Open Carry Group Inadvertently Backs Moms Group: Do Not Carry Long Guns Into Stores (Images)
When an extremist group such as Ohio Carry inadvertently admits to agreeing with Moms Demand Action, the gun sense group, then perhaps they should read their own words. As reported here yesterday, to counter the Moms gun sense group gathering at Kroger headquarters, Ohio Carry is calling on gun owners to go to all Kroger stores nationwide with their guns — but without their long guns, and instead conceal their weapons.
[su_center_ad]The group states:
But once again, we are learning from our mistakes. We are asking that people either conceal or keep it to handguns only! We don’t want this to even be about guns; we want to show Kroger support for standing by their beliefs and not backing down to bullies, and we want to do that in a way that causes them no PR harm as well. Starbucks was a learning point, and we would be remiss not to learn from the past.
The leader of the event in which gun owners are called upon to pile into Kroger stores with their weapons on the same day, Brett, wrote an opinion piece in July stating, “Some people ask why it is necessary to open carry when you can conceal. While concealed carry is a great way to carry (and I do so sometime), there are still many benefits to open carrying. One might be a comfort issue. Some guns cannot be concealed and must be carried openly in a holster. I carry a Springfield XD Tactical .45 with a 5-inch barrel. Can I conceal it? Sure, but is it very comfortable? Not at all.”
So it’s not about protection. It’s about his own personal comfort while the public feels uncomfortable with his military-style presence.
We don’t want Open Carriers feeling unsafe in Kroger now, do we?
Brett adds, “Another pro is that it does not require a license. While you are going through the process of getting your CHL, you could be open carrying in the meantime.”
You see Brett, right there we have a problem. If there is no license required and we don’t know you or who your friends are, then how are we to determine who the ‘good guy with a gun’ is? Especially without a license.
But thank you for admitting that carrying long guns in Kroger is completely ‘against our policies and beliefs.” We agree on that, as do Moms Demand Action.
I did not use Brett’s last name. I would hate for him to be harassed by Open Carriers who disagree with his freely admitted stance, which is in opposition to other groups.
That’s right, Kroger. Don’t cave in to the zealots. End Open Carry in family friendly establishments or risk more bad behavior.
Brett asserts on Twitter in a conversation with me that his group contains “every denomination, race, and creed as members.”
Pictures tell another story
This won’t be Brett’s first time confronting a protest for gun sense while openly carrying firearms.
Don’t all races wear “Don’t tread on me” t-shirts?
Brett’s diverse group which isn’t diverse at all.
How Ohio Carry spends a religious holiday.
The best and brightest have Ohio Carry’s back:
I did communicate with Brett via email before publishing this post. If he has anything he would like to say on behalf of his group, I’d be happy to add it.
Big hugs to my friend out there for her awesomeness.
All images were circulated via social media, thereby making them fair use. [su_csky_ad]
tiredoftea October 27th, 2014 at 2:07 pm
It’s hard to believe that Harry and Lloyd could have so many children.
R.J. Carter October 27th, 2014 at 2:09 pm
“Don’t all races wear “Don’t tread on me” t-shirts?”
Actually, some prefer the hats.
http://www.chicagonow.com/4star-explorer/files/2012/11/Dont-Tread-On-Me-624×409.jpg
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 2:11 pm
Actually, my officially licensed ‘Don’t Tread On Me’ gear is a t-shirt.
And of course, I am referring to the Teaparty, not the government.
R.J. Carter October 27th, 2014 at 2:13 pm
Can’t it apply to both?
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 2:21 pm
when TeaParty objectives are legislated into law,
you betcha….
R.J. Carter October 27th, 2014 at 2:21 pm
It’s all part of our secret conspiracy to take over the government and then leave you alone.
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 2:22 pm
suits me.. just keep your government hands off my Medicare,, or something like that..
