Dolezal: ‘I Identify As Black’
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Rachel Dolezal spoke with Matt Lauer on “Today” and said she’d make the same choices given another chance.
As much as this discussion has somewhat been at my expense recently, and in a very sort of viciously inhumane way come out of the woodwork, the discussion is really about what it is to be human,” she said. “I hope that that can drive at the core of definitions of race, ethnicity, culture, self determination, personal agency and, ultimately, empowerment.”
Dolezal defended her identification as an African American against comparisons to putting on blackface, as some in her family have suggested, as well as many on social media.
“I have a huge issue with blackface. This is not some freak “Birth of a Nation” mockery blackface performance,” she said. “This is on a very real, connected level. How I’ve had to go there with the experience, not just a visible representation, but with the experience.”
…When asked about the changes in her physical appearance and whether she darkened her appearance, Dolezal responded: “I certainly don’t stay out of the sun.”
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allison1050 June 16th, 2015 at 10:17 am
Not black face? What the hell, this chick has serious issues that I’m certain she’ll never address.
StoneyCurtisll June 16th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
People still say that about trans gendered people..
Lets keep an open mind.
allison1050 June 16th, 2015 at 1:45 pm
As a person of mixed race I’m missing that open mind stuff. She could have had the same success’ as a white woman ya know. I also will always take issue with anyone who takes a university sit that should have gone to a minority at Howard…that’s it in a nut shell. What jobs did she take from a minority while “passing”? I also take issue with someone who was a TA and lying about being a professor.
StoneyCurtisll June 16th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
I respect your opinion..
allison1050 June 16th, 2015 at 4:10 pm
Thank you Stoney! ;o)
Chinese Democracy June 16th, 2015 at 8:13 pm
yeah yeah… heh
Chinese Democracy June 16th, 2015 at 8:12 pm
she basically used her white privilege to morph into anything she wanted to get what she wanted.
allison1050 June 16th, 2015 at 8:24 pm
There ya go! I’ve wondered on the threads which minority didn’t get a job that was given to her instead. Applying to Howard and later to go ahead and sue because of bias “because she was white” is certainly convenient isn’t it?
anothertoothpick June 16th, 2015 at 5:48 pm
Her parents do look kinda black.
allison1050 June 16th, 2015 at 7:47 pm
lol
rational_thinking_one June 16th, 2015 at 11:42 am
Just like Bruce Jenner identifies as a woman, this woman should be free to identify as black.
StoneyCurtisll June 16th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
I tend to agree.
Chinese Democracy June 16th, 2015 at 6:39 pm
Im also free to think comparing Caitlyn Jenner and this lying nutball in blackface is ridiculous .
Caitlyn Jenner is all about being honest with herself and the world at large
transracial identity is not a thing
“The idea that Dolezal’s choice to publicly identify as a black woman — one who occupied positions of power in spaces specifically designated for members of a marginalized group — is the same as being a trans woman, simply doesn’t add up.
What Dolezal did is culturally appropriative, and suggesting otherwise disrupts actual discussions about transgender identity and issues. (It’s also worth noting that a white woman’s decade-long deception has effectively hijacked the conversation about race, during a week where the nation was focusing on police brutality in McKinney, Texas.)
As Darnell L. Moore of Mic eloquently put it, “In attempting to pass as black, Dolezal falsely represented her identity. Trans people don’t lie about their gender identities — they express their gender according to categories that reflect who they are.”
more at http://goo.gl/bRgLyF
Jimmy Fleck June 16th, 2015 at 7:02 pm
“transracial identity is not a thing” Who gets to decide if it is a thing or not?
How is Caitlyn being honest with herself but Rachel is lying?
tracey marie June 16th, 2015 at 7:22 pm
you will never understand anything outside your hate.
Jimmy Fleck June 16th, 2015 at 7:25 pm
Who am I showing hate for?
