More Than 500 Gitmo Detainees Released Under Bush, One Suspected In Benghazi Attack
As the right-wing echo chamber ramps up about how horrible it is that five Guantanamo Bay detainees have been freed, let’s remember that 520 Gitmo detainees were released under George W. Bush.
Indeed, government documents indicate more than 500 detainees were released or transferred from Guantanamo while George W. Bush was president. A White House executive order issued on the second day of Obama’s presidency said, ” The federal government has moved more than 500 such detainees from Guantánamo, either by returning them to their home country or by releasing or transferring them to a third country.”
That’s backed up by a fact sheet from the military task force that runs the detention camp, which says 520 detainees had been released or transferred by March 2009.
One of the detainees is suspected in the Benghazi attack.
U.S. officials suspect that a former Guantanamo Bay detainee played a role in the attack on the American diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, and are planning to designate the group he leads as a foreign terrorist organization, according to officials familiar with the plans.
Militiamen under the command of Abu Sufian bin Qumu, the leader of Ansar al-Sharia in the Libyan city of Darnah, participated in the attack that killed U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans, U.S. officials said…
In 2007, Qumu was released from the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and sent to Libya, where he was detained. The Libyan government released him in 2008.
arc99 June 2nd, 2014 at 9:43 pm
It does not matter.
When the engines of the right wing noise machine have been revved, when the talking points have been distributed, and the storyline established, facts do not matter.
First you demonize, then you create an appropriate narrative to support that demonization. That is what happened with Trayvon Martin. According to the right wing noise machine, Martin was a “thug” who got what he deserved; end of story.
It is all because of the weak, dishonest Muslim in the White House that 4 dead on 9/11/2012 is infinitely worse than 3,000 dead on 9/11/2001. Rush said so, so obviously it is true.
Now, the script calls for Sgt. Bergdahl to be portrayed a cowardly traitor who should have been left to rot in prison. For good measure, why not destroy the reputations of his parents while they are at it.
The President has jeopardized national security, military security, troop safety, the American way, and apple pie. FOX said so, it’s just gotta be true.
Any sensible attempt to objectively evaluate this event in the context of previous administrations and their policies, is dismissed with contempt, as “blaming Bush”.
Birth certificate
Benghazi
Bergdahl
Time for another b-word.
Son of a b*tch, here we go again….
John Tarter June 3rd, 2014 at 12:39 am
Have you heard what the other soldiers who were in his platoon said about Bergdahl? To a man they said he was at the very least a deserter.
fahvel June 3rd, 2014 at 3:32 am
have you “heard” a single word said by any of them??????
STICKERS ARE UGLY June 6th, 2014 at 3:13 pm
Yes, they were on Megyn Kelly show last night, all 6 said he was a deserter, which he is…his team leader also says in a write up that he heard radio transmissions that he purposefully sought out the taliban, and in the preceding months, attacks on their FOB increased, and were very precise…its on the internet, go find it
Roger N. Kirkman June 3rd, 2014 at 6:27 am
Just proves the point that the demonization of Bergdahl began very early in the smear campaign and you’re now reading that statement. If the other soldiers REALLY said that “Bergdahl at the very least was a deserter”, don’t you think that clip would be on Fox News already? No, there’s nothing to back up the claim, so they don’t publicize anything other than “there’s this rumor”. Just the use of the words “at the very least” should tip you off. Wake up, dude, and smell the hostility unfounded.
John Tarter June 3rd, 2014 at 8:10 am
You are right and I am wrong. Sgt. Bergdahl needs to be given the Medal Of Honor and made President of the United States for his heroism. (And maybe we can throw in chief dog catcher while we are at it)
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:59 pm
Dude, check your White privilege–I love that argument ending racist statement ! I can use it everywhere because I’m Brown and have been give a special dispensation over your white guys–with my “deeper knowing” derived from my color. I just play the race card and I win the argument.
You have already elected a moron as your president and he hates his military. I can read that in my own papers–who needs the NYT to tell us that ?
Shades June 3rd, 2014 at 12:14 pm
Read that on FB eh?
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 1:54 pm
then it MUST be true!
Raylusk June 3rd, 2014 at 12:55 pm
We don’t convict someone with out hearing their side of what happened. It isn’t mob rule. But then you conservatives that are always crying that this is a nation of laws don’t really care about the law you only care about your ideology. This narrative you are trying to spin about our soldier that was released from 5 years of captivity prove it because you have already convicted him of a crime with out a trial and have decided because you have convicted him he should be sentenced to a life time of Taliban captivity. What a bunch of hypocrites you are.
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:57 pm
LOL
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 6:32 pm
well baggers like you do. You like illegal torture etc.
STICKERS ARE UGLY June 6th, 2014 at 3:16 pm
Those who were CLOSEST to him who are first hand eyewitnesses say he is a deserter.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bergdahl-team-leader-to-cnn-hes-a-deserter-who-sought-out-the-taliban/
Buetow told CNN that, within days of Bergdahl’s disappearance, military teams monitoring radio communications intercepted radio chatter and telephonic communication which indicated that an American was searching for Taliban members who spoke English.
“When we heard that, it told us, okay, he’s actively seeking out the Taliban,” Buetow said. “And, yes, over the next couple of months, all the attacks were far more directed.”
“I heard it straight from the interpreter’s lips as he heard it over the radio,” Buetow told Tapper. “There’s a lot more to this story than a soldier walking away.”
“I don’t really want to get into the political side of anything,” Buetow continued. “My goal is to show that Bergdahl is a deserter. He’s not a hero, and that he needs to answer for what he did.”
“We gave up a lot for what we got back,” Buetow said of America’s “very small victory” in recovering Bergdahl from Taliban captivity.
BanditBasheert June 3rd, 2014 at 5:21 pm
Under oath?
Let the UCMJ handle the matter. NOT YOU and NOT US.
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:55 pm
Yeah John ! Their multiple eye witness account is of NO account. Nor are Bergdahl’s tweets nor those of his family–they mean NOTHING.
It’s not like the American Left to impose gag restrictions on those involved in the weaponization of your IRS or the Benghazi and Fast and Furious witnesses–NO way–not the “most transparent administration EVER.”
William June 3rd, 2014 at 9:20 pm
“Yeah John ! The multiple eye witness accounts are of NO account. Nor are Bergdahl’s tweets nor those of his family–they mean NOTHING”.
That is correct.
None of that means a thing…until…
they are processed, accepted into evidence, reviewed by a court, heard by a jury (yes courts martials have juries), and lawfully adjudicated.
Welcome to America comrade.
(sorry you get your lessons in due process from Glenn Beck).
fahvel June 3rd, 2014 at 3:33 am
more energy is spent by the goprite on concocting lies and just pure bullshit against anything that the pres does or may do than the repugs spend on considering their constituents – aka: american citizens.
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:52 pm
Nice projection, dude.
arc99 June 3rd, 2014 at 5:56 pm
another claim from you with nary an intelligent argument to back it up.
still waiting for a clarification on that “white privelege” comment btw.
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 6:02 pm
I should have said, “Check your victimhood” and left it at that. So stop the whining and go and do something good for your country.
The “projection” comment is an observation that all you say is really about yourself. Deal.
arc99 June 3rd, 2014 at 6:15 pm
I will be happy to stop whining and will do so immediately after the folks on your end of the political spectrum do the same.
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 6:31 pm
way to avoid actually commenting on the actual content of his post.
you lose
guest June 2nd, 2014 at 11:00 pm
But it was a spontaneous protest because of a video, that caused Benghazi.
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 1:02 am
There have been 30000 Benghazi hearings. Show me one that has PROOF ( not some b/s made up email that was debunked ) That the White House covered up ANYTHING
LOL such idiosos
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:51 pm
3000 hearings ? There haven’t been that many days since it went down.
And your administration has sworn all those involved to secrecy–with non-disclosure agreements.
It’s clearly a cover up. And it will out. They always do. Hopefully in time for Hillary to address it straight up. A ‘video’ ? Please tell me you’re not an “idioso” and that you don’t believe that tale.
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 6:30 pm
PROOVE ITS A COVER UP .. should be easy if its so clear
William June 3rd, 2014 at 8:55 pm
It’s clearly a cover up
Yet thirteen hearing have uncovered zilch..
Benghazi..
Bagger-speak for OMG please don’t let Hillary run.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 12:22 am
Hold. A moment ago it was 3k, now it’s just 13–what gives ? The on-going investigation by your American Senator and committee is just that: on going. That their requests for information are ignored is telling.
Why the blindfold on Benghazi ? Why the blind acceptance of the “video” joke ? Sir, your American Left has far more to explain than your American Right.
Chinese Democracy June 4th, 2014 at 3:01 am
ha! good one ^5
jasperjava June 3rd, 2014 at 8:26 pm
That very same week, there were dozens of spontaneous protests all over the Middle-East over the offensive Youtube video attacking Islam.
It was only natural to think that Benghazi was one of those protests, since it occurred right at the same time. I’m still not convinced that it WAS a mistake. I would not be surprised if the widespread anger over the video might have played a role.
guest June 2nd, 2014 at 11:06 pm
Trade 5 terrorist leaders for 1 deserter, that gave aid to the enemy.
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 1:01 am
We dont leave American soldiers behind.
There is a difference between the Taliban and Al Queada . You seem like such an expert . I thought you would know that.
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:48 pm
Don’t leave them behind ? Tell that to the parents of the four dead in Benghazi.
Your insipid president chooses who lives and dies–heroes or traitors ? He chose the latter–mostly to create a new news cycle to take the focus off your dead vets in your VA system. Works well.
He’s truly a master of mayhem.
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 6:29 pm
and here I had hope for you. Did the dead get left behind in Benghazi?
Your insipid leader Rush Limbaugh keeps telling you lies and you keep repeating them
mea_mark June 4th, 2014 at 7:58 am
Total BS.
Raylusk June 3rd, 2014 at 12:50 pm
He hasn’t been convicted of deserting. For you to automatically label him shows you only care about attacking our President and not doing what is right. You know doing everything we can to get any soldier captured released. With you conservatives it is always about attacking our President. You are all a bunch of traitors.
Jon Finch June 3rd, 2014 at 5:28 pm
you call me a traitor? who the f! are you? you don’t know me, you don’t own me, and I bet I love my country for more than you do – enough to pay attention when something isn’t right and to speak up about it. so get lost with your asinine comments and baseless judgements.
mea_mark June 3rd, 2014 at 6:13 pm
And who are you? Are you claiming to be the guest that posted above? Indications are that you are not. Are you playing a game of deception?
BanditBasheert June 3rd, 2014 at 5:19 pm
Don’t bring John McCain into this.
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:46 pm
What terrorists were released in his behalf ?
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 6:51 pm
A new low by the radical left. They now call John McCain a deserter.
Chinese Democracy June 4th, 2014 at 2:59 am
no no the left doesnt call McCain a deserter we call him a nutter
Obewon June 2nd, 2014 at 11:33 pm
13 GWB Benghazi’s & 600+ GTMO terrorists freed proves today’s GOP motto: ‘We’ve got the easiest to bamboozle fools who believe anything we script Limbaugh to tell them.’
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:46 pm
Is that akin to weaponizing your Tax Service (IRS) ?
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 6:27 pm
but you like weaponizing things. IF its ok for a RWNJ to carry an assault rifle into a crowded Dennys where kids are eating. Its ok for the IRS to have guns too ..right?
John Tarter June 3rd, 2014 at 12:36 am
A couple of questions for my learned friends. Was there a law in place that said GWB had to notify the Congress 30 days in advance and did he comply with the law? The fact is, now THERE IS a law that says the president must notify the Congress 30 days before releasing any detainee. Did President Obama notify the Congress or did he once again BREAK THE LAW? P.S. No excuses please, just the facts.
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 12:58 am
you mean just a yes or no answer? NO Just as Bush did over and over Obama is claiming near absolute executive power and augmenting this claim with the use of the Bush signing statement tactic. Obama is claiming that Congress cannot limit his control over detainees at Gitmo.
The U.S never negotiated directly with any terrorists. Qatar did.
Is the rightwing blogosphere going nuts over release of gitmo prisoners because they are afraid its the beginning of the end for Gitmo? YES OR NO
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:45 pm
No. They’re worried about the erosion of their liberties.
Moreover, your Dear Leader has taken the Bush Doctrine of preemption and Drone-killed how many now ?
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 6:26 pm
moreover Drones vs troops? I pick drones pally wally
Erosion of their liberties? Me to stop telling me who I can marry
Lisa June 3rd, 2014 at 4:29 am
My understanding is that since the Gitmo prisoners were transferred, not released, that the President did not need the advanced approval of Congress.
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 6:50 pm
Transferred? They were released to the country of Qatar and are to free to move about the country; with no USA supervision.
Still think it is a transfer?
Obewon June 3rd, 2014 at 7:11 pm
theFive are so closely supervised they can’t travel for 1 year or return to the battlefield, before the Afghani war ends 12/31/14 And ALL untried & unconvicted Taliban must be released when the war ends per Geneva, et al.
“uniformed” is Teabonic for neoclown Botz.
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 11:11 pm
Ease up on the kool-aid Obewon. You’re dreaming to think that the Qatar government is going keep close tabs on these guys. Even Obama said it is possible they could get back into the fight.
As for the Geneva Convention: They are illegal combatants because they do not abide by any of the requirements of the Geneva Conventions. And the Conventions quite clearly state that its protection only applies to people who follow them. Their country would have to sign on and the combatants would have to wear a uniform.
Joshua Smith June 3rd, 2014 at 5:08 am
Notify congress? Why, so Republicans could use this soldier as a political pawn, and blow up the whole thing for a chance to stick it to Obama? No thanks.
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:44 pm
Obama supplies all the scandals himself. That your opposition party takes advantage of them is called “politics.”
Quit whining.
craig7120 June 3rd, 2014 at 6:05 pm
You’re a liar, unless you want to be specific what scandals the president “supplied” whatever that means, himself.
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 6:08 pm
Sir, you can google them as well as can I.
Don’t be so lazy and put some effort into questioning your religion. The truth will set you free.
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 6:24 pm
Obviously you think every bit of b/s t baggers come up with is somehow a scandal. LOL They WISH
Go google reality
craig7120 June 3rd, 2014 at 6:26 pm
So you can’t name any scandal Mr Obama supplied?