R.J. Carter October 27th, 2014 at 2:13 pm
…or just carry a flag.
http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/dsc02847jpg.jpeg
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
That’s really rare though.
mea_mark October 27th, 2014 at 6:25 pm
He was holding the flag for the lady pushing him around. The things we have to do …
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 6:29 pm
Such a gentleman!
ChrisVosburg October 28th, 2014 at 2:29 am
Wow, is that Kenneth Gladney, that poor fella who was crippled by the brutal attack on him by union thugs? Hope his years of tortuous physical therapy returned him to a full and productive life.
Ol Blue October 27th, 2014 at 2:14 pm
Try to keep it in your pants boys.
Pistol-Packing October 27th, 2014 at 2:28 pm
I dont see the point in the headline ??? “Open Carry Group Inadvertently Backs Moms Group: Do Not Carry Long Guns Into Stores ”
I dont see it as backing “Moms”, because moms want ALL guns banned. I personally see it as they want to offer support to Krogers, while not giving the MOMS any opportunity for false PR. Contrary to popular belief, MOMS have a tendency to lie and be not truthful in many things they attempt to present.
MOMS has no intention of dialogue to find any common ground. In matter of fact, if you make a comment of anything in the contrary to something that is said or posted, you are immediately banned. So I can see how this group would not want to give MOMS any opportunity.
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
No, they do not want an all out ban of firearms.
Pistol-Packing October 27th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
When it comes to carrying in public. yes they do. Whether concealed or Open Carry.
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 2:58 pm
Concealed doesn’t bother me. Open Carry does.
Pistol-Packing October 27th, 2014 at 3:09 pm
You know through our conversations I dont support Open Carry in certain environments. But I also dont object to it where it is appropriate either.
But carrying a AR-15 across your back, while shopping in downtown Dallas, is not one of them.
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 3:18 pm
On an aside: How have you been? Haven’t seen you around for awhile.
Pistol-Packing October 27th, 2014 at 3:24 pm
took a break for a while. Been dealing with a lot of issues at home that have not been going well. And work has really sucked the past few months. Really thinking I need some life changes…
How about you? Did you ever squirt the cat ??
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
Ha! Yes, I got the squirt gun thingy your recommended. I Open Carry it around my house. But now my BFF started feeding the cat so I’m toast.
I hope this isn’t my last post. This cat wants me dead.
I only wish the best for you. I hope your IRL stuff goes well. Your wife is gorgeous by the way.
Pistol-Packing October 28th, 2014 at 8:37 am
Before you know it, the cat will be eating out of your hands, and keeping your lap warm on cold winter nights…. =)
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 9:34 pm
why do you need a gun in a grocery store, afraid of broccolli?
Pistol-Packing October 28th, 2014 at 8:36 am
HELLLL YEAH !!!!! Have you seen how the Banana’s are acting now a day’s….
Matt Willoughby October 27th, 2014 at 4:52 pm
Do you speak for MDA? Most likely no. MDA wants the carry of ALL guns banned.
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
So you’re saying that you speak for them then? Most likely no.
Matt Willoughby October 28th, 2014 at 12:55 pm
As a member of Ohio Carry? Yes I do.
Anomaly 100 October 28th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
I’m not a member of Ohio Carry or Moms Demand and you guys have a big problem and it’s not just the optics, but that, too.
Matt Willoughby October 28th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
Feel free to go to out FB Page & share your thoughts. We openly welcome those that want to engage in an intelligent conversation about the 2nd Amendment in all its forms. Joining our FB Page is open. Simply click join or like, and express your thoughts.
But by all means, please elaborate on what the problem is.
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
nothing at the MDA website indicates they want to ban ALL carry. spreading misinformation does nothing but call your credibility into question.
Matt Willoughby October 28th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
Feel free to visit MDA’s FB page, and see if their message matches the propaganda they sell their followers.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 9:34 pm
you lie dikless wonder
Kim D Campbell October 27th, 2014 at 10:05 pm
Curious – just what is “dikless”? …autocorrect turned off?