Chinese Democracy June 16th, 2015 at 8:11 pm
the dark side is strong with this one
tracey marie June 16th, 2015 at 8:28 pm
sad and pathetic to see such a waste of human skin.
allison1050 June 16th, 2015 at 8:06 pm
Rachel has lied and said she was raised in a teepee, used bows and arrows to hunt food, has lied to the police on several occasions claiming that hate crimes were being committed against her such as a noose left hanging in her garage when it was her landlord that told her he used to to hang deer in order to dress them. Has also lied on job applications claiming to be Black when indeed she’s white. Rachel has problems with lying obviously and by the way more recently to the NAACP about her race.
Isiah Abraham June 19th, 2015 at 6:17 pm
Allison1050: “Rachel has lied and said she was raised in a teepee, used bows and
arrows to hunt food, has lied to the police on several occasions
claiming that hate crimes were being committed against her such as a
noose left hanging in her garage when it was her landlord that told her
he used to to hang deer in order to dress them. Has also lied on job
applications claiming to be Black when indeed she’s white. Rachel has
problems with lying obviously and by the way more recently to the NAACP
about her race.
And it’s beyond crazy. When asked about her lying she preferred to refer to her lies as “creative fiction”…please.”
I think the question was stated as follows: ” “transracial identity is not a thing” Who gets to decide if it is a thing or not? How is Caitlyn being honest with herself but Rachel is lying?
In other words, why do those “lies” mean that “transracial identity is not a thing”? Why does lying about living in teepee mean that there is no such thing as “transracial identity”?
Secondly, ” since Bruce Jenner has lied on many applications and you still accept his “transgenderism,” I fail to see your point.
Thirdly, If the act of lying means that Rachel is not “transracial,” then doesn’t it mean that all the lies that Bruce Jenner has told in his life should have put his “transgenderism” into question and made it so that he is not “transgender? If not, why? Why does the same standard of having told lies equaling that one is not the “trans” that they say they are not apply to Jenner?
allison1050 June 19th, 2015 at 8:53 pm
Darling I don’t know which interview you watched since there were several. Just a tip, when you respond to a comment you don’t have to copy the entire statement, just click on the reply button and make your statement.
Don’t compare Bruce J. to Rachael the Liar since there’s really no comparison to be made. Also, when you try to compare the 2 it tells me that you spend way too much time listening to teevee…stop it and learn how to fill your time with reading. Talking heads are attempting to make a comparison just to titillate the viewing public. It’s become more like those entertainment rather than informative news. Walter Cronkite is spinning in his grave I’m sure.
Have a good evening.
Isiah Abraham June 20th, 2015 at 6:53 pm
Allison1050: “Darling I don’t know which interview you watched since there were several.
Interesting.
2. Allison1050: Just a tip, when you respond to a comment you don’t have to copy the entire statement, just click on the reply button and make your statement.”
I’m already aware of this. Thank you for the “tip,” but for reasons of consistency, I prefer to post my replies this way.
3. Allison1050: “Don’t compare Bruce J. to Rachael the Liar since
there’s really no comparison to be made.”
And this is because…..? In other words, the reason why you seem to believe that there are “ really no comparisons” to be made is because of what? Is it just because you don’t believe that there are ‘really no comparisons to be made”? If so, are we just supposed to go on what you “ believe”?
4. Allison1050: ‘Also, when you try to compare the 2 it tells me
that you spend way too much time listening to teevee…stop it and learn how to fill your time with reading. “
And this comment illustrates exactly why I am asking you why you seem to think that we are just supposed to go on
what you “ believe.”
Secondly, so comparing two individuals who say that they are not really who society has believed them to be requires actually “listening to teevee” to lead someone to make such a comparison? Lol! And here I was thinking that all that was required was reading
about two individuals, Rachel and Bruce, who have decided that they are not really what others have said that they are.
5. Allison1050: “Talking heads are attempting to make a comparison just to titillate the viewing public. It’s become more like those entertainment rather than informative news. Walter
Cronkite is spinning in his grave I’m sure. Have a good evening.”
No wonder you seem so “titillated.” Lol!!