Lying probably works in your life for now, sooner or later you will be called on your falsehoods.
You’re quite the kook
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 6:45 pm
They never research anything that would go against their ideology and secular progressive liberal beliefs. They also won’t accept any proof which is not provided by anyone except another liberal. They believe all the run on misinformation that Obewon posts
http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-1289385.htm
TiredOfThemAll June 3rd, 2014 at 6:59 pm
They never research anything that would go against their ideology and secular progressive liberal beliefs.
_______
That’s EXACTLY what THEY say about YOU and anything that goes against YOUR ideology and theocratic regressive conservative beliefs.
arc99 June 3rd, 2014 at 7:12 pm
so tell us Bob, please provide an example of where you accepted an unabashedly leftist source as proof of something.
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 10:51 pm
Here is proof positive of me accepting a truly leftist source of information.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/06/03/4951555/patrick-cannon-pleads-guilty-to.html#.U46JL-lOXIV
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 8:05 am
Sir, you can google them as well as can I.
_________
And when you do, you find the right’s case is bogus.
But there is a great market for it, which is why David
Frum said, “Republicans have been Fleeced, Exploited And Lied To’ by a Conservative Entertainment Complex”
“They’ve been lied to by people who engage in niche marketing and make tens of millions of dollars engaging in niche marketing,” Scarborough said. “I’m a capitalist,
God bless ‘em…but that’s not an electoral strategy, that’s a business strategy for
them.”
And And William Kristol said, on Conservativism becoming a racket;
“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 6:40 pm
1. IRS targets Obama’s enemies: The IRS targeted conservative and pro-Israel groups prior to the 2012 election. Questions are being raised about why this occurred, who ordered it, whether there was any White House involvement and whether there was an initial effort to hide who knew about the targeting and when.
2. Benghazi: This is actually three scandals in one:
The failure of administration to protect the Benghazi mission.
The changes made to the talking points in order to suggest the attack was motivated by an anti-Muslim video
The refusal of the White House to say what President Obama did the night of the attack
3. Watching the AP: The Justice Department performed a massive cull of Associated Press reporters’ phone records as part of a leak investigation.
4. Rosengate: The Justice Department suggested that Fox News reporter James Rosen is a criminal for reporting about classified information and subsequently monitored his phones and emails.
5. Potential Holder perjury I: Attorney General Eric Holder told Congress he had never been associated with “potential prosecution” of a journalist for perjury when in fact he signed the affidavit that termed Rosen a potential criminal.
6. The ATF “Fast and Furious” scheme: Allowed weapons from the U.S. to “walk” across the border into the hands of Mexican drug dealers. The ATF lost track of hundreds of firearms, many of which were used in crimes, including the December 2010 killing of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
7. Potential Holder Perjury II: Holder told Congress in May 2011 that he had just recently heard about the Fast and Furious gun walking scheme when there is evidence he may have known much earlier.
8. Sebelius demands payment: HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius solicited donations from companies HHS might regulate. The money would be used to help her sign up uninsured Americans for ObamaCare.
9. The Pigford scandal: An Agriculture Department effort that started as an attempt to compensate black farmers who had been discriminated against by the agency but evolved into a gravy train delivering several billion dollars in cash to thousands of additional minority and female farmers who probably didn’t face discrimination.
10. GSA gone wild: The General Services Administration in 2010 held an $823,000 training conference in Las Vegas, featuring a clown and a mind readers. Resulted in the resignation of the GSA administrator.
11. Veterans Affairs in Disney World: The agency wasted more than $6 million on two conferences in Orlando. An assistant secretary was fired.
12. Sebelius violates the Hatch Act: A U.S. special counsel determined that Sebelius violated the Hatch Act when she made “extemporaneous partisan remarks” during a speech in her official capacity last year. During the remarks, Sebelius called for the election of the Democratic candidate for governor of North Carolina.
13. Solyndra: Republicans charged the Obama administration funded and promoted its poster boy for green energy despite warning signs the company was headed for bankruptcy. The administration also allegedly pressed Solyndra to delay layoff announcements until after the 2010 midterm elections.
14. AKA Lisa Jackson: Former EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson used the name “Richard Windsor” when corresponding by email with other government officials, drawing charges she was trying to evade scrutiny.
15. The New Black Panthers: The Justice Department was accused of using a racial double standard in failing to pursue a voter intimidation case against Black Panthers who appeared to be menacing voters at a polling place in 2008 in Philadelphia.
16. Waging war all by myself: Obama may have violated the Constitution and both the letter and the spirit of the War Powers Resolution by attacking Libya without Congressional approval.
17. Biden bullies the press: Vice President Biden’s office has repeatedly interfered with coverage, including forcing a reporter to wait in a closet, making a reporter delete photos, and editing pool reports.
18. AKPD not A-OK: The administration paid millions to the former firm of then-White House adviser David Axelrod, AKPD Message and Media, to promote passage of Obamacare. Some questioned whether the firm was hired to help pay Axelrod $2 million AKPD owed him.
19. Sestak, we’ll take care of you: Former White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel used Bill Clinton as an intermediary to probe whether former Rep. Joe Sestak (D-Pa.) would accept a prominent, unpaid White House advisory position in exchange for dropping out of the 2010 primary against former Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.).
20. I’ll pass my own laws: Obama has repeatedly been accused of making end runs around Congress by deciding which laws to enforce, including the decision not to deport illegal immigrants who may have been allowed to stay in the United States had Congress passed the “Dream Act.”
21. The hacking of Sharyl Attkisson’s computer: It’s not clear who hacked the CBS reporter’s computer as she investigated the Benghazi scandal, but the Obama administration and its allies had both the motive and the means to do it.
22. An American Political Prisoner: The sudden decision to arrest Nakoula Basseley Nakoula on unrelated charges after protests in the Arab world over his anti-Muslim video is an extraordinarily suspicious coincidence. “We’re going to go out and we’re going to prosecute the person that made that video,” Hillary Clinton allegedly told the father of one of the ex-SEALs killed in Banghazi.
23. Get rid of inconvenient IGs: Corporation for National and Community Service Inspector General Gerald Walpin was fired in 2009 as he fought wasteful spending and investigated a friend of Obama’s, Sacramento Mayor and former NBA player Kevin Johnson. The White House says Walpin was incompetent.
24. Influence peddling: An investigation is underway of Alejandro Mayorkas, director of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, who has been nominated by Obama for the number two post at the Department of Homeland Security. Mayorkas may have used his position to unfairly obtain U.S. visas for foreign investors in company run by Hillary Clinton’s brother, Anthony Rodman.
mea_mark June 3rd, 2014 at 6:52 pm
You have a very loose interpretation of what the word scandal means, at least to me.
TiredOfThemAll June 3rd, 2014 at 7:06 pm
1. IRS targets Obama’s enemies: The IRS targeted conservative and pro-Israel groups prior to the 2012
_______
There is a much greater thing from the GOP for EVERYTHING you mention.
The IRS was doing it’s job in looking at all the new groups seeking the tax exemption under the Supreme Court’s new law.
Liberal groups and medical marijuana groups were also “targeted”, but Issa do not want them in his report.
The REAL IRS , “targeting enemies” scandal:
IRS targeted NAACP in 2004
By KELSEY SNELL | 5/13/13 4:51 PM EDT
This isn’t the first time
the IRS has been in hot water for meddling in the politics of nonprofits. And
if past is prelude, the Obama administration may have a years-long scandal on
its hands.
In 2004, the NAACP was hit
with an audit over accusations of improper political activity for criticizing
the Bush administration.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/irs-targeted-naacp-in-2004-91284.html
IRS targeted Church in
2005;
In 2004, a preacher at All
Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena, Calif., delivered an anti-war sermon. The
3,500-member church found itself under investigation, but was able to beat
back the agency after hiring high-powered Washington attorneys and
soliciting support from conservative and liberal religious groups.
http://articles.glendalenewspress.com/2006-02-17/news/gnp-pollandscape17_1_glassell-park-irs-surveys
In 2004, the Wall Street
Journal reported that the IRS audited Greenpeace at the request of Public
Interest Watch, a group that’s funded by Exxon-Mobil.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB114291044305003774.html
The Bush IRS Collected
Political Affiliation Data on Taxpayers;
In 2006, a contractor
hired by the IRS collected party affiliation via a search of voter registration
rolls in a laundry list of states: Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut,
Delaware, Florida, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New
York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Utah
and Wisconsin. This begs the obvious question: why? Why would the IRS need
voter registration and party affiliation information?
http://www.sitnews.us/0106news/010606/010606_shns_irs_politics.html
http://articles.glendalenewspress.com/2006-02-17/news/gnp-pollandscape17_1_glassell-park-irs-surveys
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB114291044305003774.html
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/irs-targeted-naacp-in-2004-91284.html
And why;
A spokesman for Treasury
Inspector General J. Russell George told The Hill on Tuesday that Issa had
requested investigators “narrowly focus on tea party organizations.”
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/307813-irs-ig-says-audit-limited-to-tea-party-groups
I will debunk the rest of your list as I go about my business this evening.
It all shows that what the right accuse the left of, is usually what THEY are doing.
craig7120 June 3rd, 2014 at 8:39 pm
You didn’t prove that Mr Obama “supplied” any of that garbage you just typed out. You’re another liar.
Do you people know what definitions are? Words have meanings ya know.
My gosh, communicating with morons is tiring.
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 10:46 pm
You didn’t prove Bush lied about Iraq, yet for the past 13 years the mantra of the liberals has been “Bush lied.”
My money is on Obama as the liar.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 8:03 am
Feb. 2002 “I was asked by one of the senior commanders of Central Command to go into his office. We did, the door was closed, and he turned to me, and he said, ‘Senator, we have stopped fighting the war on terror in Afghanistan. We are moving military and intelligence personnel and resources
out of Afghanistan to get ready for a future war in Iraq.'”—Sen. Bob Graham.
March 2002;
“Fvck Saddam. We’re taking him out.”—Bush to Rice and three senators.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/24/timep.saddam.tm/
March 2002;
As The New Yorker later reports: “Chalabi’s defector reports were now flowing from the Pentagon directly to the Vice President’s office, and then on to the President, with little prior evaluation by intelligence professionals.”
3/14/2002;
Downing Street memo: “Condi’s enthusiasm for regime
change is undimmed…Bush has yet to find the answers to the big questions…what happens the morning after?”
3/15/2002;
British intel reports that there’s only “sporadic and patchy”
evidence of Iraqi WMD. “There is no intelligence on any [biological weapons] production facilities.”
3/22/02;
Downing Street memo: “US scrambling to establish a
link between Iraq and Al Qaida is so far frankly unconvincing…We are still left with a problem of bringing public opinion to accept the imminence of a threat from Iraq…Regime change does not stack up. It sounds like a grudge between Bush
and Saddam.”
3/25/2002;
Downing Street memo: “There has been no credible
evidence to link Iraq with Al Qaida…In the documents so far presented it has been hard to glean whether the threat from Iraq is so significantly different from that of Iran or North Korea as to justify action.”
3/28/2002;
Cheney tells Republican senators that the question is no
longer if the US will invade Iraq but when. [Date the public knew: 5/5/02]
May, 2002; Primary corroborator of Curveball’s claims that Iraq has mobile weapons labs is judged a liar and Chalabi plant by DIA. A fabricator warning is posted in US intelligence databases.
June, 2002; To a deputy raising doubts about Iraq war, Rice says: “Save your breath. The president has already made up his mind.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/05/01/the-dilemma-of-dissent.html
7/11/02 “Iraq is a very wealthy country. Enormous oil reserves.
They can finance, largely finance, the reconstruction of their own country. And I have no doubt that they will.”—Richard Perle
7/23/02 Downing Street memo written by foreign secretary after his visit with CIA’s Tenet and other US officials: “There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable…The intelligence and facts
were being fixed around the policy…The most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days
before the US Congressional elections.” [Date the public knew: 5/1/05]
Aug. 2002 White House Iraq Group created to market war. Members include Rove, Libby, Rice, as well as spinmeisters Karen Hughes and Mary Matalin.
Sep. 2002 Tyler Drumheller, CIA’s European operations chief, calls German Embassy in Washington
seeking access to Curveball. Germans warn he’s “crazy” and
“probably a fabricator.”
9/5/02 Upon
hearing from Tenet that no National Intelligence Estimate had been produced to assess justification for war, Sen. Graham demands one.
9/7/02 Bush
claims a new UN International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report states Iraq is six months from developing a nuclear weapon. There is no such report.
9/8/02; Page 1 Times story by Judith Miller and Michael Gordon cites anonymous administration officials saying Saddam has repeatedly tried to acquire aluminum tubes
“specially designed” to enrich uranium. “The first sign of a
‘smoking gun,’ they argue, may be a mushroom cloud.”
9/8/02; Tubes
“are only really suited for nuclear weapons programs…we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.”—Rice on CNN
9/8/02 “We do know, with absolute certainty, that he is using his procurement system to acquire the equipment he needs in order to enrich uranium to build a nuclear weapon.”—Cheney on Meet the Press
9/13/02 Cheney tells Rush Limbaugh: “What’s happening, of course, is we’re getting additional information that, in fact, Hussein is reconstituting his biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons programs.” There is no such new intel.
Mid-Sep. 2002
American relatives of Iraqis sent as CIA moles return from Iraq. All 30 report Saddam has abandoned WMD programs. Intel buried in the CIA bureaucracy. President Bush
never briefed.
9/19/02
Classified UK memo notes there’s “no definitive intelligence that [the aluminum tubes
are] destined for a nuclear programme.”
9/23/02 Institute for Science and International Security releases report calling the aluminum-
tube intelligence ambiguous and warning that “U.S. nuclear experts who dissent from the Administration’s position are expected to remain silent. ‘The President has said what he has said, end of story,’ one knowledgeable expert said.”
9/24/02 Britain releases dossier to public saying Iraq could launch biological or chemical attack within 45 minutes. Dossier later determined to be “sexed up.”
January 31 2003
A memo of a two-hour meeting between the two
leaders at the White House on January 31 2003 – nearly two months before the invasion – reveals that Mr Bush made it clear the US intended to invade whether or not there was a second UN resolution and even if UN inspectors found no
evidence of a banned Iraqi weapons programme.