Matt Willoughby October 28th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
Ok… intelligent conversation with Tracy… not gonna happen. Got it.
whatthe46 October 27th, 2014 at 9:07 pm
bothers me. just because you can conceal it doesn’t mean you’re right in the head. besides, remember the cop in mc donalds whose son reached in his pocket and it went off? what’s the point in a grocery store or restaurant?
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 9:33 pm
why do you need a dik substitute
Pistol-Packing October 28th, 2014 at 8:42 am
Why yes, I do…. Think I will try Black this time around…
ChrisVosburg October 27th, 2014 at 3:46 pm
PP wonders why: if you make a comment of anything in the contrary to something that is said or posted, you are immediately banned
Perhaps you grossly mischaracterized their position as “wanting all guns banned” and when patiently corrected, instead of apologizing, you backpedaled to mischaracterizing it as “when it comes to carrying in public, they do,” and they decided to ban you because you were being dishonest and rude.
By the way, you got PP on yer handle there. 🙂
Pistol-Packing October 27th, 2014 at 4:02 pm
no Back Pedaling.. practical experience with them. They cant come out right and say what the want. So they have to do it in other ways. And yes, I have been Banned from them, because I disagreed with their position on something.
Reading my own comment, I see how I wrote something wrong. It s not that they want all guns Banned, they want all guns in public banned. Concealed or Open.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 9:33 pm
nope, just dikless big mouthed lies
ChrisVosburg October 28th, 2014 at 12:00 am
PP writes: Reading my own comment, I see how I wrote something wrong.
…validating my perception that you are a man of some grace, and welcome, old friend. Sorry about the personal stuff you’re enduring of late, and hope it can be sorted, but in any case, good to see you.
Pistol-Packing October 28th, 2014 at 8:30 am
thanks you sir… How have you been ?
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 9:32 pm
rotflmao…all you dikless gun nuts lie
Obewon October 27th, 2014 at 2:56 pm
Another great tea clown campaign shoots itself in the foot!
Next-up: Open Carry headshot! Gun Paranoid accidentally shoots self as bullet ricochets off of store victim. Running List of 2014 Walmart Shootings Incidents. http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/p/running-list-of-2014-walmart-shootings.html Thank you for shooting at Wal*Mart.
Kim D Campbell October 28th, 2014 at 5:47 pm
Sorry if I find it difficult to take the above link seriously… The VERY FIRST “news item” (or whatever you call it) has the headline: “Ohio man…” and then the intro says it happened in Chillicothe OH. Of course, it was a MISSOURI man (from Wheeling, actually) and the shooting happened in Chillicothe MISSOURI. You’ll forgive me if I discount all the rest of it as rather incoherent ramblings.
Obewon October 28th, 2014 at 7:07 pm
Sorry that you’re too dim to click on the linked articles debunking you as grossly uninformed e.g. [For a listing of the 83 different 2013 shooting incidents, go HERE. http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/p/running-list-of-2013-walmart-shooting.html For a listing of WalMart’s 53 different 2012 shooting incidents, go HERE http://newtrajectory.blogspot.com/2012/09/walmart-shootings.html (That number was surpassed in October of 2013.)]
1. So far in 2014, non-shooting incidents have included WalMart’s 51 armed robberies with guns, 11 incidents of guns and ammo stolen, and other crimes. http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/
2. Only 3 shootings were ruled as legitimate self defense (other than law enforcement).
3. Walmart employees were the shooter in 1 incident and a victim in 12 incidents.
4. 8 incidents were by people with legal conceal carry permits or legally carried openly.
5. So far in 2014 WalMart shootings have included: –>63 shootings, 9 dead, 30 injured<– ~Woo-Hoo~! Thank you for getting shot dead for Walmart! "8/27/14 — Man shot and killed at Dallas Walmart gas station; officer kills suspect — two dead " ABC Video http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/dallas-county/2014/08/27/north-dallas-shootings-fatal-homicide-two-dead-dennys-walmart/14669433/
Kim D Campbell October 29th, 2014 at 8:23 am
This is what we run into when folks don’t read. As I said, the very first blog posting got the state of residence the shooter and location of the shooting wrong. Gee, how would I know that? Why, I did exactly what you suggested – I clicked through on the linked news article. So I’m sorry if I’m not going to bother taking the time to verify – or debunk – the rest of your “statistics.”
I’m not sure what your point is about the Michigan mailing service address for OFCC is.
Obewon October 29th, 2014 at 10:16 am
Proving WalMart shootings & deaths via the cited linked original linked news reports was easy : 5. So far in 2014 WalMart shootings have included: –>63 shootings, 9 dead, 30 injured<– ~Woo-Hoo~! Thank you for getting shot dead for Walmart! "8/27/14 — Man shot and killed at Dallas Walmart gas station; officer kills suspect — two dead " ABC Video http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/dallas-county/2014/08/27/north-dallas-shootings-fatal-homicide-two-dead-dennys-walmart/14669433/ Proving that you're a debunked delusional was even easier.
Kim D Campbell October 29th, 2014 at 10:59 pm
And yet you still have not established why we should lend any credence to a web site that seems unable to get even the simplest facts right.
Oh – and your ad hominem attacks? They need some work. But hey – you’re tryin’, and I like that!
Obewon October 29th, 2014 at 11:03 pm
We already established that your faux strawman was debunked by ABC, et al linked proving 3 years of WalMart Gun Murders! Thanks for proving once again only the dim & diagnosed delusional’s vote GOP today. Good luck with your address Nazi schtik.
Kim D Campbell October 30th, 2014 at 7:45 am
“faux strawman”?
“address Nazi schtik”?
Okey-dokey.
bpollen October 27th, 2014 at 3:19 pm
“We don’t want this to even be about guns…”
Perhaps I’m slow (my wife frequently says so,) but if it’s not about guns, why do you want people to go to Krogers armed? I bet you don’t want it to be about nudity either, so…
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 4:13 pm
Should probably finish the rest of the statement, but since you didn’t, I’ll finish it for you.
From Brett on Ohio Carry’s FB Page: “The Kroger Support Day is not about guns. We do not want it to be about guns. We want it to be about showing support to a business who is standing up to bullies and refusing to back down from their intimidation tactics.”
For the slow people in the room, we are supporting a privately run business’s right to choose how they wish to make their own choices and policies, and no feel forced into a political arena. Personally, you all should applaud them for choosing to stay out of it. But that’s coming from an independent Pro-Constitutional, not a conservative or a liberal.
bpollen October 31st, 2014 at 7:07 am
“For the slow people in the room, we are supporting a privately run business’s right to choose how they wish to make their own choices and policies, and no feel forced into a political arena.”
So, you have a problem with the free market? With freedom of speech of those who disagree with you or Kroger? If you are against businesses feeling forced into the political arena, why the concerted effort to force Kroger customers to deal with people armed and with indeterminate intent or stability in order to get a loaf of bread? Why is carrying weapons a more righteous expression of First Amendment rights than expressing displeasure of the militarization of Kroger, or Piggly Wiggly, or K-mart? Explain it to those of us who are just too slow to see why your rights trump anybody else’s…
OldLefty October 31st, 2014 at 7:22 am
And we should equally support the rights of private patrons (even those in eateries) to leave the premise, (even if they have eaten and not yet paid or have frozen food in their cart), because they see a high risk of great danger, and it is reasonable to get themselves and their families out quickly.
It has nothing to do with the free market or the Constitution.
It has EVERYTHING to do with an industry having a stranglehold on a bought and paid for government.
Eric October 27th, 2014 at 4:43 pm
I’ll make you a deal…if you can tell me with certainty when and where violent crime (robbery, rape, etc.) that might put my family in danger will happen, then I will ONLY carry at those times in those locations…I will leave my sidearm at home the rest of the time.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 9:31 pm
stop being such a p**sy
Eric October 28th, 2014 at 8:42 am
Wow Tracey marie…such a well thought out and intelligent rebuttal. I’m in awe…. you’ve got me convinced. I gotta’ say Anomaly, you really bring out the best of the best to argue your case with your articles…lol
tracey marie October 28th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
it is aimed at your intellectual level.