Secondly, if you can tell us that this is what “talking heads” are saying on the T.V. then what does that tell us about who is the one “spending way too much time listening to teevee”? Doesn’t it tell us that you are the one who “spends way too much time listening to teevee? Just saying…..
allison1050 June 20th, 2015 at 8:10 pm
If you can’t figure out the difference between the 2 VERY different situations then WHERE in my comment did you ever get the idea that I was trying to make YOU believe anything? I wouldn’t waste my time trying to get a slow person to believe anything at all and you’re it. ;o/
And to think, you still haven’t figured out that you can get the very same information from reading and that does include teevee newz silly.
If you’re slow then you’re slow and that’s really a very sad statement on your part.
Isiah Abraham June 22nd, 2015 at 7:49 pm
Allison1050: “If you can’t figure out the difference between the 2 VERY different situations then WHERE in my comment did you ever get the idea that I was trying to make YOU believe anything?”
“2 VERY different situations?” How so? Look, one of the couple of differences that you could possibly point out between the two is the difference that lies between what each one’s claims are regarding: Rachel’s claims are about race while Bruce’s claims are about gender. Beyond those two things and maybe there sex, everything else is essentially the same. So I don’t know where you get off asserting that they are ““2 VERY different situations.” In fact, such an assertion would require you to show or prove all of the many differences that make it “ 2 VERY different situations.” Can you do that? i seriously doubt it.
Secondly, here is a place where you are trying to get me to believe something that is realistically not true:
Allison1050Quote 1: “Don’t compare Bruce J. to Rachael the Liar since there’s really no comparison to be made.”
#2 Allison1050: “I wouldn’t waste my time trying to get a slow person to believe anything at all and you’re it. ;o/”
And yet, here you are trying to convince me that I’m the “slow” one instead of you. Lol!! Yeeesh!
#3 Allison1050: “And to think, you still haven’t figured out that you can get the very same information from reading and that does include teevee newz silly.”
And since you are so smart and so “fast” to have
figured this very “difficult” thing out, then why did you fail to figure it out
before you erroneously concluded that I received my information from “teevee“? I think it was you who first said: “Also, when you try to compare the 2 it tells me that you spend way too much time listening to teevee…stop it and learn how to fill your time with reading. Talking heads are attempting to make a comparison just to titillate the viewing public. It’s become more like those entertainment
rather than informative news. Walter Cronkite is spinning in his grave I’m
sure.”
Now, since you have already erroneously concluded that I received my information from T.V. instead of reading, then aren’t you the one who is kind of “slow”? Aren’t you the one who probably just figured out “that
you can get the very same information from reading”?
#4 Allison1050: “If you’re slow then you’re slow and that’s really a very sad statement on your part.”
Says, the one who just figured out that you can get the very same information from reading. So what kind of statement is that on your part?
allison1050 June 22nd, 2015 at 10:27 pm
Bye now stupido. ;o/
Chinese Democracy June 16th, 2015 at 8:09 pm
exactly.. lying through her little corn nibblet teeth
she lied about who her son was
she lied about who her father was
she lied about her circumstances
etc etc etc
Isiah Abraham June 19th, 2015 at 6:23 pm
Chinese Democracy:”exactly.. lying through her little corn nibblet teeth”
That’s a comment that just yells “LOVE”! Lol!!
#2 Chinese Democracy: “she lied about who her son was
she lied about who her father was
she lied about her circumstances
etc etc etc”
And this means that she is not “transracial” because……..?
By the way did you like that one better? No red flags because it is so short? LoL!!
Chinese Democracy June 19th, 2015 at 7:41 pm
Im not one of those huggy cant we all just get along liberals.. Im a young new one that isnt afraid to fight for what I believe in.
#3 LOVE this pal.. take your lecture on the road cuz Im not that interested in it
Isiah Abraham June 20th, 2015 at 7:04 pm
Chinese Democracy: “Im not one of those huggy cant we all just get along liberals.. Im a young new one that isnt afraid to
fight for what I believe in.”
Good, so you must be part of the “new strain”? Or maybe you are just a repackaged “old strain” that wants everyone to believe that its “new,” even as it engages in the same old behavior?
Secondly, what kind of “fighting” are we talking about here because I don’t recall any of the “old liberals” being afraid to “fight” In
fact, you could look around and easily make the argument that it has been “conservatives” who have been “afraid to fight”
#2 Chinese Democracy: “LOVE this pal.. take your
lecture on the road cuz Im not that interested in it”
Oh, you don’t know how much I’m loving it. Thank you for your “lack of interest.”
Isiah Abraham June 16th, 2015 at 7:51 pm
Chinese Democracy: “Im also free to think comparing Caitlyn Jenner and this lying nutball in blackface is ridiculous.”
Why? Why would you have problem with someone who is trying to be true to her real self?
#2. Chinese Democracy: “Caitlyn Jenner is all about being honest with herself and the world at large.”
Yes, but according to him/her at one time he/she was not. So what exactly is your point? What’s problem to you have with this young lady, because it surely can’t be the lying part?
#3 Chinese Democracy: “transracial identity is not a thing”
And “transgender identity” is? So what makes one a “thing” and the other “not a thing”?
#4 Chinese Democracy: ” “The idea that Dolezal’s choice to publicly identify as a black woman
— one who occupied positions of power in spaces specifically
designated for members of a marginalized group — is the same as being a
trans woman, simply doesn’t add up.”
Why?
#5 Chinese Democracy: ” What Dolezal did is culturally appropriative, and suggesting otherwise
disrupts actual discussions about transgender identity and issues.”
Bingo! And herein lies a cause behind why you think “comparing Caitlyn Jenner and this lying nutball in blackface is ridiculous.”
#5 Chinese Democracy: (It’s also worth noting that a white woman’s decade-long deception has effectively hijacked the conversation about race, during a week where the nation was focusing on police brutality in McKinney, Texas.)”
And where were you when Bruce Jenner’s deception did the same? Were you voicing the same concern?
Secondly, do you bring this up to say that Ms. Dolezal is conspiring with the police in Mckinney Texas to turn the nation’s focus off of what occurred down there? Is that your point?
#6 Chinese Democracy: ” As Darnell L. Moore of Mic eloquently put it, “In attempting to pass as
black, Dolezal falsely represented her identity. Trans people don’t lie
about their gender identities — they express their gender according to
categories that reflect who they are.”
I’m not quite understanding you and this quote here, so let me see if this is what you are arguing: Are you trying to argue that when one attempts to pass as another gender, he or she is not falsely representing his/ her identity? Instead, those who engage in such a behavior are simply trying to express their gender according to categories that reflect who they are” ? On the other hand, when individuals attempt to pass themselves off as another race, they are not trying to express their race according to categories that reflect who they are. Instead, those who engage in such a behavior are simply falsely representing their identity? Is this your argument?
Now, if the aforementioned is your argument, then can you please explain this to us: How do you know that the individual who is trying to pass himself off as being from another race is not doing so as a result of trying to express his race according to who he really is? On the other hand, how do you know that the individual who is trying to pass itself off as belonging to another gender is doing so as a result of trying to express it’s gender according to who he/she really is?
Chinese Democracy June 16th, 2015 at 8:08 pm
I know you are having fun… but I think I explained how I feel about it
succinctly .
and put a link to an article I agree with.
That much typing on a blog post is a huge red flag lol
Isiah Abraham June 19th, 2015 at 5:55 pm
Chinese Democracy: “I know you are having fun…”
Actually, these are serious inquires. I know you are not used to anyone seriously questioning your edicts, so it might simply look like someone who is just “having fun.”
#2 Chinese Democracy: “but I think I explained how I feel about it succinctly .”
But I think your act of trying to be as succinct as possible has left many questions unanswered.
#3 Chinese Democracy: “and put a link to an article I agree with.”
Does the article answer all the questions that have just been asked in regards to your comments? If not, then why do you seem to think that you placing a link to an article you agree with is the answer?
#4 Chinese Democracy: “That much typing on a blog post is a huge red flag lol”
My thoughts exactly. Lol!! It’s always a huge red flag to those who believe that their word is the final word of “god,” and therefore they should
not be questioned on the inconsistencies and “sense” of their position .
Chinese Democracy June 19th, 2015 at 6:01 pm
guess you will just have to deal with it..