The memo seen by Prof Sands reveals:
Mr Bush told Mr Blair that the US was so worried about the failure to find hard evidence against
Saddam that it thought of “flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft planes with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours”. Mr Bush added: “If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach [of UN resolutions]”.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/03/iraq.usa
craig7120 June 4th, 2014 at 5:09 pm
“You didn’t prove Bush lied about Iraq…..”
I never made that claim, dude said Mr Obama supplied the scandals, he’s a liar and so are you. Its not my fault you or anyone in the gop can’t prove what they say is true.
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2014 at 4:55 pm
Bush LIED ABOUT IRAQ .. the truth is the truth regardless if you believe it or not chummly
Bob Waas June 5th, 2014 at 7:11 pm
Apparently they all used the same info beginning with Clinton.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc
TiredOfThemAll June 3rd, 2014 at 9:21 pm
Everything from your list (I googled it) is a half truth, an exaggeration or a falsehood.
Certainly nothing as serious as past administrations, about which you guys had nothing to say.
But to debunk;
2. Benghazi:
Nowhere Near Beirut, 9/11 and the Embassy attacks under Bush.
1) The failure of administration to protect the Americans at
Beirut, in the Towers and embassies, after warnings.
In Beirut, there were repeated warnings and THREE attacks.
2) “The changes made to the talking points in order to suggest the attack was motivated by an anti-Muslim video..”
Senate Select Committee On Intelligence: “Talking Points Went Through The Normal Interagency Coordination Process.” The Senate Committee on Intelligence review determined there was no effort by the administration to cover-up or alter the
talking points for political purposes:
The Majority concludes that the interagency coordination process on the talking points followed normal, but rushed coordination procedures and that there were no efforts by the White House or any other Executive Branch entities to “cover-up” facts or make alterations for political purposes.
Indeed, former CIA Director David Petraeus testified to the Committee on November 16, 2012, “They went through the normal process that talking
points-unclassified public talking points-go through.” In fact, the purpose of the National Security Council (NSC) is to coordinate the many national security agencies of the government, especially when information about a terrorist attack is flowing in and being analyzed quickly-and the NSC used this role appropriately in the case of the talking points coordination.
Furthermore, such coordination processes were also standardized, often at the urging of Congress, following the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks with the explicit goal of reducing information “stovepipes” between and among agencies. [Review Of The Terrorist Attacks On U.S. Facilities In
Benghazi, Libya, September 11-12, 2012, U.S. Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, 1/15/14]
The Rhodes Email Relied On CIA Talking Points. Laying out a timeline of events, Slate’s David Weigel pointed out that the Rhodes email came “hours after the CIA and State Department
were urging that the assault on the U.S. consulate be blamed on a protest.”
“it’s just lazy journalism or lazy politicking to blame Rhodes for a talking point that was fed from the CIA.” [Slate, 4/30/14]
Email Consistent With Intelligence Reports At The Time. The email issued by Rhodes, which advised Rice on her upcoming appearances, provided information about global protests and said specifically about the attack, “the currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the US Consulate and subsequently its annex.” The language used by Rhodes is nearly identical to the initial draft of the CIA talking points, and was consistent with the intelligence community.
As opposed to;
… Condi, who “could not have imagined planes used as missiles ” after they knew that an Algerian group hijacked an airliner in 1994, … possibly to crash it into the Eiffel tower, and Italy closed the airspace over Genoa and mounted antiaircraft batteries at the Genoa airport during the G-8 summit which President Bush attended”.
And
Legislation May Take Six Months, Says Cheney Aide
Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), who, with Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ), has sent a copy of draft legislation on counterterrorism and national defense to Vice President Cheney’s office on July
20, is told by Cheney’s top aide Lewis “Scooter” Libby on this day “that it might be another six months before he would be able to review the material.” [DIANNE FEINSTEIN, 5/17/2002; NEWSWEEK, 5/27/2002]
The difference is that no one used these tragedies for cheap
political stunts.
used these tragedies for cheap political stunts.
TiredOfThemAll June 3rd, 2014 at 9:22 pm
3. Watching the AP:
The Bush FBI Targeted Journalists
with the New York Times and the Washington Post. By now, we’re all familiar with the AP situation in which U.S.
attorney Ronald Machen subpoenaed and confiscated phone records from the AP as
part of a leak investigation into an article about a CIA operation that took
place in Yemen to thwart a terrorist attack on the anniversary of Bin Laden’s
death. Well, this story pales in comparison with the Bush administration’s
inquisition against the reporters who broke the story about the NSA wiretapping
program. In fact, the Justice Department considered invoking the Espionage Act
of 1917, the archaic sequel to the John Adams-era Alien and Sedition Acts. The
Bush FBI seized phone records — without subpoena — from four American
journalists, including Raymond Bonner and Jane Perlez. How do we know this for
sure? Former FBI Director Robert Mueller apologized to the New York Times
and the Washington Post.
4. Rosengate:
See above.
Plus here , it was about
the leak, not the journalist.
5. Potential Holder
perjury
Piker compared to Gonzales and Bush’s chief of staff, Andrew H.
Card Jr., were on their way to the hospital while he was sick and
medicated to persuade Ashcroft to
reauthorize Bush’s domestic surveillance program, which the Justice Department
had just determined was illegal.
While he was listed as a
“co-conspirator,” that often does not mean he would be considered a
target.
6. The ATF “Fast and
Furious” scheme:
Nothing there.
Where were YOU when the Al
Qa Quaa munitions dump scandal was looted, (after they were WARNED that they
did not have enough troops), to be used in ieds against our troops.
7. Potential Holder Perjury
II: Holder told Congress in May 2011 that he had just recently heard about the
Fast and Furious gun walking scheme when there is evidence he may have known
much earlier.
Holder was right.
Can you compare that to the US
attorney firing?
8. Sebelius demands payment:
HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius solicited donations from companies HHS might
regulate. The money would be used to help her sign up uninsured Americans for
ObamaCare.
What’s wrong with that?
Over the past three months, Sebelius
has made multiple phone calls to health industry executives, community
organizations and church groups and asked that they contribute whatever they
can to nonprofit groups that are working to enroll uninsured Americans and
increase awareness of the law.
Sebelius did not solicit for funds
directly from industries that HHS regulates, such as insurance companies and
hospitals, but rather asked them to contribute in whatever way they can.
Did you mind Bush fundraising off of
groups he gave no bid contracts to?
9. The Pigford scandal:
Nothing to see there but in
YOUR minds.
The Congressional Research
Service reported that:
These statistics, however,
failed to recognize that many farms are operated by more than one farm
operator. In addition, it is important to note that there may be other reasons
for discrepancies between the number of farmers reflected in farm Census data
and the number of claimants under Pigford or Pigford II. For example,
individuals who attempted to farm but who were denied loans or other farm
assistance would not be counted as farmers but may have been or may be eligible
to file a claim under the terms of the two settlement agreements. Likewise, the
estate of a deceased individual who farmed or attempted to farm during the eligibility
period may be entitled to relief under either settlement, but such persons
would not be counted as farm operators. Finally, due to fraud or mistake, some
individuals who are not eligible may have filed or may file claims under
Pigford or Pigford II, but such claims would not be entitled to an award.
The REAL scandal was the way in
which they treated Shirley Sherrod.
TiredOfThemAll June 3rd, 2014 at 9:27 pm
10. GSA gone wild:
Did THAT come anywhere
close to memogate?
Or the DOJ completely botched
the nation’s first post-9/11 terrorism trial, as seen when the convictions of
three Detroit men allegedly linked to al-Qaida were overturned in September
2004. Former Attorney General John Ashcroft had claimed their June 2003
sentencing sent “a clear message” that the government would “detect, disrupt
and dismantle the activities of terrorist cells.”???
11. Veterans Affairs in Disney
World:
Compared to Cheney’s Dark
energy task force???
The Federal Advisory Committee Act says
the government must disclose the work of groups that include non-federal
employees; the suit claims energy industry executives were effectively task
force members. Oh, and the Bush administration has portrayed the Iraq war as a
response to 9/11, not something it was already considering.
Please.
12. Sebelius violates the Hatch
Act:
Report: George W. Bush aides
violated Hatch Act
A long-running federal
investigation has found that White House political aides to President George W.
Bush engaged in widespread violations of a federal law which limits partisan
political activity by government employees during the 2006 midterm elections.
A 118-page report issued
Monday by the little-known Office of Special Counsel cites numerous violations
of the Hatch Act by the Bush-era White House Office of Political Affairs. The
report concludes that federal taxpayers footed the bill for improper activities
that were intended to advance Republican political candidates.
“The entire [Office of
Political Affairs] staff was enlisted in pursuit of Republican success at the
polls and many OPA employees believed that effort was part of their official
job duties,” the report concludes. “Based on the extent of the activities
described below, OSC concludes that the political activities of OPA employees
were not incidental to their official functions, and thus U.S. Treasury funds
were unlawfully used to finance efforts to pursue Republican victories at the
polls in 2006.”
13. Solyndra:
Romney’s ` Konarka Technologies (You would have
voted for him, with no concerns.
Halliburton: pumping up
prices
In 2003, Halliburton
overcharged the army for fuel in Iraq. Specifically, Halliburton’s subsidiary
Kellogg, Brown & Root
Remember the soldiers getting
sick and electrocuted in KBR’s showers?
14. AKA Lisa Jackson:
Former EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson used the name
Intel
inside the White House
The
scandal: In early 2001, chief White House political strategist
Karl Rove held meetings with numerous companies while maintaining six-figure
holdings of their stock — including Intel, whose executives were seeking
government approval of a merger. “Washington hadn’t seen a clearer example of a
conflict of interest in years,” wrote Paul Glastris in the Washington Monthly.
15. The New Black
Panthers: The Justice Department was
1) Charges were dropped by
Bush.
2) Were they working for
the McCain campaign…
Trying to intimidate
likely Obama voters in a 99.9999% black and democratic polling place?
Meanwhile the REAL crime
went unnoticed by the right, (surprise!!!);
Arizona Daily Star: “[A]nti-immigrant activist” “stood by with a
firearm in a holster.” A November 8,
2006, Arizona Daily Star article reported
A crew of anti-immigrant activists,
meanwhile, visited several South Side polling places in what one poll-watch
group called a blatant attempt to intimidate Hispanic voters.
Anti-immigrant crusader Russ Dove
circulated an English-only petition, while a cameraman filmed the voters he
approached and Roy Warden stood by with a firearm in a holster.
Tucson Citizen: Incident “reported to the FBI.” A November 8, 2006, Tucson Citizen article
(from Nexis) reported that Mexican American Legal Defense Fund lawyer Diego
Bernal “said he reported the incident to the FBI.”
TiredOfThemAll June 3rd, 2014 at 9:28 pm
16. Waging war all by myself:
Obama may have violated the Constitution and both the letter and the spirit of
the War Powers Resolution by attacking Libya without Congressional approval.
Obama was well within his
rights as they were simply honoring the NATO treaty in enforcing the no fly
zone.
Compared to LYING about
Iraq??
Really???
17. Biden bullies the press:
Please;
An exclusive
report released Thursday by The Independent reveals that the White House and
U.S. State Department have launched a fierce battle against the release of a
four-year government-ordered investigation into the lead-up and aftermath of
British participation in a war now widely viewed in the UK as a catastrophe.
The inquiry,
led by Sir John Chilcot, is believed to take aim at the official version of
events, including misrepresentation of Iraq intelligence, as well as questions
about whether former British Prime Minister Tony Blair engaged in secret
negotiations with the Bush administration while lying to the British people.
Yet, the
U.S. government is forbidding the release of communications between Blair and
Bush in the lead-up to the war, declaring it classified information and
pressuring British Prime Minister David Cameron to wipe this information from
the report.
The Independent reports that the hidden
documents “are said to provide crucial evidence for already-written passages
that are highly critical of the covert way in which Mr Blair committed British
troops to the US-led invasion.”
Whistle-Blower Points to
Target List in US Attack on Palestine
Hotel, targeting journalists??
.
18. AKPD not A-OK:
Since I don’t see this
anywhere but on the right wing list of so called “scandals”, and other right
wing sites I don’t know if it’s true, but did you forget Bush Sr, using the
lobbying firm of Hill & Knowlton, to lie to
congress with the phony Nayirah incubator story when she was really Kuwait’s
Ambassador to the US’ daughter?
19. Sestak, we’ll take care
of you:
That is the most common
thing in politics.
Nothing at all wrong with
it.
The POTUS IS the head of the
party.
From Time;
If what the Obama administration did was impeachable, then Rep.
Issa might want to consider retroactive impeachment action against Ronald
Reagan, whose White House directly suggested to S.I. Hayakawa that he
would get an administration position if he would stay out of the Republican
primary for Senate in California; or call for an investigation and special
prosecutor of the Bush White House for discussing a Cabinet post with
Democratic Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska to clear the field for their
preferred Republican candidate Mike Johanns in 2006. At the same time, Issa
might want to call for expulsion of his Senate colleague Judd Gregg, who
insisted before he accepted the post of Commerce Secretary in the Obama
administration that there be a guarantee that his successor, appointed by a
Democratic governor, be a Republican.
20. I’ll pass my own laws:
So have ALL presidents;
The president, and DOJ have
authority to refuse To enforce unconstitutional laws;
1994 DOJ Memo Outlines
Circumstances In Which The President May Appropriately Decline To Enforce A
Statute That He Views As Unconstitutional.
The Clinton administration
didn’t defend a law requiring dismissal of HIV-positive service members.
George W. Bush didn’t defend
a law prohibiting the display of marijuana policy reform ads.
George H. W. Bush didn’t
defend federal statutes that
required minority preferences in broadcast licensing.
Statement on Signing the
Union Station Redevelopment Act of 1981, Pub. Papers of Ronald Reagan 1207
(Dec. 29, 1981): President Reagan stated that a legislative veto was
unconstitutional and announced that “[t]he Secretary of Transportation
will not . . . regard himself as legally bound by any such resolution.”
Id.
Statement On Signing the
National and Community Service Act of 1990, Pub. Papers of George Bush 1613
(Nov. 16, 1990): President Bush rejected the constitutionality of provisions
that required a Presidentially appointed board exercising executive authority
to include, among its 21 members, “seven members nominated by the Speaker
of the House of Representatives .
Ronald Reagan did not defend
a Congressional resolution vetoing an INS Deportation Decision.
Statement on Signing the
Union Station Redevelopment Act of 1981, Pub. Papers of Ronald Reagan 1207
(Dec. 29, 1981): President Reagan stated that a legislative veto was
unconstitutional and announced that “[t]he Secretary of Transportation
will not . . . regard himself as legally bound by any such resolution.”
Statement on Signing the
Department of Defense Appropriation Act of 1976, Pub. Papers of Gerald R. Ford
241 (Feb. 10, 1976): President Ford stated that a committee approval mechanism
was unconstitutional and announced that he would “treat the
unconstitutional provision . . . to the extent it requires further
Congressional committee approval, as a complete nullity.
21. The hacking of Sharyl
Attkisson’s computer:
You know who actually did
it?
We DO know that critics, including other Republican operatives, suspected Karl
Rove had bugged his own office to garner sympathy votes in the close governor’s
race.
We DO know that she and
Lara Logan have credibility problems.
She ALSO had motive.
We DO know that the Bush
administration bugged the UN.
22. An American Political
Prisoner:
Really????
After the arrests and detentions of 2001-2008???
REALLY????
Take it up with Judge Suzanne Segal (appointed in 2002, Bush??)
23. Gerald Walpin was
fired in 2009 because of a deterioration of the relationship between the IG and his agency.
And the documents also make clear that this deterioration had begun long before
the Obama administration existed.
Media profiles of Walpin now often
mention his nasty quip at a November 2005 luncheon when he introduced Mitt
Romney, then governor of Massachusetts, as the leader of a state dominated by
“the modern-day KKK … the Kennedy-Kerry Klan,” a reference to the Bay State’s
U.S. senators, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. Joking about Catholic politicians
belonging to the Klan is always obnoxious, but Walpin was guilty of worse than
poor taste.
Aside from its ferocious pursuit of
lawsuits against affirmative action, the Center for Individual Rights, where
Walpin served as director for many years, has displayed an enduring attraction
to academic racism, or at least to its practitioners. That attraction led CIR
to represent both Michael Levin, the notorious racist professor at the City
University of New York, and Linda Gottfredson, an obscure University of
Delaware professor whose negative research on African-Americans has made her a
heroine to racial extremists. To finance this kind of litigation, CIR accepted
thousands of dollars from the Pioneer Fund, a foundation dedicated to proving
that blacks are racially inferior to whites and Asians — in short, the
intellectual equivalent of the KKK.
Remember Bunatine Greenhouse??
Whistleblower ‘Bunny’ Greenhouse wins
settlement near $1 million
Greenhouse, who was the civilian
procurement executive for the agency, objected to KBR using its own cost
projections for a multi-year no-bid, no competition contract.
She initially objected within the
Corps, and later spoke to Congress about the contract. After she complained to
Congress, she was kicked out of the Senior Executive Service (SES) and stripped
of her top secret clearance.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/whistleblower-bunny-greenhouse-wins-settlement-near-1-million/2011/04/15/gIQANfFAbI_blog.html
I
Betcha don’t.
Obewon June 3rd, 2014 at 6:33 am
America via Qatari negotiators rapidly freed the POW over 4 days this past weekend when “Congress was Not in session Saturday & Sunday”. http://www.house.gov/legislative/date/2014-06-02 Universal obstructionists cry ‘Give the POW back to the Taliban. He shouldn’t be freed until at least July damn it!’ This kind of empty foolishness adding less than any value are why Limbaugh’s stations are the least performing in each market, and also why GOP TV ratings plummeted -27% May 2013-14 because of Felon Issa’s “0 indictment” Benghazi delusions. What does the Canadian say? -Ted Cruz: ‘U.S. policy has changed, now we make deals with terrorists’-False! http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/01/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-us-policy-has-changed-now-we-make-deals-t/
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:43 pm
Tell that to the mother’s who’s sons died trying to rescue this guy the week after he walked out on your country.
Obewon June 3rd, 2014 at 5:58 pm
0 died when POTUS Obama ‘Successfully Rescued This POW.’
A) Fox News Polls finds 63% think Congressional Republicans are using BenGhazi “for political gain”-May 14, 2014.
B) Future Shock ‘63%+ Are Certain Congressional RepubliKlans are using BerGdahl’ “for political gain”-2014.
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 6:06 pm
Obewon, you padawan–soldiers died when skipped out on his unit and they went to look for him. Your president releases 5 hard cores — who will kill more Americans. Moreover, he just encouraged the kidnapping of All Americans. But you already knew all that–intellectual dishonesty shows up that way. Get some moral fibre and let go of your insouciant approach to life. Moreover…leave your mother’s basement and try and get a job in Dear Leader’s economy.
A & B: Of course your opposition party will use both for political gain–doesn’t change them from true to false–it’s called politics.
Stop with the whining you sugar cookie.
Obewon June 3rd, 2014 at 6:16 pm
POTUS Obama successfully rescuing this POW 6 months before the Afghanistan war ends 12/31/14 has noting to do with your “#FoxFail” lack of logic e.g. When the Afghani war ends 12/31/14 what happens to ANY Taliban POW’s? A: Under the Geneva conventions, et al, all untried POW’s are released.
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 6:23 pm
Soldiers died on routine missions NOT because they went on a mad hunt for him. Soldiers where told to look for him IF they happen to be in the area where he may have been sighted.
Moreover conservatives are telling U.S soldiers that they would leave them behind on the battlefield for political reasons
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 6:37 pm
Obama and Clinton lied about Benghazi strictly because of politics. He knew that if the truth surfaced when it first happen he would not have been reelected. Instead they kept spinning the lie so the benefit of doubt kept his low-information voters in place.
William June 3rd, 2014 at 8:42 pm
Obama and Clinton lied about Benghazi strictly because of politics.
Yet despite 13 hearings and thousands of pages of documents, nobody is even close to being indicted or even credibly accused.
You right wing panty wastes and your trembling fear of Hilary is almost as hysterical as your deep rooted paranoia of a black man in charge.
On the plus side, your never ending whining and butt hurt is downright funny.
Now how is that Donald trump guys in Hawaii birth certificate investigation working out for you guys ?
Shades June 3rd, 2014 at 12:10 pm
That’s easy dearie. You remember signing statements, right? Bush signed 161 of them. So far, Obama has signed 27. From WaPo: Obama issued a signing statement contending that the notification requirement was an unconstitutional infringement on his powers as commander in chief and that he therefore could override it. Your “couple of questions” are awkwardly worded. Let me put it in simpler terms even you can understand. 1. There was no law during GWB’s tenure. 2. Obama did not BREAK THE LAW because of his previous signing statement. Read it and weep. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bergdahl-release-arrangement-could-threaten-the-safety-of-americans-republicans-say/2014/05/31/35e47a2a-e8ff-11e3-afc6-a1dd9407abcf_story.html
Scott Walter June 3rd, 2014 at 1:43 pm
Signing statements don’t trump the law, they are a sitting presidents pet peeve with a law passed. They do not carry an ounce of constitutionality. No, there was no such law under Bush. Yes Obama broke the law.
Bunya June 3rd, 2014 at 2:14 pm
President Obama didn’t notify congress in a timely manner? Of course, this is a major, unforgivable faux pas. I’m sure if he engaged in minor, inconsequential acts such as allowing attacks on US soil, instigating war with the wrong country, warrantless wiretapping, torturing detainees, etc., you’d be more inclined to give him a pass.
Shades June 3rd, 2014 at 2:33 pm
Yeah, good luck with that.
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:42 pm
You’re probably correct.
Raylusk June 3rd, 2014 at 12:46 pm
Ridiculously partisan attack on our President. Piss off traitor.
keefer1958 June 3rd, 2014 at 5:32 pm
NO.
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 6:31 pm
Do you really expect an honest answer? You must be new to this site because anyone who criticizes Obama’s performance is a bigot, racist, Islamophobe, homophobe, liar, hater, and other words that are not fit for print.
mea_mark June 3rd, 2014 at 6:36 pm
Unfortunately a lot of people that come here to criticize Obama’s performance are very short on relevant facts and take extreme partisan positions that they know will agitate people commenting here.
TiredOfThemAll June 3rd, 2014 at 6:57 pm
Do you really expect an honest answer? You must be new to this site because anyone who criticizes Obama’s performance is a bigot, racist, Islamophobe, homophobe, liar, hater, and other words that are not fit for print.
_______
Only those who say things like;
Jim Coughlan, a candidate for state Senate, told the black MSNBC
news anchor on Twitter, ‘Keep your stinking paws off my kid, you damned dirty
ape.’ The tweet was in response to remarks Harris-Perry made about
child-rearing.
Protesters
Greet Obama In Orlando With ‘Kenyan Go Home’ Signs
Florence SC Republican
Rep. Kris Crawford said Thursday he was telling a group of doctors the fight
over Medicaid was a political one. “it is good politics to oppose the
black guy in the White House”
“Bye Bye Black
Sheep,” the protestors shouted at one point, a reference to the
president’s skin color, according to the Arizona Republic.
The Chaffey Community Republican Women of California: A picture
in their regular newsletter of Barack Obama “Democratic presidential
candidate Barack Obama surrounded by a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried
chicken.”
Kansas House Speaker Mike O’Neal referred to Michelle Obama as
“Mrs. YoMama” in an email.
Republicanmarket selling Can We Still Call it the Whitehouse
buttons and the curious George doll, at state Republican conventions.
The cartoon eyes on the president’s photo page,
“GOP Rep. Behind “Great White Hope” Remark Voted For Bill With Same
Phrase
Dean Grose, mayor of Los Alamitos, sent around a picture of the
White House surrounded by a watermelon garden
Carried signs with Obama as an African witchdoctor
And on and on.
ESPECIALLY those who supported his policies when a Republican advocated for them.
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 9:29 pm
There you go again, redirecting. Pointing to bad behavior to justify bad behavior is the definition of moral relativism, which is defined as:
a : a theory that knowledge is relative to the limited nature of the mind and the conditions of knowing
b : a view that ethical truths depend on the individuals and groups holding them
TiredOfThemAll June 3rd, 2014 at 9:40 pm
Pointing to bad behavior to justify bad behavior is the definition of moral relativism, which is defined as:
_______
Not at all.
Just point out why people on YOUR side gets called racists and bigots.
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 10:07 pm
A racist is a conservative who is winning an argument with a liberal; right after the liberal runs out of talking points.
Liberals always label people they disagree with. If you’re for traditional marriage, they call you a homophobe. If you point out that an Islamic radical blew up innocent people in a market; and the moderate Muslims didn’t denounce it, you’re called a Islamophobe. You disagree with Obama’s failed policies, you’re a racist, and of course, when one of those labels don’t fit, then you’re a bigot.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 12:31 am
Exactly.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 6:57 am
A racist is a conservative who is winning an argument with a liberal; right after the liberal runs out of talking points.
______
A CONSERVATIVE racist is someone who engages in all the racist rhetoric I have posted before, (want more? I have pages), while contributing nothing to the policy argument.
You want to bash homosexuals and deny them the same rights as you enjoy, but no one better DARE call you a homophobe.
You want to pummel anyone who points out the support of radical Islam as a hedge against socialist secular governments over the past 60 years, while trashing moderate muslims, and ignoring their denouncement of terrorism, again, shall I post the pages and pages of denouncements I have?) , while establishing an entire market dedicated to pandering to the THEIR religion is bad OUR religion is good, but no one better DARE call you an Islamophobe.
You want to engage in an entire industry promoting the race based, Obama is not one of us, to flat out overt racism, with no substantive policy differences;
Again, YOUR side called Cap and Trade, “market solutions” when Bush Sr promoted it, and “Cap and Tax” when Obama, seeking a bipartisan solution, promotes it as a Republican idea that worked for sulfur dioxide, that will work for carbon emissions, YOUR side sponsors bill remarkably like the ACA, yet acts as though NOW it is the most radical.
Everything you whine about Obama, was done to much greater degrees by Bush, but then YOU questioned the patriotism of anyone who questioned Bush.
YOUR side is the one who follows the Newt Gingrich 1996 GOPAC memo, Language; A Key Mechanism of Control, telling you to use all the words and phrases that have become part of your routine repertoire… then you call liberals “lemmings” and sheep.
I’m sorry, but you show once again that almost EVERYTHING the right accuses the left of is EXACTLY what THEY are doing.
Neurotic projection is perceiving others as operating in ways one unconsciously finds objectionable in yourself.
Sorry, but your
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 12:30 am
LOL, your circular discussion makes Reason and Logic absolutely stare. They are called all those epitaphs because YOUR side calls them such.
Dude, take a logic course or some STEM classes–but stay away from those Grievance Studies courses.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 6:39 am
Do you have ANY idea what you are talking about?
They are called “those epitaphs” because YOUR side says things like ‘it is good politics to oppose the black guy in the White House”.
You rarely get to claim policy differences when YOUR side called Cap and Trade, “market solutions” when Bush Sr promoted it, and “Cap and Tax” when Obama, seeking a bipartisan solution, promotes it as a Republican idea that worked for sulfur dioxide, that will work for carbon emissions, while saying things like;Montana Chief U.S. District Richard Cebull, admitted on Wednesday
that he forwarded a racially-charged email implying that President Barack Obama
might have been the product of a sexual encounter between his mother and a dog.
YOUR side sponsors bill remarkably like the ACA, yet acts as though NOW it is the most radical, (remember , “This president needs to learn to be American”? … Of course you don’t.), and followed by common occurrences like;
Marilyn Davenport, a Tea Party activist and member of the Orange
County Republican Party’s central committee, is drawing fire from people in her
own party after circulating a racist email depicting President Barack Obama and
his parents as chimpanzees. In the email: “Now you know why — No birth
certificate!”
Sorry, but you don’t get to indulge in empty rhetoric on policy, overt racism, complaining about being called racist.
If you don’t like the epitaphs, then get your party under control.
Please.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
So your side does not have a lock on racism in your country–who knew ? Your comments are pretty rich coming from the party and faction that promoted slavery, KKK, Jim Crow and now subsidizes the quid pro quo “votes for benefits” plantation on which the democrats keep chained most of your Black population. Trillions in your War on Poverty–which was really a war on your minorities–has left them worse off than before.
Racist ? Sir, your party is the very definition of racism. Race is your central focus, what you wake and sleep with. The focus on race in the American left is legend and permeates and colors every discussion.
The few examples you cite are individuals–racism, for your party and the American left, is endemic. So hold that self-righteous attitude and look in the mirror. Lincoln would roll in his grave at your insipid words–if he actually cared.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
Your comments are pretty rich coming from the party and faction that promoted slavery, KKK, Jim Crow and now subsidizes the quid pro quo “votes for benefits”
_______
Are you kidding???
Thou dost project too much, Methinks.
1) The Civil Rights
Act of 1964;
Total Votes;
The House ;
Southern Democrats: 7–87
(7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10
(0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9
(94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24
(85–15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20
(5–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1
(0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45–1
(98–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27–5
(84–16%)
LBJ told Kennedy aide Ted Sorenson that “I know the risks are great and we might lose the South, but those sorts of states may be lost anyway.”
Then the most of those racist Democrats, (who were Democrats because the end of slavery damaged the economy of the south, and FDR’s policies did a lot to restore it), became Republicans, the “Southern Strategy” was born and the South
has been solidly Red ever since, and now the party of Lincoln and Union has become the party of Lincoln’s assassin and secession.
2) Sir??
I am a woman. See what happens when you assume?
3) Re; “plantation on which the democrats keep chained most of your Black population.”
So basically, you assume that the Black population is easily fooled into remaining on a “plantation”, and is too stupid to know with which party their best interests lie,…. but YOU know what is best for them.
And you call us racists?
Racist ? Sir, your party is the very definition of racism. Race is your central focus, what you wake and sleep with. The focus on race in the American left is legend.
3) The few examples I cite are mostly elected and other party officials, and I have tons more.
Want to see them???
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
Madam, from whence come your numbers ? Here is my citation; and yours ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
1) By party. Notice the % of democrats who resisted this act. It is as I stated: the party of racism. I’m curious why you resist history in this matter ? It remains as it has been taught across the world…why the sudden revisionism ?
The original House version:[19]
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[20]
Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
The Senate version:[19]
Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[19]
Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)
2. Your Blacks vote 90% + for your democrat party. If Whites voted for Republicans you would consider it racist.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 2:20 pm
1) My source is wiki.
What you are missing is that most of the difference between the Democrats and the Republicans was the South where Republicans made up only 10.6% of the House and 4% of the Senate, (one Republican senator from the South). They are now mostly Republicans.
A higher percentage of Northern Democrats voted for it as well.
2) What is a “democrat party”?
Is your knowledge of nouns v adjectives as limited as your knowledge history?
Or is that an example of the obedient repetition of pre approved right wing terminology?
Why wouldn’t 90% of “My blacks” vote for Democrats?
Through Democrats they got equal protection under the law, the right to vote, (along with federal protection), the right to organize, the right to attend school, a better shot at equal opportunity.
And I think it is YOUR Your quid pro quo ‘benefits for votes’ scam is resoundingly accepted.
The corporate welfare queens give money,and get the benefits.
3) I have cited many. If you doubt them, look it up.
For example; Florence SC Republican
Rep. Kris Crawford said Thursday he was telling a group of doctors the fight
over Medicaid was a political one. “it is good politics to oppose the black guy in the White House”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2997127/posts
Marilyn Davenport, a Tea Party activist and member of the Orange
County Republican Party’s central committee, is drawing fire from people in her
own party after circulating a racist email depicting President Barack Obama and
his parents as chimpanzees. In the email: “Now you know why — No birth
certificate!”
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/04/racist_orange_county_republica.php?page=3
Google what the other side says is what I do all the time , just in case.
4) What happened to Mr. King’s ‘content of character’ over race????
YOU guys trampled it into the ground on Tuesday, November 4, 2008.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 2:41 pm
Sorry, I could not find your (revisionist ?) numbers in wiki–I gave you my citation, please provide yours.
They are both your “democrat party” and “your Blacks” because it is “your” country–not mine. And of course Blacks vote for the hand that feeds them, kept as they are on your plantation. Why do you ask ? And what kind of party ‘keeps’ them in such a sordid condition and relationship. You have a lot to answer for.
Mr. King foresaw your day. And you. Respect for your president is not accorded him due to his color but is denied him according to his ideas and insipid actions. Pure and simple. Yet you never address his stupid moves, only his color–ergo, anyone who says anything against him is racist. You speak in terms of race but never ideas. Yes, Mr. King clearly saw you.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
My source is the same as yours.
You just left out the part about, ‘By party and region’.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
“because it is “your” country–not mine.”
I know.
You guys seem to only respect this country and it’s founding principles if you win an election.
As for; “And of course Blacks vote for the hand that feeds them…
Shows a real lack of respect for an entire race of your fellow Americans, (Oh, I forgot, only those who walk in lock step with you are your fellow Americans), which says something about YOUR character.
But that’s all right. That’s what we always say about the corporate moochers with their
tax increment financing, cost plus contracts, carried interest, deferred compensation, subsidies. property tax abatements and grant of public money to private businesses and other welfare checks.
” Respect for your president is not accorded him due to his color but is denied him according to his ideas and insipid actions.”
That’s EXACTLY what WE said about Reagan AND Bush.
We were called anti-American, terrorist lovers and traitors for questioning the president.
And I certainly wouldn’t be talking about Dr King if I were you, but I hope he saw me any my fellow Americans who have moved beyond the racism of the elders that are now the Tea people and that even today draw them now to the modern confederacy, that they call, The Real America, that they want to “take back”.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 3:08 pm
Madam, your histrionics leave your words open to interpretation as they are neither clear nor cogent. I shall do my best.
I am not American. I reside in Singapore, by way of Uruguay. You previously said something about assuming ?
What would YOU call it to see an easily identifiable group voting in “lockstep” (I like your word) for a single party, year after year, but only incrementally improving in situation, and all at a massive cost to all Americans ? The soft bigotry of low expectations you people employ with that community is the REAL racism. You appeal to the lowest in p
eople and buy their votes in the process.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 3:29 pm
I shall do my best.
I am not American. I reside in Singapore, by way of Uruguay
______
That is very nice.
I don’t know, nor do I care what your interest is, then.
My husband is an American citizen who came from India.
So what?
What I would call an easily identifiable group voting in “lockstep” for a single party, year after year, is a group who is well informed on the issues and know what happens when the other party is in power.
“only incrementally improving in situation, and all at a massive cost to all Americans” is YOUR opinion or wishful thinking.
When MY party has power, they tend to have more opportunity.
Poverty among blacks was 55 percent in 1959 and 41 percent in 1966. By 2009, the rate had fallen to 25.9 percent. For black single moms without a father present, the poverty rate fell from 70.6 and Poverty among the elderly has plummeted. In 1967, about 30% of seniors were below the poverty line. That was down to 13.2 percent by 2008 — a reduction by more than half.
That is why they vote the way they do.
I think it is clearly the Republicans who appeal to the “lowest” in people; fear and loathing of everyone who is not exactly like them.
Again, your contempt for people and your belief that they are so stupid and easily manipulated says a lot about you.
“When people show you who they are, believe them the first time.”
~Maya Angelou
percent in 1959 and 65.3 in 1966 to 39.8 percent in 2009.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 3:47 pm
Madam, your party has been in power for almost 6 years. Let’s see where America’s Blacks are right now–has their lot improved or gotten worse (you already know the answer):
* http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/22/black-grads-doubleunemployment.html
* https://www.google.com/search?q=african+american+unemployment+rate+by+age&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=K3SPU_GLCcj6oASmk4HQAg&ved=0CDMQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=707
I can pull story after story of Black unemployment rates since Dear Leader took over. But so can you.
Clearly Blacks are FAR worse off under your party leadership than otherwise.
Let’s get something straight about the soft bigotry of YOUR low expectations and the quid pro quo “benefits for votes” cycle you’ve trapped these poor people into: It is YOU who believes they cannot do without Affirmative Action, EBT cards, etc. It is YOU who thinks they need a hand out–one that traps them into a life of taking.
Me ? I believe they can make it just like anyone else. I don’t know them but I know human nature and they can make it–what ? You don’t ? You think they cannot improvise, adapt or overcome ? Why ? Right, anything you answer will smack of racism.
If you have a child, consider what you would do to him/her were you to carry her most of her life. Her legs would atrophy, she’d never be able to walk, you’d end up carrying her forever. This is the story of the Democrat Party and America’s Blacks. Generations enslaved and trillions wasted. You’re very generous with other people’s money–typical socialist.
Now, having said that, I don’t decry your misplaced charity–or at least I understand it. And this brings us to a major difference in belief between liberals and conservatives: You believe you’re doing good; Conservatives believe you’re holding them back. Whether you know it or not, you’ve atrophied Black’s ability to escape the Democrat plantation. Your leadership has harnessed them to the vote plow–and all for a ‘mess of potage.’
Right now your partisanship is clouding your vision. Later tonight, as you ponder these truths, maybe you will shake off your own scales so you can help Blacks shake off the chains I’ve described.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 4:15 pm
Everyone is worse off now and has been since Reagan.
My party has been in power for 6 years????
You mean the 2 years between 2008 and 2010?
With all the conservative Democrats, AFTER the crash of 2008 when the economy contracted 8.9% in Q4 ’08, 6.7% in Q1 ’09, after 8 years of; Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
Spare me the hooey.
Your own links don’t support what you say.
And just because you repeat ” quid pro quo “benefits for votes” doesn’t give it meaning.
You show over and over with your fantasies about “these poor people” again and again that you have absolute contempt for them and assume that they are too stupid to know for whom to vote.
I don’t think you know what socialism is anymore than you know the name of my political party.
And by the way, what is the excuse for the poor whites in the red state and THEIR EBT cards??
It’s funny that Gingrich said, that ” black Americans should demand jobs, not food stamps.”, at a time when Iowans were disproportionally receiving food stamps.
Funny that he would not have gone to Iowa and said that “Iowans should demand jobs, not food stamps.”
That’s the racist dog whistle.
Meanwhile;
We asked the U.S.
Department of Agriculture’s Food and Nutrition service for month-by-month figures going back to January 2001. And they show that under President George W. Bush the number of recipients rose by nearly 14.7 million. Nothing before comes close to that.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-01-18/fact-check-gingrich-obama-food-stamps/52645882/1
Perhaps if we could fix the private for profit prison system;
Although
crack and cocaine are virtually the same thing, Congress has assigned far
harsher penalties to crimes involving crack, a drug primarily associated with
people of color
Crack
is the only drug with a mandatory prison sentence for a first offense simple
possession.
Blacks (5.2%) and Hispanics (4.2%) stopped by
police while driving are more likely than Whites (2.6%) to be arrested.
In other words, Blacks composed 11.6% of drivers
stopped by police, but represented 19.9% of the drivers arrested. Hispanics
were 8.4% of drivers stopped by police, but 11.7% of those arrested. Whites, on
the other hand, are 77% of stopped drivers but only 66.3% of drivers arrested.
People of color face harsher treatment in court.
Blacks are more likely to be sentenced to prison
for the same crime than Whites. One third of people of color sentenced to
prison would have received a shorter or non-incarcerative sentence if they had
been treated in court the same way as White defendants facing similar charges.
Black youth are more likely to be detained than
White youth. Moreover, Black youth with no prior admissions were six times more
likely to be incarcerated in a juvenile facility than a White youth with a
similar history. Latino youth were three times more likely to be imprisoned.
Among persons over age 24, Blacks (11.2%) were
significantly more likely to be pulled over while driving than Whites (8.9%).
Among drivers stopped for speeding, Blacks (75.7%)
and Hispanics (79.4%) were more likely than Whites (66.6%) to be ticketed
Police were more likely to conduct a search of the
vehicle and/or driver in traffic stops involving Black male drivers (15.9%) or
Hispanic male drivers (14.2%), compared to White male drivers (7.9%).
http://sites.duke.edu/nchumanrights/incarceration-and-criminal-justice/
jasperjava June 3rd, 2014 at 8:17 pm
“Was there a law in place that said GWB had to notify the Congress 30 days in advance”
of course not. Congress under B*sh was far more compliant, and literally let him get away with mass-murder.
But under Obama, the shrieking hyenas in Congress will do ANYTHING to hamstring him, even at the expense of national security and the interests of the American people.
mea_mark June 3rd, 2014 at 8:31 pm
A repost from another thread but applicable here —
The law was not constitutional to begin with. The law cannot take away the separation of the powers between the different branches of government. If congress wanted the law to be enforceable they should of done their job the right way and wrote one that was constitutional. They didn’t, they failed, so Obama wrote a signing statement when he signed it stating that if time was of the essence he would act accordingly. It is the presidents job to make quick decisions when quick decisions are required. It is what the president is supposed to do.
William June 3rd, 2014 at 12:49 am
Well it’s about time George got some recognition.
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 6:25 pm
In the first seven-plus years of war in Afghanistan (October 2001 – December 2008) we lost 630 U.S. soldiers. In early 2009, the Obama administration authorized the implementation of the COIN (Counter-Insurgent) strategy, more focused on “winning hearts and minds” than winning a war, and over the next five years, the U.S. death toll nearly tripled.
Seventy-three percent of all U.S. deaths in Afghanistan have taken place since 2009. In the first seven plus years of war in Afghanistan, 2,638 U.S. soldiers were wounded in action. In the next forty-five months (2009 – 2012) an additional 15,036 suffered the same fate.
Read more at http://allenbwest.com/2014/02/us-military-deaths-afghanistan-skyrocket-obama/#r2FLMrrqaK1hhQtE.99
William June 3rd, 2014 at 8:36 pm
How convenient that you left out the entire Iraq debacle.
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 10:28 pm
You already covered Iraq, so I wanted to keep it fair and balanced.
kadepro June 3rd, 2014 at 12:58 pm
The current POTUS is the problem with America. Releasing the Afghans in trade for a traitor, is bargaining with terrorists. PLUS, it’s all a diversion from the VA fiasco. Slight of hand takes the heat of our miserable president.
Bunya June 3rd, 2014 at 1:59 pm
Give me a break! You clowns will use any/every opportunity to bash the president with unsubstantiated RW crapola talking points. In case you forgot, the VA fiasco was a huge problem under Dubya’s administration. You didn’t notice it because the media was too busy distracting the public with stories of fictitious WMD’s and “smokin’ gun/mushroom cloud” scenarios.
Bob Waas Sr. June 3rd, 2014 at 6:22 pm
Liberal SOP. Point to other bad decisions to justify another. The liberals have been carrying on about Bush 43 decisions 5 years after he left office, but applaud Obama for making those same bad decisions again.
You brag that Clinton had a balanced budget and surplus (while GOP held majority in Congress), yet Obama didn’t copy anything Clinton did…Why?
You keep making excuses for Obama when the evidence shows that he didn’t learn anything from history, or specifically those things he railed against.
Now the evidence is showing that Obama freed 5 high level terrorists for a deserter that may be responsible for the death of several soliders who were sent to find him.
Bunya June 4th, 2014 at 10:27 am
I’m no apologist for Obama, given that he failed to pursue the last administration for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Clinton also didn’t pursue alleged wrongdoing by the Reagan administration. I’ll be the first to admit the democrats have no spine when it comes to political payment. Not so the GOP. They were willing to embarrass this country by spending taxpayer money to investigate a BJ.
But more to the point, do you have any proof that Bergdahl is a deserter or do you always trash our troops at every opportunity? Do you have any proof that the freed “terrorists” were responsible for any deaths? I didn’t think so.
Run along now Bob. Remember, there’s only 5 months left before the “war on Christmas” heats up again. You’d better get started planning your “attack” on those godless heathens.
Bob Waas Sr. June 4th, 2014 at 12:08 pm
Are you calling the men from Bergdahl’s troop liars? I’m using eye witness accounts to conclude that Bergdahl is less than the hero Susan Rice paints him out to be.
It is sad the left doesn’t find it reprehensible for the POTUS to disgrace the office of president by having an affair with an intern in the Oval office, and then lying about it. Then you go on to say the GOP embarrassed the USA by investigating. You have totally lost your moral guidance system.
As for proof that the terrorists who you are so quick to defend, committed any murders, makes me want to ask; “why were they captured?” Perhaps it was for running a lemonade stand without a license. “According to a 2008 Pentagon dossier on Guantanamo Bay inmates, all five men released were considered to be a high risk to launch attacks against the United States and its allies if they were liberated.”
It is funny that the cry to release Gitmo prisoners was from the left and after Bush did so they criticized him when it showed the recidivism rate was what the objectors projected.
If you want Christians to be silent about the attack against Christmas, we will do so when you show the same hostility towards Islam, Judaism, Hindu and all the rest. I have an even better idea; how about we only allow decorations on public land that have been designated as a national holiday. It will take all the debate out of the subject.
Bunya June 4th, 2014 at 12:33 pm
“I’m using eye witness accounts…”
And I’m saying wait until the facts come in before trashing one of our soldiers on “something you heard”
“It is sad the left doesn’t find it reprehensible…”
And I find it reprehensible that you think a BJ is a more serious offense than war crimes and crimes against humanity.
“why were they captured?”
They were captured on SUSPICION of terrorism. They weren’t convicted of anything.
“If you want Christians to be silent about the attack against Christmas…”
First of all, the United States is a secular country (you can find the definition of “secular” in the dictionary). Second of all, you so-called christians started this annual fictitious war on Christmas. Not the Muslims, not the Jews, not the Hindus. Seems the Christians are the only folks who harbor an inferiority complex, and one can only help himself in cases like this..
Bob Waas Sr. June 4th, 2014 at 6:04 pm
America wasn’t a secular country until secular progressive liberals declared it to be so. It was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs. If you don’t think so, please explain how we recognize Christmas as a national holiday. How come God, Judge, Creator is mentioned so often in our founding documents?
You may want to read Principles of Liberty in our Founding Documents http://www.nccs.net/2009-11-principles-of-liberty-in-our-founding-documents.php
Here is some evidence for America’s Christian Heritage: http://toptenproofs.com/article_christianheritage.php
Further evidence that our founding fathers did not want God left out when forming our great nation is every state mentions God in their preamble to their constitution. http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/god-constitutions.htm#.U4-NxelOXmQ
The God they reference is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and is the same God worshipped by Christians and Jews; and not a god worshipped by any of the other religions of the world.
arc99 June 4th, 2014 at 6:34 pm
None of your references have the force of law. Only one document, the United States Constitution carries the force of law, and in that document, the word “god” does not appear in any article, amendment, or section upon which our laws are based.
A document that makes no mention whatsoever of god, and references religion only to emphasize that all beliefs are equal under the law, is about as secular as it gets.
Guest June 4th, 2014 at 8:46 pm
We weren’t talking about the force of law. We were talking about the moral guidelines that were followed in the forming of the country. For the record, I don’t personally know any Christians or Jews who want the government to endorse a particular religion.
All one has to do is look at countries where that is the norm (Islamic nations) and you would have to be crazy to want any religion to be the governing body. The founding fathers escaped from British rule where they didn’t have religious freedom. The Constitution clearly prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion. It does not make the celebration of religious holidays on government land a violation; it is meant as a joyful time available to all who choose to participate. Obama and presidents before him host an end to Ramadan dinner and I don’t hear the ACLU complaining. However, if a town has as a symbol in their documents of an image of a cross that has been in place from their inception the atheist and ACLU sue to have it removed.
Perhaps you missed this explanation: “There is a notion today that the Declaration of Independence is not really a part of American jurisprudence and that the principles contained therein cannot be referred to as a basis of American law. This line of thought is usually concluded by saying that if a principle cannot be found in the Constitution, such as a belief in a Creator, it is not part of American culture or law. This idea is blatantly false. The Declaration of Independence has been repeatedly cited by the Supreme Court as part of the fundamental law of the United States of America . (See John Eidsmoe, Christianity and the Constitution , pages 360-362)
arc99 June 4th, 2014 at 9:16 pm
some author’s OPINION does not prove a darn thing.
please provide a citation of a Supreme Court case where the majority decision cited the Declaration of Independence as the prevailing tenet of law for the case being decided.
or did you just copy/paste your last paragraph without first finding out what is written in those pages 360-362?
http://www.nccs.net/2009-11-principles-of-liberty-in-our-founding-documents.php
and to enlighten you on the ACLU
http://gazette.com/article/105986
The American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado said Thursday it opposes Colorado Springs School District 11’s decision to bar students from wearing the rosary outside their shirts during school hours.
“The First Amendment protects the right of students to express their faith by wearing crosses, rosaries and religious symbols without interference from school officials,” said Mark Silverstein, ACLU legal director.
EstebanCafe June 5th, 2014 at 1:24 am
Since when is your Declaration of Independence the “prevailing tenet of law” ? You try awfully hard to sound smart, but I worry that you are an empty suit, like your Dear Leader.
jasperjava June 5th, 2014 at 1:57 am
As a white supremacist, you would say that.
jasperjava June 5th, 2014 at 2:03 am
I don’t think EstebanCafe can read. First he posts a Wikipedia page listing the colleges attended by all the US presidents and the degrees they received, and he says that President Obama’s name wasn’t in it. I think he must have a severe psychological aversion to Barack Obama’s name, because it was actually listed FIVE TIMES.
Now he claims that arc99 says that the Declaration of Independence has the force of law, which is exactly OPPOSITE of what arc99 meant in asking the question he did.
Then he makes a racially-charged comment, implying that Black people are stupid. His bigotry is transparent.
jasperjava June 5th, 2014 at 2:06 am
More and more, I suspect that EstebanCafe is one of those Russian trolls being paid by Vladimir Putin to post on western websites.
He seems a little bit “off”. Not quite the regular mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging moron of the American Right, but not quite familiar with things that are common knowledge.
mea_mark June 5th, 2014 at 7:34 am
Very doubtful he is Russian troll. Probably foreign Hispanic here in the states.
TiredOfThemAll June 5th, 2014 at 7:41 am
He/she told me they were from Singapore;
More Than 500 Gitmo Detainees Released Under Bush, One Suspected In Benghazi Attack
EstebanCafe replied to you · 17 hours ago
Madam, your histrionics leave your words open to interpretation as they are neither clear nor cogent. I shall do my best.
I am not American. I reside in Singapore, by way of Uruguay.
mea_mark June 5th, 2014 at 7:47 am
I don’t believe it. Things don’t add up.
arc99 June 5th, 2014 at 7:45 pm
I don’t have a Dear Leader.
I did not say the Declaration of Independence was a prevailing tenet of the law.
and since you want to talk trash, you sound mighty stupid and I would wager it does not take much trying from you at all, it comes naturally to you.
better an empty suit than your predicament which is an empty head capable of nothing but mindless bullsh*t based on laughably inaccurate assumptions and inability to read what others in this forum write.
yes, you spit in my face, rhetorically and I spit right back..idiot..
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 9:26 pm
However, if a town has as a symbol in their documents of an image of a cross that has been in place from their inception the atheist and ACLU sue to have it removed.
_______
The ACLU has gone to bat for a lot of Christians.
Here’s about 1% of the list, one only has to google to link
to the cases.
The ACLU of Southern California (2008) filed suit on behalf of
members of a faith-based charity organization after park rangers threatened to
arrest the members for serving hot meals and distributing Bibles to the
homeless on Doheny State Beach.
The ACLU of Louisiana (2008) filed a brief before the U.S. Court of
Appeals for the Fifth Circuit supporting an individual’s right to quote Bible
verses on public streets in Zachary, Louisiana.
The ACLU of Wisconsin (2007) filed a friend-of-the-court brief
arguing that individual pharmacists should be able to refuse to fill
prescriptions that violate their religious scruples, provided that patients can
obtain prescriptions from willing providers in a safe and timely manner.
The ACLU of New Jersey (2007) defended the right of an elementary school
student who was prohibited from singing “Awesome God” in a voluntary,
after-school talent show for which students selected their own material. The
ACLU submitted a friend-of-the-court brief. After a favorable settlement was
reached for the student, the federal lawsuit was dismissed.
The ACLU of Louisiana (2006) prevailed in its lawsuit defending the
right of a Christian man to exercise his religious and speech rights by
protesting against homosexuality in front of a Wal-Mart store with a sign that
read: “Christians: Wal-Mart Supports Gay Marriage and Gay Lifestyles.
Don’t Shop There.”
The ACLU of Nevada (2006) defended the free exercise and free speech
rights of evangelical Christians to preach on the sidewalks of Las Vegas. When
the County government refused to change its unconstitutional policy, the ACLU
filed suit in federal court.
ACLU
Cases Defending Religious Freedom
The ACLU of Southern California (2008) filed
suit on behalf of members of a faith-based charity organization after park
rangers threatened to arrest the members for serving hot meals and distributing
Bibles to the homeless on Doheny State Beach.
The ACLU of Louisiana (2008) filed a brief before the U.S. Court of
Appeals for the Fifth Circuit supporting an individual’s right to quote Bible
verses on public streets in Zachary, Louisiana.
The ACLU and the ACLU of Texas(2008) filed a friend-of-the-court
brief in the Texas Supreme Court in support of mothers who had been separated
from their children by the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services
(DFPS). The DFPS seized more than 450 children from their homes in Eldorado,
Texas following vague allegations about child abuse by some members of the
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. While fully
supporting the state’s commitment to protecting children from abuse, the ACLU
argued that Texas law and the U.S. Constitution required that the children be
returned unless the state could provide the requisite evidence of abuse.
Neither Texas law nor the U.S. Constitution allows the state to separate
children and their parents based on purported cultural harm alone or on the
state’s disapproval of the families’ religious beliefs. In May 2008, the Texas
Supreme Court unanimously ruled, consistent with the ACLU position, that the
state must return the children to their homes pending further investigation of
allegations of abuse.
The ACLU of Florida (2007) argued in favor of the right of Christians
to protest against a gay pride event held in the City of St. Petersburg. The
City had proposed limiting opposition speech, including speech motivated by
religious beliefs, to restricted “free speech zones.” After receiving
the ACLU’s letter, the City revised its proposed ordinance.
The ACLU of Oregon (2007) defended the right of students at a private
religious school not to be pressured to violate their Sabbath day by playing in
a state basketball tournament. The Oregon School Activities Association scheduled
state tournament games on Saturdays, the recognized Sabbath of students and
faculty of the Portland Adventist Academy. The ACLU argued that the school’s
team, having successfully made it to the tournament, should not be required to
violate their religious beliefs in order to participate.
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2014 at 4:48 pm
explained perfectly.. luv it . It wont matter to Bob he makes up his own truth
Bob Waas June 4th, 2014 at 9:40 pm
We weren’t talking about the force of law. We were talking about the moral guidelines that were followed in the forming of the country. For the record, I don’t personally know any Christians or Jews who want the government to endorse
a particular religion.
All one has to do is look at countries where that is the norm (Islamic nations) and you would have to be crazy to want any religion to be the governing body.
The founding fathers escaped from British rule where they didn’t have religious freedom. The Constitution clearly prohibits the making of any law respecting an
establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion. It does not make the celebration of religious holidays on government land a violation; it is meant as a joyful time available to all who choose to participate. Obama and
presidents before him host an end to Ramadan dinner and I don’t hear the ACLU complaining. However, if a town has as a symbol in their documents of an image of a cross that has been in place from their inception the atheist and ACLU sue
to have it removed.
Perhaps you missed this explanation: “There is a notion today that the Declaration of Independence is not really a part of American jurisprudence and that the principles contained therein cannot be referred to as a basis of American law. This line of thought is usually concluded by saying that if a principle cannot be found in the Constitution, such as a belief in a Creator, it is not part of American culture or law. This idea is blatantly false. The Declaration of Independence has been repeatedly cited by the Supreme Court as part of the fundamental law of the United States of America . (See John
Eidsmoe, Christianity and the Constitution , pages 360-362)
How do you explain each state giving homage to God in their Constitutions? Where did they get that notion?
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 6:38 pm
America was founded as a secular nation.
“The purpose of separation of church and state is to
keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.”
-Madison 1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches
We recognize Christmas because in 1870, an Illinois representative introduced to the House of Representatives a bill to declare several days federal holidays. The bill’s language was approved by the House and the Senate, and signed into law by President Ulysses S. Grant in late June 1870. It included Jan. 1, July 4, Thanksgiving Day and Dec. 25 as holidays.
If you read the language of the bill, it’s clear that Congress chose dates commonly celebrated as holidays by the American people, not for religious reasons but because of a history of recognition and celebration on those dates.
Much of what you call Judeo Christian were also in the Bhagavad Gita and the Code of Hammurabi.
Actually, of the 10 commandments, the only one we do not adopt as law are the ones pertaining to religion.
Bob Waas June 4th, 2014 at 10:22 pm
I’m not sure what war crimes you are talking about, or crimes against humanity, but it is sad that your morals don’t define what Clinton did as reprehensible and a disgrace to the office of the POTUS. Is that the new standard for behavior we should expect of our leaders? Weren’t you one of those who thought it was disgusting when Senator Craig was arrested for tapping his foot in a rest room stall? If was far from what Clinton did.
The terrorists were captured on the battle field and were engaged in an activity designed to kill Americans. You’re in the majority with this one. Even Obama said it is possible that they could get back in the field. In case you missed the headlines.
“Obama admits that Taliban prisoner swap for Bergdahl could put Americans in danger”
The President defended his decision to swap five terrorists from Guantanamo Bay to free Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. But he also acknowledged that the Taliban fighters could once again engage in efforts that are detrimental to U.S. security.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-bergdahl-deal-circumstances-american-soldier-back-article-1.1814986#ixzz33jAGFowB
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 12:26 am
So, presidents use new stories to distract the public from their current debacles ? But not Obama ?
You’re Speaking out of both sides of your empty head, my friend.
Bunya June 4th, 2014 at 10:28 am
I’ve noticed you RWNJ’s are experts at projecting.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
“That all presidents distract from a news cycle” was my comment…how is that projecting ?
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Bunya June 4th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
I was talking about your “empty head” comment. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. This president hasn’t said anything that I’m aware of that can be construed as “distracting”.
If you’re talking about Benghazi, this is the same whine of which the GOP will not let go. They have nothing, but are forever looking.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
Benghazi ? So, let me get this straight: it was a video that set off the terrorists on the anniversary of 9/11 ?
Yet the administration put EVERYONE would be a witness under non-disclosure ? Is that because their stories would comport with the Hillary/Rice version of the story ? Riiiight.
But let’s not discuss WHAT happened that night with 4 men calling for help (“We, uh, uh, uh, don’t leave behind Americans” – the Big O). If Bush had stuttered or mispronounced half as bad as Big O the criticism would have been legit (Marine Corpse, LOL). He’s a moron, but he’s a Black moron, so Nothing can be said lest one be called a racist.
LOL, your naiveté is matched only by that of your president’s. I sure hope they get to the bottom of this before the next election.
Bunya June 4th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
We’ll never know what really happened on 9/11 because Dubya and the Dickster testified “in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors”. Nope, no cover up here.
As for Benghazi, I’m sure you have solid proof that it’s one big coverup because it would reveals something the administration doesn’t want known. Riiiiiight. And I’m sure the American taxpayer doeesn’t mind spending millions investigating Darryl Issa’s (and the GOP in general) wet dream.
Now who’s being naive? And it’s comforting to know that you’ve taken notice of the president’s skin color. It makes all your accusations seem so much more… plausible.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 3:00 pm
Wow, right to race again, eh ? To focus so much on race would make someone, wait for it: Racist. Congrats, you’re a typical American Leftist: unable to see yourself in your own accusation.
You still do not address the “video” excuse, why ? Because it is so laughable that not even you believe that. Hold. DO you believe it ?? Now we drill down on whether, as Ms. Clinton once stated, you can “suspend your disbelief” enough to endorse the Vid scam or not. Are you so craven as to support what you know is crap for the sake of partisanship, or will you disown it and her with it ? C’mon Bunnya, let’s hear you endorse that tripe. Try not equivocate, a simple “Yes I believe it !” or “No, I don’t believe it, here’s why I think she’s saying that” will suffice.
Why the red herring of Bush and Cheney–they are in no way related to your president’s latest debacle. He’s just keeps giving one after another.
Bunya June 4th, 2014 at 3:37 pm
“Wow, right to race again, eh ?”
You’re the one bringing up the president’s race. Remember? You called him a “BLACK moron”. Now why did you find it necessary to express the fact that he was black? Did you think that, after 6 years, We didn’t notice?
“You still do not address the ‘video’ excuse, why ?”
So? It doesn’t matter what I think about Ms Clinton or what she meant. Where’s your proof? You RWNJ’s love to go on, ad naueium, about Benghazi and are forever coming up empty-handed. Speculation does not create fact. I’ll make you a deal. When you produce concrete evidence that this president is “hiding something” or there is some whacko conspiracy thing going on here, let me know and I’ll issue a formal apology. I’m not holding my breath.
“Why the red herring of Bush and Cheney…”
You’re the one that brought up 9/11. Do you suffer from Alzheimer’s disease? I only ask because you can’t seem to remember what you said two minutes earlier.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
Bunnya, I thought IQ’s may have dropped since the last time I was in USA–don’t try and single handedly prove it. I’ll note your intellectual dishonesty and try to overlook it this time, but please try and keep up.
I preface president with “Black” because that is the supposed bullet-proof protection against criticism of his stupid moves. YOU are the one who keeps bringing up race then decrying it when I use the same term.
Ms. Clinton matters as she is likely to be your next president–please don’t act coy and dense–it’s not becoming. If you can help it, I mean.
When your president and his administration put everyone related to Benghazi under a gag order one must ask why. Your lack of curiosity in this matter bespeaks your partisanship…or lack of intelligence.
Bunya June 4th, 2014 at 4:35 pm
You have only mindless allegations that you’re throwing out as “proof”, and you accuse me of intellectual dishonesty. I’m not surprised really. I’ve come to expect that type of response from conservatives who have no case.
I’d like you to point out one instance where I’ve thrown out the race card. Again you create accusations and pass them off as proof. You apparently have no shame – or credibility for that matter.
Once again, you have no cogent response to legitimate questions so you resort to ad hominem attacks. Typical.
When people like Darryl Issa keep requesting proof to verity the proof he already possesses, speaks volumes as to the actual reason he’s keeping this dead horse on life support. Your failure to provide actual proof in this matter, relying solely on heresay, proves your lack of intelligence and gullibility.
EstebanCafe June 5th, 2014 at 1:21 am
“Mindless” ? LOL. I hope you’re not representative of the Left in your country, but I despair that you are. Sir, when your ‘team’ puts everyone under a gag order you have no call to demand ‘proof’ that cannot be forthcoming due to said gag order. Yet you still remain strangely incurious about WHY there is a gag order–especially if the Benghazi murders are due to a simple video…then why the gag order ? Start asking some questions–and don’t remain a “mindless” drone.
Bunya June 5th, 2014 at 10:16 am
Why are you here posting mindless nonsense? If you are so certain that the president is “hiding something”, then work to unearth this fictitious evidence instead of criticizing those that don’t understand, and have no inclination to understand, your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 2:03 pm
So you recognized the “empty head” comment ? Good, it’s not so empty as I thought. I apologize.
barack obama June 4th, 2014 at 9:38 pm
Yeh. It’s all Bush’s fault. Obama is pure as the driven snow, and anything that goes wrong when Obama is president is Bush’s fault. Obama can do no wrong because Bush was the antichrist, and at worse Obama is just an innocent demon too clueless to ever really do anything wrong.
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 6:16 pm
Yes Obama planned it all! He arranged for Bowe Bergdah to be held as a prisoner of war so that he could release taliban prisoners of war to Qatar because Gitmo is shutting down anyway . Allllll in order to divert attention from the VA fiasco.
We should have seen it coming! After all Obama did the same thing when he time traveled back in time and planted his birth announcement in the paper in Hawaii.
These black Presidents can be sneaky huh?
Obewon June 3rd, 2014 at 6:39 pm
Andy & Bunya lets hope they don’t figure out the only Afghanistan US POW’s “FREEDOM!” is all carefully planned to divert from a consenting 22 year old “PATRIOTS” BJ from almost two decades ago!
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2014 at 2:23 pm
still laughing about “patriots” bj some things are to dayum funny!
William June 3rd, 2014 at 9:12 pm
I thought he did all that to divert attention away from Benghazi and death camps.
barack obama June 4th, 2014 at 9:37 pm
Just frosting on the cake for Obama as he moves from one scandal to the next. After ten scandals no one remembers the first 8.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 9:57 pm
Lots of scandals in right wing fantasy land.
But that’s what many people said about Bush and Reagan.
craig7120 June 4th, 2014 at 10:06 pm
His slow response to Katrina is the only scandal I will give him credit for admitting that he dropped the ball.
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2014 at 2:21 pm
moving from one scandal to the next aka ignoring conservatives desperate attempts to smear obama at any cost to the country or its people.
I dont like some things Obama does .. I like others. But one thing Im proud of is the fact that he has been able to get so many good things done despite unprecedented levels of conservative obstructionism. You actually think the endless meaningless partisan hearings that go on for ever are going to go down in history as as GOOD thing? please
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 12:56 pm
True enough. But you sure sound like a racist.
barack obama June 4th, 2014 at 9:36 pm
If you ever criticize a black person, you’re racist. If you are critical of blacks and are half white, then you become a full white. You need to read the memos and keep up with the talking points. Whites are racist. Blacks are innocent victims of racism. It’s that simple, as simple as black and white.
barack obama June 4th, 2014 at 9:32 pm
Obama first planned for the Taliban Five to be released in exchange for a kidnapped Ambassador Stevens, but Stevens died. Al Qaida got a little overly aggressive and didn’t follow the script. Then Obama had to come up with Plan B. Obama took nearly two years to find an alternative strategy, trade the Five for Bergdahl and pretend we even want Bergdahl back. Harry Reid loved it and supports releasing the Five regardless of what we got in return. Obama really just wanted to release all terrorists, but he needed some pretext to do it. Bergdahl was all he had, so he went with getting back a scumbag. The plan was to release all terrorists. Obama keeps trying. He thought getting an American, or someone who was born here would look good. Obama really didn’t think the plan out completely.
Infidel June 3rd, 2014 at 3:32 pm
Wow, I’ve stumbled upon the motherload cesspool of liberal maggots. I need a shower after visiting this page. Keep on apologizing for this golfer-in-chief you all worship.
arc99 June 3rd, 2014 at 3:53 pm
try removing your cranium from your rectum before posting here. ok?
thanks…
mea_mark June 3rd, 2014 at 4:05 pm
Ooops, I missed one. Sometimes they sneak past.
barack obama June 4th, 2014 at 9:29 pm
Maybe you should advise obama to take his head out of his rectum before going on TV? that would improve his grasp of issues.
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:40 pm
Sure, and that makes it right to release 5 more terrorists ? Seems like you’d be pitching a royal fit…but no: moral equivocation.
The left pressures the Bush Administration to release all the terrorists then cries foul when they get back into the war.
Chinese Democracy June 3rd, 2014 at 6:19 pm
prove anyone released was a terrorist. They where Taliban not al queda
They where prisoners of war. They have to be released as the war ends anyway.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 12:24 am
See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_alleged_to_have_returned_to_terrorism
I do not believe they are classified as prisoners of war, but “enemy combatants.”
Why does a foreigner have to do your research for you ?
Chinese Democracy June 4th, 2014 at 2:51 am
ohhh .. that explains why you dont know anything about the U.S
Wikipedia? cmon not acceptable
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
LOL, Wikipedia is no good when it disagrees with your facts ? “Anyone can post” is true–and anyone can correct; note the lack of ‘correction.’ But let’s accept your intellectual dishonesty as its opposite…how about your beloved CNN ?
Buetow told CNN that, within days of Bergdahl’s disappearance, military teams monitoring radio communications intercepted radio chatter and telephonic communication which indicated that an American was searching for Taliban members who spoke English.
“When we heard that, it told us, okay, he’s actively seeking out the Taliban,” Buetow said. “And, yes, over the next couple of months, all the attacks were far more directed.”
“I heard it straight from the interpreter’s lips as he heard it over the radio,” Buetow told Tapper. “There’s a lot more to this story than a soldier walking away.”
Linda Leigh Grant-Trottier June 4th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
Then all the more reason to have this man on American soil so he can be brought to justice if he is a deserter, traitor…. don’t ya think?
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
We’re agreed on that point.
The question that comes to mind, why didn’t Dear Leader drone strike him ? It could not be because of his concern for due process (cf previous drone strike on US citizen w/out due process).
Chinese Democracy June 4th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
the question becomes. Why t baggers like you will go to any lengths to type something to make yourself look stupid
your hatred of Obama is pretty clear. You are just trolling
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
Yawn. Am I disrupting the dissonant cacophony of your echo chamber with uncomfortable questions ?
Bunya June 4th, 2014 at 2:26 pm
No, but we revel in your insistance to continually portray youself as uninformed, feeble-minded and stupid.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 2:44 pm
You would revel in such ? Then you must really enjoy listening to your president and your Senate.
Yawn.
Look sir, we’re on opposite sides of this discussion–but nothing to be gained if all you can resort to is name calling. Come up with a grand argument and statements to back up your thinking. THAT would be interesting.
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2014 at 2:25 pm
no calling you a troll is my way of saying you are so fact free its to easy to best you and have now become boring
Linda Leigh Grant-Trottier June 4th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
EstebanCafe, you do not want really care one way or another if this soldier was a deserter or a hero, you’re just glad you have another half baked reason to spout about Obama… later troll.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 1:59 pm
Madam, I think what surprised them is how quickly the American public has turned skeptical about this deal, because Obama wanted some backlash – he wanted Republicans to make over-the-top criticisms of the deal, so the Pajama Boy platoon could jump on them and start hammering out those “GOP overreach” stories, painting Republicans as political hacks and hypocrites for daring to say a bad word about the rescue of a captive American.
The element that I think blindsided Obama was the negative feedback from military people, who have the credibility to
make the public think about both sides of this trade in a skeptical way.
That wouldn’t be surprising, since I doubt very many people in this White House know, or care, very much about what the U.S. military community thinks. They assumed the troops would zip it while Obama took his victory lap for rescuing the last POW in Afghanistan.
It’s also not surprising that the White House overplayed its hand, sending Benghazi fabulist Susan Rice – who snotty Beltway insiders don’t realize is one of the least credible people in America to informed members of the public – to falsely claim Bergdahl was captured in battlefield action. They’ve even be forced to portray the Taliban as something other than a terrorist organization, to justify cutting a deal with them.
