Two N.Y. Officers May Have Been Killed Over Chokehold Death
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Carolina Trucker December 21st, 2014 at 10:05 am
Two cops may have been killed over racist rhetoric. The choke hold was wrong. But racist? How?
Ron Luce December 21st, 2014 at 11:03 am
>> Two cops may have been killed over racist rhetoric.
Where they killed over racist rhetoric or in response to racial injustice?
Doesn’t it soft-sell racism when you demote it to simple “rhetoric”?
It’s not specifically the choke-hold that was racist. It’s the fact that young black men are being killed by cops and the cops aren’t even getting indicted.
That’s the racism that is sending people into the streets. And, in this case, setting-off what is probably a crazy person.
granpa.usthai December 21st, 2014 at 1:11 pm
with the number of ‘unregulated self militias’ roaming the country – don’t doubt it’ll happen more and more. (ref: Atlanta, GA in early 1980’s. Unfortunately, like in the 1960’s/1970’s Vietnam ‘conflict’ the enemy knows who the protectors are as they are well identified to instill the ‘feeling’ of safety within the population. ID’ing the ‘unregulated self militias’ when the are among the population is nigh on impossible.
Carolina Trucker December 21st, 2014 at 6:59 pm
I feel that that the Eric Garner case was an act of Police Brutality and macho-ism (taking down the big guy) my feelings align with those of his own family btw. The Ferguson MO. Case was clearly a large strong black 18 year old man trying to strip an officer of his weapon. 6 black eye witnesses confirmed the officer’s account and the officer suffered a fractured eye socket. Blacks also served on the Grand Jury. With the Eric Garner case, I am baffled as to why the officer was not charged with negligent manslaughter. In both of these cases had the suspect been white, Asian, or any other race, it probably would have went down the same.
tracey marie December 21st, 2014 at 8:16 pm
you are repeating the lies and innuendo about Micheal as the rest of the teabaggs. No gun was stripped or attempted to be stripped, The”large strong” black kid was the same size as the large strong white cop with a gun.There was NO fractured eye socket, another teabagg lie.
Carolina Trucker December 22nd, 2014 at 5:45 am
So you were there and saw it all go down? Why didn’t YOU give an account that refuted the cop and the accounts of other witnesses? “Tea bag lies”… lol Sharpton is the one who always is proven to be wrong
rg9rts December 22nd, 2014 at 3:45 am
So you concur with the DA’s approach of letting witnesses lie while testifying…
uzza December 21st, 2014 at 10:10 am
Bratton’s wrong, these killings are definitely linked to terrorism. They were the inevitable and predictable result of the police terrorizing American citizens more and more every year.
William December 21st, 2014 at 1:26 pm
This leftist movement has taken it’s first fledgling steps of being a terrorist movement.
Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha.
Says the Fox-fed sheep whose puppeteers call individuals who point loaded weapons at uniformed officers PATRIOTS.
raincheck December 22nd, 2014 at 7:35 am
And STILL not a single arrest from the ‘Bundy incident’!!!
OldLefty December 21st, 2014 at 1:36 pm
This leftist movement has taken it’s first fledgling steps..
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What “leftist” movement?
Like the leftists who spawned Jerad and Amanda Miller?
It is my contention that you guys don’t know what these words mean.
You ARE the same people who called Eisenhower a communist.
William_Teach December 21st, 2014 at 10:13 am
“May have”? There’s no doubt about it, Alan. People were in the streets calling for the killing of police officers in NYC. Farrakhan called for the death of police officers. Many other liberals did, as well. The blood is on their hands.
mea_mark December 21st, 2014 at 10:26 am
So the police officers that kill civilians have no blood on their hands? When justice shows favoritism, it is not justice. Without justice in the community there are going to be problems. Justice needs to be applied to all. That is what the people want. The people don’t want to see cops gunned down and assassinated. Justice for all should be a simple concept that we all live under.
Red Eye Robot December 21st, 2014 at 1:26 pm
yes they did want to see cops killed.
