness. http://www.atheistrev.com/2014/03/religious-belief-is-not-mental-illness.html
ChrisVosburg July 4th, 2014 at 2:20 pm
Oh, lighten up, flan. Nutty and crazy and goofy and loony, and all the rest, put no stigma on those suffering from mental illness.
They are merely colloquialisms for irrational thought.
flan59 July 4th, 2014 at 10:08 pm
Tell that to my many friends who have looney, nutty and crazy children who are lanquishing in prison, lost on the streets and dead by cops and suicide. You have no idea how much they cringe when they hear these words tossed around in “jest” Making jokes of people who are sick is not something to take lightly. Using the words in the derogatory context as in this title is stigmatizing.
Btw… if goofy had been used instead this would not have been a discussion. ..it is not a synonym for mentally ill.
ChrisVosburg July 5th, 2014 at 1:33 am
flan60 writes: You have no idea how much they cringe when they hear these words tossed around in “jest” Making jokes of people who are sick is not something
Flan, if your brother were alive, he’d be the first to tell you that his problems are not about nomenclature applied to to him or others.
Greetings from Hollywood, flan, where I know more about this than you, trust me.
flan59 July 5th, 2014 at 9:25 am
Read this book and then tell me you know more about this than I…
http://www.shotintheheadbook.com
ChrisVosburg July 5th, 2014 at 9:38 am
[sigh] FON commenters will know that flan59 shows up from time to time to complain about the colloquial use of “crazy” and its synonyms, and claim that it is hurtful to the mentally ill, based upon her own experience with her schizophrenic brother, and here helpfully provides yet another link to a site where a book written by her sister can be purchased, which I find sort of offensive.
flan59 July 5th, 2014 at 10:17 am
If I were trying to promote the book, I would have brought it up at the very beginning. Your comment that you knew more than I drove me to it.
Here’s a link to a free article about my twinbrother Paul…found in the infor tab of my website where you will notice I do not ask for donations or anything. You will be redirected to the Psychiatric Services website when you click in the “Tall Paul” link on the Info tab.
Again, ask my friends who have Pauls of their own how offensive throwing around the terms whackos, nut jobs, and loonies are to them.
You sir, have no compassion
http://www.paulslegacyproject.org
ChrisVosburg July 5th, 2014 at 10:33 am
flan, I don’t need to ask “your friends” because I can simply ask my friends, some of whom suffer from varying degrees of mental illness, and all of whom find your concern trolling to be laughable, as well as your apparent belief that you are uniquely qualified to discourse on this because your brother was schizophrenic.
Really, you need to get over yourself. All I’m hearing is that it is flan59 that “cringes when these words are tossed around in jest.”
flan59 July 5th, 2014 at 11:23 am
Thank you for your sincere compassion
ChrisVosburg July 5th, 2014 at 12:23 pm
You may want to consider the possibility that having seen more of it than you have has somewhat inured me to grand displays of compassion worn on the sleeves of those who make it all about themselves.
In short, I don’t got to show you no steenking badges.
flan59 July 5th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
Well, you sure are showing me some steenking something else. My many friends of the Pauls of the world will be heartened to know you are so willing to at least consider our feelings and then throw them in the trash.
flan59 July 5th, 2014 at 5:20 pm
I suppose witnessing my twin brother’s psychotic behaviors since we were 16, visiting Paul for 20 yrs in a state mental hospital since we were 17, and then watching how the community mental health system failed him and others like him for the next 10 years provides me with no experience in this matter. And I suppose the support I have offered since his death six years ago to hundreds of family members who have children just like Paul, who have wound up in prison, himeless and dead is nothing to what you have witnessed and shared with your Hollywood buddies, so I will bow to your expertise.
Betty Clouse July 9th, 2014 at 12:56 am
Stupid is this idiot!!
ChrisVosburg July 9th, 2014 at 9:17 am
Late is the hour, closing is the pub, unforgiving is the sidewalk, comment history is telling in this one.
Elliot J. Stamler July 3rd, 2014 at 10:13 am
Religious extremism/fanaticism…as opposed to religious piety and spirituality…IS a mental illness. Sane people who are not delusional do not believe that the earth was created in 7 24-hr days; that evolution is a satanic hoax dreamed up in the pits of hell by the devil (Rep. Paul Broun of Ga.), that sexual relations is entirely illegitimate and evil if not for at least the possibility of procreation,
flan59 July 3rd, 2014 at 11:56 am
When large groups of people are indoctrinated over thousands of years to believe something like this – it is not a mental illness. It is misguided, yes, but not a mental illness. While some people within these groups may, through no fault of their own, have a mental illness, they deserve our compassion, not derision.
My brother, and the other 3 million people with schizophrenia do not deserve to be subjected to the use of the terms whackos, and nutjobs – and that is exactly what happens when those terms are used interchangeably with the term extremists.
flan59 July 3rd, 2014 at 8:58 pm
http://www.atheistrev.com/2014/03/religious-belief-is-not-mental-illness.html
Betty Clouse July 9th, 2014 at 12:55 am
you are the one that mental ill and you will get yours really soon I hope!!
ChrisVosburg July 1st, 2014 at 11:35 am
Man, don’t these people ever have sex for, you know, fun?
Chinese Democracy July 3rd, 2014 at 2:16 am
Leave it to George Takei to provide devastatingly brilliant, spot-on commentary on this subject.
HOBBY LOBBY AIN’T A CHURCH, IT’S A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS.
“The ruling elevates the rights of a FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION over those of its women employees and opens the door to all manner of claims that a company can refuse services based on its owner’s religion. Once the law starts permitting exceptions based on ‘sincerely held religious beliefs’ there’s no end to the mischief and discrimination that will ensue.Indeed, this is the same logic that certain restaurants and hotels have been trying to deploy to allow proprietors to refuse service to gay couples.
The American way is to keep one’s beliefs “out of other people’s business — and bedrooms. People of good conscience should boycott Hobby Lobby and any other business that chooses to impose its religious beliefs on its employees.”
“The only way such companies ever learn to treat people with decency and tolerance is to hit them where it counts — in their pocketbooks,”
Entire piece here http://goo.gl/gU3WgX
Betty Clouse July 9th, 2014 at 12:53 am
Bullcrap you Chinese idiot!!
Chinese Democracy July 9th, 2014 at 1:36 am
Ive a feeling you would be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle