Responsible Gun Owner’s Gun Falls Out Of Fanny Pack, Discharges Injuring 2
Just another good guy with a gun.
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Jake January 24th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
With all this death and injury caused by responsible gun-owners on a daily, if not hourly basis, perhaps what this country needs is a few more irresponsible gun-owners to protect us.
whatthe46 January 24th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
perhaps the politicans that think its ok, should shop in places that allow this b.s. and happen to be one on the wrong side of the “accident” to fire up those brain cells.
raypc800 January 24th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
In each case these people could of saved others a lot of pain,suffering and death if they had not had a bullet in the chamber. If you need to defend yourself it does not take much effort to chamber a round as you pull out the weapon. I was trained to NEVER have a bullet in the chamber of any weapon until I was going to fire said weapon.
whaddacrock January 24th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
Your training was sufficient for controlled situations like a pistol range, not so much in real life. Seconds DO count.
raypc800 January 24th, 2015 at 7:07 pm
My training is military and I was trained to observe and recognize supposed threats. If one is not aware of their surroundings and the dangers of said in a civilian situation. Then it will not matter either way. You never let an attacker get within arms length of yourself and your weapon. If you are to slow to chamber a round while drawing your weapon you had best either get more training in both observation areas and drawing a weapon or hire a professional to protect you. People that fail to observe possible threats become statistics of those that carry weapons that ended up used upon themselves.
The problem is you give some people a weapon to carry and they feel all in-powered but still scared to death. That is why they do not follow the instructions in every in every manual that comes with a weapon. Do not carry weapon with round in chamber until you are going to fire! To many innocents have died from ignorance and fear.
whaddacrock January 24th, 2015 at 7:26 pm
Have no idea where you got your “military” training…goes against everything I’ve been taught and seen. Let me ask you – do cops carry with an empty chamber? You are correct – don’t let an attacker get within arms length (actually, the latest recommendations are no less than 30′) – how are you going to know an attacker is intending to attack, regardless of the range?
Easy example – the 1911: “Condition 1 – Also known as “cocked and locked,” means a
round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the manual thumb
safety on the side of the frame is applied.” Expanding: “The mode of readiness preferred by the experts is Condition One.
Generally speaking, Condition One offers the best balance of readiness
and safety. Its biggest drawback is that it looks scary to people who
don’t understand the operation and safety features of the pistol.” To your last sentence – far more have died because they failed to carry with a round in the chamber.
raypc800 January 24th, 2015 at 7:54 pm
Please provide your documentation to confirm your response of “To your last sentence – far more have died because they failed to carry with a round in the chamber.”
raypc800 January 24th, 2015 at 7:57 pm
US Air Force 1970’s
whaddacrock January 24th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
Air Force – shoulda known….hell, you guys were still carrying S&W .38’s , all you had to to bring it into action was pull the trigger to get a round under the hammer! So, sure, you carried it with an empty chamber…
raypc800 January 24th, 2015 at 9:23 pm
You do realize that not every weapon owned by civilians is a 1911 that cocks do you not. By the way I currently have a S&W 9 mm in the owners manual it clearly states no round in the chamber.
The events are numerous in the USA of even 2 years old shooting others and or themselves not every weapon is designed like a 1911.
whaddacrock January 24th, 2015 at 9:42 pm
Geez – did you not notice that I said “Easy example” when I picked the 1911?! The only reason I picked the 1911 is because it is the one that disturbs people who see it cocked in the holster (the fact that the safety is on and the strap is between the hammer and frame isn’t obvious when holstered). Of course, not all firearms owned by civilians are 1911’s – where the hell did you get that from my post? (I might add – not all civilians own S&W 9mm’s, but I KNOW you weren’t implying that). Of course there are incidents when a minor gets hold of a firearm and someone is injured or killed – but you and I both know the blame lies with the adult that allowed that minor to access a firearm! I see now that you aren’t going to change your position, nor was I trying to do so – my whole point is that there are a great many people who believe that a gun without a round in the chamber is a club. That philosophy is certainly valid for those experienced enough and responsible enough and wish to give themselves as much an edge as possible in what could be a life or death situation.
whaddacrock January 24th, 2015 at 8:29 pm
I’m not aware of any statistics kept expressly on deaths due to carry a loaded magazine – I base that claim based on the fact that you NEVER hear of a cop losing his life due to a weapon being carried w/o a round in the chamber – sort of reverse logic. Feel free to poopoo this, but I stand by it.
bpollen January 25th, 2015 at 12:10 am
“you NEVER hear of a cop losing his life due to a weapon being carried w/o a round in the chamber”
But they DO shoot their finger off when one is in the chamber?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/13/cop-shoots-finger-gun-store_n_6463984.html
whaddacrock January 25th, 2015 at 7:26 pm
huffppo – great cite – got any credible cites? At any rate, I stand by my comments. The first – no, I’ve never heard of a cop losing his life because he didn’t carry with a round in the chamber – have you? On the one about shooting his finger off – I refuse to even steer my pc to that site – I just know I’ll get a virus or something. At any rate, even if the story is true – accidents happen – all the time – he’s only human! Hell, you ever hear about the Air Force losing an atomic bomb off a B-52 over North Carolina?? Professionals, but….shit happens!!
bpollen January 25th, 2015 at 10:17 pm
So, you refuse to even peruse the site because PARANOIA… Since you won’t even consider looking at something that might threaten your delusions, there is absolutely no point in discussing ANY subject with you. You’d just stick your fingers in your ears and go “La la la la la…” I’ll confine myself to the at least semi-rational cretin.