“One 30-year-old local who gave his first name only as Carlos, didn’t hear the fatal gunfire but saw the hysteria aftewards and walked to the police tape.
“A lot of people were clapping and laughing,” he said.
“Some were saying, ‘They deserved it,’ and another was shouting at the cops, ‘Serves them right because you mistreat people!’” he said.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/20/sick-cheers-for-cop-killer-in-brooklyn.html
Red Mann December 21st, 2014 at 6:06 pm
So I guess we should judge the entire right wing by the behavior of the handful of dolts demonstrating in DC who talked, happily, about lynching Obama and blacks in general. I can assure you that the level of insane hatred is powers of ten higher on the right than the left. Go to any RW site on the web and read the disgusting hatred from their commenters. I challenge you to find anything equivalent on a left leaning site.
Red Eye Robot December 23rd, 2014 at 1:22 pm
Teaparty rallies don’t result in riots. Google protest turns violent and see what you get. Your non violent protest movement has thousands of victims, millions in property damage. cities burned riots and now 2 dead cops
OldLefty December 23rd, 2014 at 1:37 pm
The difference is young people, and right wing militias don’t rally.
Meanwhile look at the 100’s of thousands of lefties who protested Bush.
As for 2 dead cops… lots victims of cops as well.
One does not justify the other.
OldLefty December 21st, 2014 at 10:31 am
Alan. People were in the streets calling for the killing of police officers in NYC.
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All 12 of them.
As opposed to , Jerad and Amanda Miller, Eric Frein, “2nd amendment remedies” and Richard Poplawski and Byron Williams going after the Tides Foundation because of Glenn Beck?
Spare us the phony outrage.
R.J. Carter December 22nd, 2014 at 9:40 am
Jerad and Amanda Miller were 2nd Amendment remedy people — who were part of Occupy.
OldLefty December 23rd, 2014 at 7:17 am
Yeah, They are part of the “Million Mask March”; right wing anarchists who vow to overthrow the government.
So what?
I thought your opponents were left wing advocates of Big Government.
tracey marie December 23rd, 2014 at 7:38 am
lol, still pushing that lie. The march was NOT occupy
Ron Luce December 21st, 2014 at 10:59 am
> Many other liberals did, as well. The blood is on their hands.
I’m a liberal and listen to a fair amount of liberal radio.
I did not hear one single liberal call for the killing of police officers anywhere.
Not once.
(Probably, someone, somewhere said it. You didn’t give any quotes.)
I heard lots of calls for a trial for the officers in these recent cases.
And, as a liberal I think there should be a trial for whoever shot these police officers.
We liberals tend to be consistent, that way.
rg9rts December 22nd, 2014 at 3:45 am
FAUX him
William December 21st, 2014 at 11:49 am
” Many other liberals did, as well “.
Would you be so kind as to provide a reference, link or some sort of list of “liberals” and their call for the death of police officers?
Thanx in advance.
Red Eye Robot December 21st, 2014 at 12:28 pm
Here are about 1000 of them chanting “What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want it? NOW!? http://youtu.be/dj4ARsxrZh8 Remember how the left has portrayed the teaparty as racist on the basis of a few people with placards at a smattering of rallies? Well using your own standard of proof, this entire protest movement is guilty of inciting violence against police. Incidents like this video are happening at every rally and protest. Police officers have been systematically targeted and attacked. Due to the nature of this movement and it’s instigators, the death of these two officers was inevitable. The left has created this Frankensteins monster and now it’s out of control. More will die before this ends.
arc99 December 21st, 2014 at 12:37 pm
so the die is cast, using the standard of proof you choose to indict the left, we must conclude that based on the words of just a few people, all right wingers are murderous racists out to assassinate the President .
granpa.usthai December 21st, 2014 at 12:57 pm
not only do they constantly call for the LYNCHING of OUR President, to these animalistic ARMED WHITE RACIST TERRORIST, we and our nation (USA) don’t even exist.
Red Mann December 21st, 2014 at 5:57 pm
Indeed there is quite a lot of evidence that a significant portion of rightwingers actually support that notion. See the comments on most any RW site for the incredible level of hatred from the right.
granpa.usthai December 21st, 2014 at 12:54 pm
didn’t see Officer ‘GO FUCK YOURSELF’ in the crowd – would you mind pointing him out to US – the American People that he points a loaded assault weapon at with the loving remarks ” I will fucking kill you”?
William December 21st, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Yeah I’m pretty sure I was addressing the statement ” Many other liberals did, as well. The blood is on their hands.”
When and if you are able to identify the political affiliation of the people in the crowd, be sure to let me know. Until then I’m sure whatever you have to say can wait until you’re smarter.
raincheck December 22nd, 2014 at 7:15 am
“Until then I’m sure whatever you have to say can wait until you’re smarter” You may have a loooong wait.
LOL…… I’m going to have to steal that line
Red Eye Robot December 23rd, 2014 at 1:40 pm
I’m certain lots of conservatives showed up to march in Rev. Al Sharptons rally.
OldLefty December 23rd, 2014 at 2:04 pm
I’m certain lots of conservatives showed up to march in Rev. Al Sharptons rally.
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What does that have to do with anything??????
William December 23rd, 2014 at 5:03 pm
Red eye racist? You say something? Still backpeddling? Please continue.
oh…concerning your *giggle* video.
enjoy.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/mainstream-media-caught-airing-fake-kill-cop-protest-chant/
tracey marie December 21st, 2014 at 8:12 pm
more babble from the teabagg babbler
Banned_From_Breitbart December 21st, 2014 at 10:11 pm
I can’t tell what the crowd is supposed to be saying. If there isn’t video which establishes–let alone corroborates–what this rwnj troll claims his video shows, there really is no reason to respond futher. “More babble” is right.
R.J. Carter December 22nd, 2014 at 9:39 am
You can’t tell what the crowd is saying?
http://www.cvs.com/shop/personal-care/ear-care/wax-removal/debrox-earwax-removal-kit-skuid-604994
Banned_From_Breitbart December 22nd, 2014 at 11:33 am
No doubt most if not all of them were saying “JUSTICE!” which is the common chant that you’d recognize if you’d ever been near a protest march. Some may have been saying something else, but it isn’t clear due to the echoing in amongst the buildings. If some were saying what is claimed, they may have been undercover cops trying to incite the crowd; or it may be an adulterated recording. There’s no other video from another source, is there?
R.J. Carter December 22nd, 2014 at 11:45 am
Pretty sure NBC New York is using the same video. 0:15 thru 0:26 are absolutely, unequivocally, undeniably a chant of “What do we want?” “Dead Cops!” “When do we want them?” “Now!”
This is an echo of the Ferguson protests of “Who do we want?” “Darren Wilson!” “How do we want him?” “Dead!”
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Eric-Garner-Manhattan-Dead-Cops-Video-Millions-March-Protest-285805731.html
Banned_From_Breitbart December 22nd, 2014 at 2:50 pm
“Absolutely”? “Unequivocally”? Even your source qualifies their claim with the word “apparently,” and in fact there is no way to tell what is being chanted; it sounds just as much like “Justice” as anything else.
Who is the original source for this video? I’d like to know what their agenda is.
By the way, I do not stipulate that any Fegusen protestors were calling for Wilson’s death just because you assert that to be the case–and in any event, the actions of a few cannot be used to smear the many.
R.J. Carter December 22nd, 2014 at 3:56 pm
“Apparently” is one of those words used when the writer/speaker wants to distance themselves from the situation. I don’t need to. What was said was what was said,, and there’s no “apparently” to it. Deny your lying ears all you want.
And I do stipulate that Ferguson protestors were calling for Wilson’s death. It’s at the 1:00 thru 1:15 mark here, also at the 6:15 mark. http://new.livestream.com/ASN/MikeBrown/videos/64205421
As for the actions of a few being used to smear the many? This was a “mob” of few. But Katy bar the door if a conservative person gets arrested, because it’s an indictment of the whole damned system.
Banned_From_Breitbart December 24th, 2014 at 1:14 pm
My lying eyes, eh? How about your lying stylebook? Show some source to justify your claim that “apparently” is used in any way except to avoid suggesting that a fact has been unequivocally established. It’s a ridiculous premise, so “good luck.”
As for your new video’s supposedly proving your case, it is at least as inconclusive–especially the 6:15 cite; and of course it remains to be questioned as to whether some undercover cops were instigators of poor behavior–if such actually happened. I’ve often seen pictures that have been doctored showing people carrying objectionable signs. It is a familar right wing rhetorical trick to impute speech to others, which incidentally is a violation of their First Amendment right.
Edit: and by-the-way, wingers are always crying about what victims they are. No, individual actions cannot be used to explain the opinions of the many, but when instances of–say–Tea Party racism occur, they prove that racism exists within the ranks of the Tea Party; not that racism doesn’t.
tracey marie December 23rd, 2014 at 7:39 am
and the station has apologizes for brietbarted tape being pushed as real…what’s a rwnj to do
R.J. Carter December 23rd, 2014 at 10:23 am
Citation needed.
tracey marie December 23rd, 2014 at 11:20 am
try reading an article here and online, they admitted their mistake at editing and even had Tawanda on to apologize to her face.
R.J. Carter December 23rd, 2014 at 11:24 am
That’s a totally different story: “We won’t stop/ We can’t stop/ So kill a cop.”
I know, it’s easy to mix them up with so many protests calling for cop deaths.
tracey marie December 23rd, 2014 at 11:30 am
there were not “so many protests ” calling for cops death. Stop lying, you are better then that…I thought
R.J. Carter December 23rd, 2014 at 11:32 am
Do you want me to enumerate them, with citations? Because you know I can do that. I’ve done it to you before.
tracey marie December 23rd, 2014 at 11:35 am
please, I am no longer interested in talking to you. You degenerate into lying and denial. never again will I address you
R.J. Carter December 23rd, 2014 at 11:46 am
Santa got my letter.
rg9rts December 22nd, 2014 at 3:43 am
Hey Moron your brother posted above you….what a coincidence….his name is moron too.
whatthe46 December 22nd, 2014 at 5:48 am
lol
granpa.usthai December 21st, 2014 at 12:51 pm
Liberals accept NO responsibility for the deaths of the two officers in
Las Vegas, Nevada by the ARMED white racist that opted to walk away from Bundy’s Bunker at their own leisure and time of choosing. People should expect such actions as these animalistic WHITE ARMED THUGS are against The United States of America and have repeatedly called for the death of OUR President.
Banned_From_Breitbart December 21st, 2014 at 4:14 pm
Farrakhan, whatever he did or did not say–and I’m certainly not taking your word for it, is not a liberal. Most liberals don’t even believe in the death penalty, so clearly you are full of beans.
Red Mann December 21st, 2014 at 5:54 pm
So the dreaded “liberal media” has been calling for the cops deaths? Do the liberals have dozens of outlets that mimic Faux “News”, Limbaugh, Breitbart, WND, NRO, American Thinker, Barbwire, AFA, FRC and hundreds of others actively spewing lies and deceit 24/7/365?
tracey marie December 21st, 2014 at 8:11 pm
brietbart is calling you back
rg9rts December 22nd, 2014 at 3:41 am
pitty pum tag
fancypants December 22nd, 2014 at 3:29 am
it never ceases to amaze me how a group of cops cant take the arms of one man and arrest him instead of ONE going for the choke / death hold while the rest stand and watch but you go ahead and convict people ( liberals ) you have never met.
did your mother have any kids that survived ?
rg9rts December 22nd, 2014 at 3:41 am
MORON
whatthe46 December 22nd, 2014 at 5:47 am
MORON? you’re being nice.
rg9rts December 22nd, 2014 at 7:44 am
He responds to that and would think I stopped caring if I didn’t call him that
Ron Luce December 21st, 2014 at 11:15 am
Let me speak for what I believe are the vast majority of liberals:
We condemn this horrible tragedy. Our condolences go out to the families and friends of these officers.
We are grieved that this happened and we hope it will never happen again. (We believe gun control might have prevented this from happening but that is a whole other argument.) It happened in a context of racism but in no way does that mean we justify it.
We hope all killers are caught, put on trial and punished if proven guilty.
That’s how the justice system is supposed to work — for whites and for blacks.
Not just for whites.
(But you won’t hear what we believe in the conservative media. Conservative talk hosts will twist our words, quote people who don’t represent us and argue against a liberal straw man who is nothing like us.)
Banned_From_Breitbart December 21st, 2014 at 2:08 pm
Nobody should even have to say that. The fact that the rabid attack dogs of the right have made a cottage industry of skewing reality to incite irrational hatred among their cohort is what necessitates it, and I resent that.
Suzanne McFly December 21st, 2014 at 1:21 pm
If we don’t have an open and honest discussion about race, these murders (by cops and upset citizens) will continue. We need to become familiar with one another again. I am a friendly person and I say hi to people all the time. I have looked at cops to say hi and they don’t even make eye contact. If they want to walk around acting tough all day then they will never earn the respect they are demanding from the people they are paid to police.
mea_mark December 21st, 2014 at 1:51 pm
They act more like paid henchmen of the wealthy, than servants of society at large. Perhaps it’s just a function of growing inequality in America. It could be if the police want safer jobs, they are going to have to advocate for decreasing inequality and quit being tools of oppression.
Suzanne McFly December 21st, 2014 at 4:12 pm
They would have to use critical thinking to arrive to that type of logic and the fact that they are trained to follow a specific regimen is a huge part of this system malfunctioning. They are trained to kill, not maim, they are trained to react to situations where everyone is a hardened criminal, not someone who is a common citizen and that is a huge problem. We do not live in a war zone, why are they trained to react to war zone conditions?
mea_mark December 21st, 2014 at 5:39 pm
They act the way they do because that is what the people with most of the money want them to do.
Red Mann December 21st, 2014 at 5:50 pm
I’m sure that the militarization of police forces, thanks to the federal government, has contributed to their attitude, pushing the us vs. them aspects up a few notches.
Carolina Trucker December 22nd, 2014 at 6:15 am
If they laid down on the job and let criminals have their way, people would change their minds about the cops after getting beaten and robbed on a regular basis they would be begging for a cop to shoot some fu*kers
raincheck December 22nd, 2014 at 7:02 am
THANK YOU… for saying that!!! There is so much truth in it…
Carolina Trucker December 22nd, 2014 at 5:32 am
An open discussion about race? Ha. How the hell can we do that with all the hypersensitivity and political correctness?
R.J. Carter December 22nd, 2014 at 9:44 am
When my company used to have Diversity Training (they still do, I just don’t work there any longer), I took advantage of every session to start an “open and honest discussion about race.” It involves making others very uncomfortable, it involves admitting your own biases, it involves risking hurt feelings all around — but it can be done.
Suzanne McFly December 22nd, 2014 at 5:55 pm
Of course it can be done but when we acknowledge our biases, we should then work to change these negative emotions and grow as a better human.
Carolina Trucker December 21st, 2014 at 7:20 pm
I got news for everyone. THE POLICE F**K WITH WHITE CRIMINALS TOO! After all, it is their job. My advice to people of all races when confronted by the cops is to remain silent, don’t resist, and seek a lawyer.
tracey marie December 21st, 2014 at 8:18 pm
and goose step, right?
rg9rts December 22nd, 2014 at 3:39 am
If they tell you to
Carolina Trucker December 22nd, 2014 at 5:39 am
No. Just don’t resist and you will be fine.
whatthe46 December 22nd, 2014 at 5:44 am
GFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tracey marie December 22nd, 2014 at 6:06 pm
that was teabagg all the way
tracey marie December 22nd, 2014 at 1:18 pm
resists what, some paranoid delusion that you harbor in your fear?
R.J. Carter December 22nd, 2014 at 9:36 am
Along the straight line, with your index fingers alternately touching your nose.
And afterward, rather than attempting a mano-a-mano stance for your Constitutional rights against a man with a badge and a gun, you go get a friendly attorney who can go win the war after you strategically surrendered a minor battle.