Eric October 28th, 2014 at 4:00 pm
Well I’m glad to see that you are concerned enough to reach for the stars and talk above your normal level in order to attempt to insult a neanderthal like me. Just keep practicing your critical thinking skills…you’ll get there some day. Fortunately for us, you are the typical liberal. We don’t need to try to make you look bad…your words speak for themselves 🙂
tracey marie October 28th, 2014 at 5:04 pm
low level teabagger
Eric October 28th, 2014 at 8:05 pm
I guess that would make you the teabagee, eh?
Joseph Butts October 27th, 2014 at 4:57 pm
“We are asking that people either conceal or keep it to handguns only! We don’t want this to even be about guns; we want to show Kroger support for standing by their beliefs and not backing down to bullies”
Actual quote from open carry
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 9:31 pm
rotflmao…the same dikless wonders who carried and said fk u
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 3:41 pm
Actually Joseph, it’s Ohio Carry not Open Carry, and yes there is a difference.
Matt Willoughby October 27th, 2014 at 4:57 pm
This article got part of something right. We are asking our supporters and members not to bring long guns to the demonstration. That is hardly supporting Moms Demand Action.
We support the Constitutional Rights of all law abiding citizens. Including the 2nd Amendment. However, in this instance we are asking them not to bring long guns to the demonstration… very differect than badgering a company into stifling someone’s Constitutional Rights.
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
Being prevented from carrying a gun in Target is no different than being prevented from driving down the street at 3am in the morning using a bullhorn to declare your support for a political candidate.
The former does not stifle your 2nd amendment rights, and the latter does not stifle your 1st amendment rights.
And I happen to be a gun owner, so put your misconceptions right back where you found them.
Kim D Campbell October 27th, 2014 at 7:03 pm
Actually, yeah, there is a difference. In the case of the 3am bullhorn you are obviously disturbing peace and tranquility. In the case of carrying a long gun in Target/Kroger/wherever, you are doing no such thing.
Oh, and I happen to be a guy that’s never open carried a long gun, and seldom open carries my hand gun, so to quote you: “…put your misconceptions right back where you found them.”
Matt Willoughby October 27th, 2014 at 8:45 pm
Thanks Kim. You said it so I don’t have too.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
both of you dikless wonders are fondling your guns as you type one handed
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
my trasnquility is disturbed seeing you dikless wonders attempting to intimidate everyone else around you
Kim D Campbell October 27th, 2014 at 10:02 pm
Wow. You certainly put me in my place.
fahvel October 28th, 2014 at 4:28 am
she did!!!! You try to side step but being dickless you do it rather awkwardly.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 9:29 pm
lol, why do you need a gun to feel like a man?
fahvel October 28th, 2014 at 4:26 am
you will get no response.
whatthe46 October 28th, 2014 at 5:01 am
yep. its already been 8 hrs. lol.
tracey marie October 28th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
because it is not a man but a child
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 9:47 am
I don’t need a firearm to feel like a man, but I do carry one to protect my children.
tracey marie October 29th, 2014 at 1:10 pm
no you do not
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
Tracey, how you choose to be a parent to your children is one thing, but please do not presume that you know how to be a parent to mine.
You decide what best for your family in the part of the world where you live, and I will do the same for mine. Thanks.
tracey marie October 29th, 2014 at 2:05 pm
a gun around children is a bad parenting skill, period
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 2:17 pm
Only to the uneducated or unsafe. My step daughter (8) and my oldest son (12) have both had a gun safety course designed for children. And my firearms stay locked up and out of their reach… at all times. You know what they say about opinions Tracey. In case, I will refer you back to my previous comment.
tracey marie October 29th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
lol, no, period.