whaddacrock January 25th, 2015 at 10:32 pm
Thank you, sir – you have once again proven the rule that a liberal, when he has run out of arguments, will resort to ad hominem attacks and attempt to deflect the discussion. I really didn’t expect a cogent response from you and I wasn’t disappointed. You couldn’t even provide a substantive alternate source for your “story”. Thank you for verifying my suspicions and distrust of huffpo, tho – that part was fun!
bpollen January 25th, 2015 at 10:38 pm
You are most welcome! It’s bad policy to argue with the delusional, so I will just leave it and you at that. And the rumor is that you get viruses from Alex Jones site, so have fun with your finger paints.
allison1050 January 24th, 2015 at 7:33 pm
In the store? Stop it now thanks.
whaddacrock January 24th, 2015 at 11:55 pm
Huh?
allison1050 January 25th, 2015 at 4:45 am
It wouldn’t occur to quite a few people to carry their gunz in a fanny pak in a store.
William January 24th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
Wait-a-minute. Fanny pack? Really? Was he also wearing black socks and crocs?
Well at least he isn’t likely to reproduce.
StoneyCurtisll January 24th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
High Five~!
Budda January 24th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
“accidental discharge”….I remember when I first heard the term, and I remember the first time I heard an accidental discharge. Scary, both times.
fancypants January 24th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
it looks like the kit comes complete with a butterfly knife and a telescoping metal baton
what more could a domestic idiot ask for ?
FatRat January 24th, 2015 at 5:08 pm
Idiot kit yes, but I think you are mistaken on two of the items. 2nd item pistol light for quickly attaching to your gun if attacked by ninjas in the dead of night. (smile) 3rd item looks like a Gerber multi tool. http://tinyurl.com/ooh2khu Useful if you have to quickly attach a pistol light with the pliers, because it won’t adhere properly. 1st item is a spare magazine, useful if you have multiple waves of night time ninja attacks. Kit is basically worthless, unless you are going to mug someone and you suffer from night blindness.
fancypants January 24th, 2015 at 5:40 pm
I don’t know of any pistol light that has a belt clip on it but hey why argue over an idiot kit
allison1050 January 24th, 2015 at 7:31 pm
lol
StoneyCurtisll January 24th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
Key words…
“Fanny pack”…
Candide Thirtythree January 25th, 2015 at 2:30 am
lol
Sister12345 January 24th, 2015 at 5:33 pm
I can’t find any more info other than the headline. Where, Who, etc?
Carla Akins January 24th, 2015 at 6:08 pm
You have to click on the hyperlink to get to the full story: http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/woman-shot-leg-richland-twp-giant-eagle/njt7j/
imbok January 24th, 2015 at 5:53 pm
I’m guessing this story is entirely made up. No basic facts or byline and no explanation of how the gun discharged on being dropped. All modern fire-arms are drop safe – this story doesn’t pass the sniff test.
Carla Akins January 24th, 2015 at 6:07 pm
You do know how to click on the hyperlinks to get to the originating story, right? http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/woman-shot-leg-richland-twp-giant-eagle/njt7j/ Or they just make it all up?
imbok January 24th, 2015 at 6:19 pm
Crow eaten. It was tasty.
Obewon January 24th, 2015 at 6:26 pm
500+ are killed in the USA each year from unintentional gun discharges of the 32,163 U.S. gun deaths in 2011.
FROM DECEMBER 2012 TO DECEMBER 2013, AT LEAST 100 CHILDREN WERE KILLED IN UNINTENTIONAL SHOOTINGS — ALMOST TWO EACH WEEK, 61% HIGHER THAN FEDERAL DATA REFLECT. And even this larger number reflects just a fraction of the total number of children injured or killed with guns in the U.S. each year, regardless of the intent. http://everytown.org/documents/2014/10/innocents-lost.pdf
allison1050 January 24th, 2015 at 7:28 pm
Okay but we all know that there are gaping holes in this story. Finish MY shopping… not a chance in hell would I have “finished” shopping.
Candide Thirtythree January 25th, 2015 at 2:23 am
I hear ya sister!!! No way I would have finished any shopping, I would have been on the way home to change my underpants and call a lawyer!
allison1050 January 25th, 2015 at 4:42 am
I could see myself doing just exactly that! ;o)
rg9rts January 25th, 2015 at 1:14 am
Another qualified candidate for the NRA shooter of the month award..
Candide Thirtythree January 25th, 2015 at 2:16 am
At least they arrested this one, usually they don’t. Like that nasty preacher from Florida who was burning Korans, he dropped his gun in a rental car and shot a whole through the floor board, parked right there by the sidewalk in front of a TV station. It could have hurt some bystander and it did damage someone else’s property but he didn’t get arrested for it because everyone is so scared of the rwnjs screaming second amendment!
Candide Thirtythree January 25th, 2015 at 2:23 am
You are so right! We have a gun safe full of guns, some are antiques that have been passed down for generations, plus almost everyone in the family is ex-military or law enforcement and not a single one of us walks around toting a gun in public!
Guns are tools, not toys, not bling to be worn in Wal-Mart or pranced around with at parades. UGH!
People who are that fearful that they have to pack heat in the grocery story should just stay home until their irrational fears can be cured.
Candide Thirtythree January 25th, 2015 at 2:30 am
Well they must be because for the last 6 years, I have gotten at least 15 e-mails a week from right wing sites that have the subject line… Obama is coming for your guns!!! or the UN is coming for your guns!!! or Obama passed another anti gun law today!
By my count, Obama has signed about 44,000 gun laws since he has been in office. *SMH*
I am so glad that I do not suffer delusions like they do, it must be a miserable Existence to live every day with those irrational fears.