Carolina Trucker December 22nd, 2014 at 9:51 am
EXACTLY! well put RJ Carter
raincheck December 22nd, 2014 at 6:58 am
Are you speaking from your own personal experience? Like the time YOU got arrested, and were F*cked with? Or because your friends and or family were arrested, and THEY got F*cked with? Or is it because you personally witnessed “WHITE CRIMINALS” getting F*cked with?… Or is it just a gut feeling? I do realize that more and more it’s happening to a particular “class” of people.. white and black. But the reality is, it happens far too often and far more often to black folks, than whites. It’s obvious, you think things are equal… What if your Constitutional rights were being violated? Would you just “roll over and take it”? My questions aren’t related to the article, just your comment….
“After all, it is their job” Really? I thought it was to maintain law and order, in a fair and lawful manner… I suppose you want to “GF my momma” too?
Carolina Trucker December 22nd, 2014 at 10:01 am
I was once held for beating a security guard. As a white man near the area I fit the description of the assailant. The cop even accused me of shaving my mustache and I never had one. Thank God the security guard got released from the hospital and identified me as NOT the one. What if he had died? I could have been falsely accused of murder. It happens to white guys too.
raincheck December 22nd, 2014 at 1:04 pm
I’m not stupid… I do realize “It happens to white guy’s too” You should realize, it is far more common in the black community. Also if you were a black man, it might have had a very different outcome.
burqa December 22nd, 2014 at 1:29 pm
White guy checking in who has been abused by po-lice.
I have also been much blessed by the po-lice out there protecting me and going after criminals before the criminals can get to me.
While I don’t dispute cops abusing their authority in black neighborhoods, let’s not forget that some of those neighborhoods have more crime and more people who resist arrest and are tougher to work in than some more white neighborhoods, too.
It’s a tough job, and the black community needs the cops as much as the rest of us. They deserve to live in safety and policing some neighborhoods is pretty damned hard.
I’m not excusing anything, but we’re talking about 2 cops who were murdered and the 2 cases people are upset about involved people resisting arrest and in one, an assault on the cop that many want hung because he defended himself. If that’s all there is to support a po-lice brutality charge, then it looks as if the system is working better than maybe we want to admit because we have preconceived notions.
One particularly egregious case where I was mistreated was resolved because I kept my cool, didn’t resist arrest, wasn’t belligerent, but went by the system and it worked, eventually after a lot of unnecessary hassles.
Had I resisted arrest, been belligerent, refused to obey lawful orders and in general acted like an ass I’m sure I’d have suffered a baton beat-down or worse.
raincheck December 22nd, 2014 at 4:08 pm
“let’s not forget that some of those neighborhoods have more crime and
more people who resist arrest and are tougher to work in than some more
white neighborhoods, too”
I still can’t help but feel that ANY neighborhood can become that way, when UN- employment is high, opportunities are scarce, and education is second rate…. violence increases. Perhaps if more opportunities were available, instead of JUST more Cops… it could be turned around
fancypants December 22nd, 2014 at 1:57 am
according to the shooters Transunion post ( now deleted ) it did say the killings were retaliation to both ferguson and nyc deaths
rg9rts December 22nd, 2014 at 3:38 am
This guy was a grade A loon…he has a rap sheet a mile long…a history of violence… and I’m positive he shot his ex girlfriend because of Garner….It was an excuse
Carolina Trucker December 22nd, 2014 at 10:03 am
He was going up for life with nothing to lose so he made a name for himself. Cops have a dangerous job
rg9rts December 22nd, 2014 at 10:07 am
Yes they do and not all are thugs
burqa December 22nd, 2014 at 1:13 pm
I hope this is an attempt at an explanation rather than a two-wrongs-make-a-right argument.
It’s just too early to tell and it looks to me as if people are plugging in their preconceived ideas to answer questions we don’t have enough information yet to answer.
But in general, we need things to simmer down, and those whipping up fear and mistrust and anger need to pipe down.
This is a time when peacemakers need to come forward.