Isiah Abraham June 20th, 2015 at 6:09 pm
Chinese Democracy: “guess you will just have to deal with it..”
Lol!!! I guess you are right. So, since talking and asking questions about your position doesn’t “deal with it,” how do you propose that we “deal with it”?
trees June 16th, 2015 at 9:27 pm
Explain to us how you “know” that this woman isn’t transracial.
Oh, cause there is no such thing?
That’s what others say about transsexual…..
If transsexual is real, then so is transracial.
And just like it wasn’t politically expedient to embrace transsexuality, at first, likewise it will be for the transracial.
We can be whatever we choose, reality notwithstanding
Chinese Democracy June 17th, 2015 at 2:00 am
everything is black or white or not
trees June 16th, 2015 at 9:27 pm
Explain to us how you “know” that this woman isn’t transracial.
Oh, cause there is no such thing?
That’s what others say about transsexual…..
If transsexual is real, then so is transracial.
And just like it wasn’t politically expedient to embrace transsexuality, at first, likewise it will be for the transracial.
We can be whatever we choose, reality notwithstanding
Isiah Abraham June 16th, 2015 at 7:17 pm
rational_thinking_one: “Just like Bruce Jenner identifies as a woman, this woman should be free to identify as black.”
Ah, ah, ah, it doesn’t work like that. You are free to identify the way we tell you to identify, and right now a white person self-identifying as black is not allowed. We can’t have her taking all the attention from the transgender community and their “cause.” LOL!!
tracey marie June 16th, 2015 at 7:23 pm
Cause…oh right you area trolling phobe.
Isiah Abraham June 19th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
tracey marie:”Cause…oh right you area trolling phobe.”
If I am a “trolling phobe” for commenting, then what do you want us to believe that you are doing when you comment?
Chinese Democracy June 19th, 2015 at 7:42 pm
lol trolling phobe I hope that makes it in next years dictionary
allison1050 June 16th, 2015 at 7:56 pm
Did you say something?
Isiah Abraham June 19th, 2015 at 6:02 pm
allison1050:”Did you say something?”
Actually, I’ve said some things.
Chinese Democracy June 19th, 2015 at 7:44 pm
no she meant… have you typed anything more interesting than watching paint dry
allison1050 June 19th, 2015 at 8:55 pm
lol!
Isiah Abraham June 20th, 2015 at 7:13 pm
Chinese Democracy: “no she meant… have you typed anything more interesting than watching paint dry.’
Well,since you’ve found watching paint dry to be of interest, then perhaps she should have asked you and not me.
allison1050 June 19th, 2015 at 8:54 pm
We still can’t hear you Isiah! Sorry about that. ;o/
trees June 16th, 2015 at 2:51 pm
If Bruce Jenner is really a woman trapped in a man’s body, then it stands to reason that Rachel Dolezal is a black woman trapped in a white woman’s body….
She might even be a black man trapped in a white woman’s body…..
Who knows???
Mental illness is interesting.
Some of you may be bananas trapped in human form.
anothertoothpick June 16th, 2015 at 4:51 pm
Now when you use the term “bananas “, are you using it in its pejorative form as in; Wow those people are bananas.
Or are you using it in its literal form as in; Wow those people ARE bananas?
Chinese Democracy June 16th, 2015 at 6:30 pm
mental illness isnt as interesting as you think. Your posts are a little boring
tracey marie June 16th, 2015 at 7:23 pm
you are a troll trapped in an almost human body
whatthe46 June 17th, 2015 at 1:51 am
lol
crc3 June 16th, 2015 at 6:25 pm
She’s about as black as a blizzard in Antarctica. She’s also as nutty as a fruit cake but then again…who am I to judge? 🙂
AAASuperPatriot June 16th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
I’m probably out of step with my fellow liberals, but I think one can compare Caitlyn Jenner to Rachel Dolezal.
Both are a case of conflict between birth vs. emotional identity.
Most people naturally identify with how they are born — gender, ethnicity, even religion and nationality.
But a minority of people redefine themselves as something else. As a liberal, I’m fine with this.