Gun toting cracker October 27th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
I just went through the entire Ohio Revised Code. Nowhere does it say anything about informing any liberal reporter(s) that you have to inform him (them) whether or not any of Brett’s friends have licenses, (permits).
OR is there any requirement to even inform LEO if your open carrying .
Bad guys with guns are usually shooting at you after they ask for a cash donation.
whatthe46 October 27th, 2014 at 9:03 pm
yeah, the kids at sandy hook were loaded with cash.
William October 27th, 2014 at 6:40 pm
Nice photos.
mcalleyboy October 27th, 2014 at 9:19 pm
Rifles are for protesting only, nobody wants to carry their rifle in the stores, these guys aren’t wacko’s. If your gonna carry concealed make sure your licensed and this is the preferred way to shop for sausages, let the extremists hide under the table or flee out the back or stand at attention with nothing to defend themselves with, they love to talk, let them talk their way out of that situation… good luck, I’ll be in the meat section.
Anomaly 100 October 28th, 2014 at 6:29 am
Uhmm,.. we don’t hide under tables while shopping for groceries. — wait for it — we just shop for groceries.
No fear.
mcalleyboy October 28th, 2014 at 6:45 am
The grocery store is just one stop there’s other places, trouble is that some stores don’t want guns in them so then they carry concealed weapons owner has to leave his gun in the car. I don’t feel that most carry concealed owners will ever need to use their guns but the option is there if needed.
Anomaly 100 October 28th, 2014 at 7:30 am
He’s suggesting the rest of us live in fear because we don’t Open Carry. I mean, come on. I do not fear the veggies while strolling down the produce aisle.
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 10:28 am
He didn’t suggest you live in fear because because you don’t open carry.
He is suggesting that you be prepared.
William first mentioned living in fear. Don’t twist something into what it isn’t. Just have a conversation.
ChrisVosburg October 28th, 2014 at 10:36 am
mcalleyboy writes: I don’t feel that most carry concealed owners will ever need to use their guns but the option is there if needed.
True dat, mostly they just crap on and on about how much of a hero they’d be if a mustache-twirling villain threatened to foreclose on the widow, or rob the bank.
William October 28th, 2014 at 9:01 am
So…..? Just how many firefights have you been in while shopping for pez refills at the piggly wiggly?
mcalleyboy October 28th, 2014 at 9:21 am
LOL…your familiar with Piggly Wiggly….interesting, I’m retired Navy and was originally from ND. Never been in any situation with my weapon, I had it strapped for 2 years and then moved overseas, I can’t carry here, sure wish I could, and why not say…. why should I carry full coverage on my car, I don’t think I’ll ever get into an accident and yet most people don’t use that same logic on protecting their life. They still sell Pez? I’m missing out, they don’t have that here.
William October 28th, 2014 at 10:47 am
I am retired Navy as well, right after I became a cop. Although I can carry concealed I don’t. I also don’t carry snakebite kits, nerve agent antidotes, a gas mask or ipecac.
I simply refuse to live in fear.
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 10:48 am
So I’m allergic to bee stings. Even though I haven’t been stung in 5yrs, are you suggesting that I stop carrying my Epi-pen kit with me. Or my step daughter’s rescue inhaler for her asthma? It’s not about living in fear, but rather being prepared.
I remain vigilant of my surroundings so I don’t get stung by bees. I do my best to not put myself in a situation that I could get stung, but I also come prepared incase the inevitable happens. It’s not fear, it’s preparation.
fahvel October 28th, 2014 at 4:25 am
how could any mother wish to give birth to something like these sub species crud? They all seem to be poured from the same leaky mold of defecation.
whatthe46 October 28th, 2014 at 5:03 am
if you think too hard about it, you’ll never get rid of that migrane.
craig7120 October 28th, 2014 at 9:08 am
What do we want? Gun rights?
When do we want them? Already!
Matt Willoughby October 28th, 2014 at 1:46 pm
Lol. Craig.