The big difference, of course, is that Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner has been very transparent about her transexuality. Dolezal seemed more deceptive. But, she strikes me as misguided rather than malicious.
whatthe46 June 17th, 2015 at 1:50 am
she can’t identify herself with a culture she’s never personally experienced. caitlyn has always believed she should have been a woman and can identify as a woman, because she’s actually living it. this woman can’t change the pigment of her skin to identify as black, unlike bruce who was able to change his orientation by becoming caitlyn.
Robert M. Snyder June 17th, 2015 at 7:37 am
Did you know that she (Dolezar) was raised with four adopted black siblings?
Have you read this article by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar?
http://time.com/3921404/rachel-dolezal-naacp-race-kareem-abdul-jabbar/
whatthe46 June 17th, 2015 at 9:31 am
being raised with 2 (is what i read) adopted brothers, doesn’t mean she’s lived the black experience. she hasn’t and never will experience what it’s like to live as a black person in this world. because she’s not black.
Robert M. Snyder June 17th, 2015 at 10:03 am
Sure, but I think it may help to explain how she became an effective advocate for blacks. My daughter was good friends with a white girl whose white parents adopted a black child. We live in a rural community that is 99% white. The girl saw herself as a protector of her younger brother and fiercely opposed anything that could be construed as racism. I can see how Dolezar might have come to see herself in the same way. That obviously does not justify lying, but I think it provides a plausible explanation of her motives.
Have you read this article which claims that Caitlyn Jenner will never be a woman? The author appears to be making the same basic argument that you have just made, but in the context of gender instead of race.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/04/why-bruce-jenner-can-never-be-a-woman/
whatthe46 June 17th, 2015 at 10:05 am
apples and oranges
trees June 17th, 2015 at 10:17 am
No. It’s relevant. You choose otherwise. The premise that you are what you’re born as is consistent.
Robert M. Snyder June 17th, 2015 at 10:22 am
A lot of thoughtful people are taking the comparison seriously. What makes race different from gender? How can a man with XY chromosomes, who was raised as a male and treated as a male for most of his life, legitimately claim to be a woman?
I am inclined to think that Jenner and Dolezar are both delusional. I would not deny them the right to live as they choose. They don’t threaten anyone. But if you’re going to accept Jenner as female, then on what basis would you refuse to accept Dolezar as black?
Robert M. Snyder June 17th, 2015 at 12:55 am
Suppose that a newborn baby is left in a basket outside a police station. Suppose that nobody saw the parents, and after an extensive search, they cannot be identified. The police begin to fill out the paperwork on this child. They get to the race and ethnicity questions. What boxes should they check?
The child is raised in an orphanage in which many other children, of many races and ethnicities, are also raised. The child reaches adulthood and applies for a job as a postal clerk. The application form asks him to specify his race and ethnicity. What boxes should he check?
Suppose that Rachel Dolezal was never outed. Instead, suppose that she married a white man and they had a child, and she told the child that she was black. The child grows up thinking that he is mixed race, and identifies as black. Does that make him legitimately black?
Most people do not know the identities of *all* of their great-grandparents, and have probably never seen photos of most of them. In “white” families, the existence of a black ancestor might be something that was hushed up and not communicated to grandchildren. Suppose that Rachel Dolezal researches her family tree and discovers a black great-grandparent, making her 1/8 black. Does that make her legitimately black?
With all of the mixed-race marriages taking place today, involving various combinations of Asians, Latinos, Blacks, and Whites, how much longer will the question of race have meaning? And why is this question more meaningful than height, weight, or physical attractiveness? How many short men become corporate CEOs? What is an unattractive woman’s odds of being elected president? Does anyone really believe that Bill Clinton would have been elected if he looked like Robert Reich, or that Hillary could be elected if she looked like Susan Boyle?
whatthe46 June 17th, 2015 at 1:45 am
suppose she identified as peter pan, it still won’t make her fly.
Super D June 17th, 2015 at 7:15 am
I don’t get it. Black is not a character trait nor is it a personality feature. Why can’t people just identify themselves as, themselves.
allison1050 June 17th, 2015 at 9:51 am
Because American society hasn’t reached the point where what you suggest can happen.