(H/T J. Hayward)
arc99 June 4th, 2014 at 2:33 pm
you are certainly entitled to your opinions.
the complete lack of any factual substantiation, e.g.
“Obama wanted”
“I doubt”
“they assumed” is noted.
go ahead and believe in any fairy tale you wish.
I will continue to base my opinions on facts, not BS made up by right wingers out of thin air.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
Entitled to my opinion ? You people are great at handing out entitlements–were I American my freedom of speech would an “inalienable” right, not an entitlement. But thank you just the same
arc99 June 4th, 2014 at 3:03 pm
links to opinion pieces prove what, other than the opinion of the author?
I said I base my opinions on facts, and you link to somebody else’s opinion.
yes you are entitled to your opinion. it is a figure of speech used by people across the political spectrum in this country, so I don’t know what “you people” you are referring to, unless you mean Americans..
Shades June 4th, 2014 at 8:51 pm
He’s said in other posts he’s not from this country, but he’s too afraid to tell us where he’s from.
Shades June 4th, 2014 at 8:50 pm
There you go again with your “you people” BS. If you’re so brave, why haven’t you disclosed where you’re from. I will say one thing for our trolls, they may be idiots but they believe they’re protecting their country. You, sir, are trolling for no reason other than you’re a despicable person who gets his enjoyment from disrespecting others. Still waiting to hear what country you’re from. We’d like the chance to tell you what we think of your government.
EstebanCafe June 5th, 2014 at 1:14 am
No one’s asked me where I’m from. Singapore, by way of Uruguay. Fire away–no disagreement from me regarding either venue.
Everything you just said about me I would offer about you: most of you personify Stalin’s “Useful Idiot” phrase. Other than that, I’m sure you’re a nice person.
Shades June 5th, 2014 at 8:11 am
LOL, “Useful Idiot” is the perfect phrase to describe somebody who posts a wikipedia link without reading it, saying it posts all the presidents’ grades, except Obama, but it REALLY lists all the presidents’ colleges, INCLUDING Obama. Sooo, who gave you that link and told you to post it here?
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 9:18 pm
“Let’s call some witnesses, shall we:”
______
Partisan opinion pieces???
But what Obama failed to mention was that it was his war, and that nothing but unattractive scenarios lie ahead for that war-torn state. .
_______
That has always been the war.
You could call it Obama’s war if he started it.
He did call it the smart war and gave a shot and was smart enough to know when to get out.
Shades June 4th, 2014 at 8:44 pm
Actually, all military personnel of authority backed this transfer 100%. There are some very unhappy soldiers, but they don’t call the shots.
EstebanCafe June 5th, 2014 at 1:11 am
Citations for this ?? Surprise me.
Chinese Democracy June 4th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
my beloved CNN? Im in a sharing caring mood so Ill type I dont watch CNN
Because they dont get the facts str8
Shades June 4th, 2014 at 8:36 pm
I thought the same thing. CNN is just Fox Light. Nobody who wants serious news watches CNN.
Shades June 4th, 2014 at 8:40 pm
LOL, that’s rich, coming from a guy who posts a wikipedia link stating it will show all the white presidents’ grades but exempt Obama, when in fact, the link actually shows the colleges all the presidents attended and Obama was listed five times. Even more hilarious is that the page clearly states its purpose at the top. Obviously, you never bothered to glance at it before posting it to Liberaland, thereby giving the best comedic performance of the day. Soooo, who gave you that link and told you to post it here?
Linda Leigh Grant-Trottier June 4th, 2014 at 12:22 pm
You do realize that anyone can post “facts” on any topic on Wiki right?
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 12:55 pm
“Anyone can post” is true–and anyone can correct; not the lack of ‘correction.’
But let’s accept your intellectual dishonesty as its opposite…how about your beloved CNN ?
Buetow told CNN that, within days of Bergdahl’s disappearance, military teams monitoring radio communications intercepted radio chatter and telephonic communication which indicated that an American was searching for Taliban members who spoke English.
“When we heard that, it told us, okay, he’s actively seeking out the Taliban,” Buetow said. “And, yes, over the next couple of months, all the attacks were far more directed.”
“I heard it straight from the interpreter’s lips as he heard it over the radio,” Buetow told Tapper. “There’s a lot more to this story than a soldier walking away.”
EstebanCafe June 3rd, 2014 at 5:42 pm
Facts can look like that. To a partisan.
Rixar13 McGinnis June 3rd, 2014 at 8:24 pm
I am glad our American is home and Republicans can kiss my A$$ literally…
barack obama June 4th, 2014 at 9:26 pm
He’s not an American. He converted to the Taliban.
Will Vazquez June 4th, 2014 at 12:00 am
sounds like everyone here thinks the same of the Presidents …..they both have done wrong …..
barack obama June 4th, 2014 at 9:24 pm
Democrats can’t accept the fact that Obama is president. Instead, they blame Bush for everything that Obama has done. It’s weird. Actually Obama doesn’t really know he’s president. He still campaigns as if he’s running for office. That’s pretty much all he does. Who actually runs the country? No one really knows. All Obama does is play golf and read scripted teleprompters.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 12:37 am
Great.
Theo Kipoma June 4th, 2014 at 1:32 am
Yeah! George Bush era was an error! 500 Gitmo’s released. Afagan and Iraq also started with Bush, don’t forget. You are only reaping the negative profits of G.W.Bush error.
Darnel Cooper June 4th, 2014 at 4:23 am
I DON’T KNOW WHY FOLK BOTHER. It has been made clear that any and everything that can be whined about Obama will be. Don’t clutter the convo with facts or how whatever he did was not a problem when done by other presidents. Don’t point out that in most cases previous presidents did MORE than the stuff that these guys are crying about on Obama.
Just spare the idiots who label a FACT a “liberal talking point” when they can’t argue it, Whine about being called a bigot or a racist when they get caught holding Obama to a higher standard than previous presidents w/o any justification other that they can.
This article makes these guys look stupid because they are seriously going to complain about the release of an American soldier for five suspected leaders of a terrorist org when good old Ronald Reagan swapped Americans for over one thousand missiles, AND INITIALLY LIED ABOUT IT.
Pfft,… It’s so bad that I’m surprised anyone would admit being republican or conservative, because they have neatly painted themselves into a corner with the nonstop whining w/o checking facts on Obama,
Dan Brown June 4th, 2014 at 10:20 pm
I agree anything that Obama does or did or doesn’t do is ALWAYS BLAMED ON BUSH…so why BOTHER!!
Darnel Cooper June 5th, 2014 at 7:07 pm
Looking back on my post,…. NOPE, didn’t say squat about Bush,… but thank you for playing and proving my post.
Dan Brown June 5th, 2014 at 8:25 pm
In the article that you posted under that is all they are talking about is how BUSH released all these prisoners. I guess you were not insinuating Bush as a previous president but that is always the excuse for Obama “It has always been Bush’s fault.” Obama is golden, he does nothing wrong. Liberals are the only ones with talking points and god forbid if you have different opinion on issues. You will never make everyone happy so again back to your initial statement ‘Why Bother”
Darnel Cooper June 20th, 2014 at 12:53 am
And if you READ WHAT I POSTED,.. I was specific in naming a President,…
It wasn’t Bush.
Like I said,… Thank you for Playing.
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 1:22 am
NO ITS NOT.. but pointing out what a horrendous president Bush was is always fun
NO ONE blames Bush for what Obama does. btw
Bush had one thing going for him though. He was WHITE huh
Dan Brown June 4th, 2014 at 10:20 pm
I agree anything that Obama does or did or doesn’t do is ALWAYS BLAMED ON BUSH…so why BOTHER!!
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 11:44 am
Count Diane Feinstein among the stupid people who are questioning the trade.
Darnel Cooper June 20th, 2014 at 12:36 am
Cheerfully.
Justin Cooper June 4th, 2014 at 5:53 am
That must have been one big bush.
paynewalker June 4th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
I thought they attacked Benghazi because of a video? Was the release by Bush a negotiated deal with a terrorist group or were they considered low level threats? Releasing low level “enemy combatants” vs negotiating with terrorist is just a bit different. I don’t expect Obama lovers aka Republican haters to ever be able to understand or acknowledge such.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 6:26 pm
I thought they attacked Benghazi because of a video
______
That was what the intel said at first.
Meanwhile, none of the five were facing charges in either military or civilian courts for their actions and when war ends, prisoners must be released.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 7:18 pm
Hillary’s new book continues to blame the video for Benghazi–on the anniversary of 9/11. “That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it…just like ah stuck by my man, Billy Bob. I ain’t wore a blue dress since.”
I cannot wait to watch your fireworks come Nov ’16 ! I only wish I could attend whatever debates there are…though I would have to withhold a strong reaction to Hill–“You lie !”–the most likely.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 7:27 pm
What exactly does she say, because the Senate Committee said it played a role.
Senate Select Committee On
Intelligence: Intel Reports Linked Inflammatory Video To Benghazi Attack. A Senate Select Committee on Intelligence found that “some
intelligence suggests” an inflammatory video linked to violent protests
around the region led terror groups to conduct “similar attacks with
advanced warning”:
It remains unclear if any
group or person exercised overall command and control of the attacks or whether
extremist group leaders directed their members to participate. Some
intelligence suggests the attacks were likely put together in short order,
following that day’s violent protests in Cairo against an inflammatory video,
suggesting that these and other terrorist groups could conduct similar attacks
with little advance warning. [Review Of The Terrorist Attacks On U.S.
Facilities In Benghazi, Libya, September 11-12, 2012, U.S. Senate Select
Committee on Intelligence, 1/15/14]
Former CIA
Acting Director Believed At The Time Video Might Have Motivated Attack. Former CIA acting director Mike Morrell has testified that the CIA chief of station in Libya believed at the time that the video might have motivated the attackers.
Also, the NYT investigation, On Sept. 12, 2012, the Times reported that “fighters involved in the assault” told its reporters of being “moved to attack the mission by anger over a 14-minute, American-made video.”
Both of which I would believe over the Spectacular, GOP/Fox News Productions Bengha$i BamboozlePalooza Extravaganza!
Shades June 4th, 2014 at 8:32 pm
Throughout your comments, you’ve made references to “your president” and “your fireworks come Nov ’16.” Why don’t you enlighten us as to the country in which you reside so we can critique your government as well?
barack obama June 4th, 2014 at 9:22 pm
Barack Obama is not a real president. He’s a cartoon character. You may have a cartoon for a president. He’s your president. The still rational Americans prefer someone more real, and less of a joke. Susan Rice comes out on Sundays, along with the Sunday cartoons. The world is laughing at Obama and anyone who thinks he’s their president. He’s your president, if you’re as looney as he is.
Shades June 4th, 2014 at 9:34 pm
And you’re from where?
mea_mark June 4th, 2014 at 9:48 pm
He was from Trollsville and has been sent packing.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 11:53 am
Why ban Estebancafe from the site? He wasn’t offensive. He offered an opposing view. The Kiwi guy railed against our government for years and wasn’t banned, same true for the gal from Canada.
mea_mark June 6th, 2014 at 2:01 pm
It wasn’t Estebancafe, it was someone else. He just hasn’t said anything yet today.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 3:44 pm
Thanks. It is good to have many different opinions if they are discussed in a civil manner.
barack obama June 4th, 2014 at 9:20 pm
Hillary will think Americans have a short memory. She’ll blame the film in 2016, and act insulted if anyone disagrees.
mea_mark June 4th, 2014 at 9:41 pm
You have been banned and most of your comments deleted for being either incredibly wrong or inappropriate, begone troll.
barack obama June 4th, 2014 at 9:20 pm
The intel first said it was Al Qaida, from the beginning. But Obama didn’t want Americans to think he hadn’t won the war on terror, so he made up a phony story about a film that had never been translated into Arabic. It almost worked. He got caught in the lie. Now he’s doing another lie. Democrat strategy is keep lying until it’s very obvious, then pretend you never said it, it was taken out of context, or it was just a little mistake.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 7:32 pm
Time for everyone to take a deep breath. Those of us who believe the man’s a traitor need to await his adjudication; conversely, those on the Left who believe him “innocent until proven guilty” need to stick with that story–and not defend the guy as a hero, as has done their Dear Leader–for any defense of this guy in the face of current evidence will leave you embarrassed.
But we can look intelligently speculate. So let’s do so…with Byron York:
So why did the White House send National Security Adviser Susan Rice to the Sunday shows to claim that Bergdahl “served the United States with honor and distinction”?
It wasn’t necessary. Rice, speaking for the White House, could have said something to the effect that “Bowe Bergdahl is a troubled young man who made a terrible mistake. Nevertheless, he is an American soldier, and the United States wants him back. The president had a difficult decision to make in balancing the release of the Taliban detainees with this country’s longstanding policy of not leaving U.S. forces behind in a
war zone, no matter the circumstances.”
That would not have quieted the controversy over the Taliban trade; critics would still maintain it was a terrible precedent and will increase the danger to America and its allies around the world. And it would not have quieted the controversy over the
administration’s decision not to inform Congress about the Taliban release, as
specifically required by law. Lawmakers — including some in the president’s
party — would still complain about that.
But it would have denied the administration’s critics a devastatingly effective argument. First, President Obama himself appeared with Bergdahl’s parents in rare Saturday remarks in the White House Rose Garden. And then Rice — who had been asked specifically about the circumstances of Bergdahl’s disappearance — said, “He served the United States with honor and distinction.”
In another Sunday appearance, on CNN, Rice suggested Bergdahl had been “captured … on the battlefield” — a claim backed up by none of Bergdahl’s fellow soldiers with him the night he disappeared. The military fully investigated the Bergdahl case in the months after he disappeared in 2009. The investigation reportedly concluded that he had willfully abandoned his post.
Now, top Army officials say there will be a new “comprehensive, coordinated” investigation to “better learn from [Bergdahl] the circumstances of his disappearance and captivity,” according to Army Secretary John McHugh. In other words, Bergdahl served with so much honor, and so much distinction, that he is going to be investigated for possible
desertion charges.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 7:52 pm
So why did the White House send National Security Adviser Susan Rice to the Sunday shows to claim that Bergdahl “served the United States with honor and distinction”?
_______
She’s a diplomat. Who cares?
Many more people say it was the right thing
When wars end, prisoners taken custody must be released.
These five Guantanamo detainees were almost all members of the Taliban,
according to the biographies of the five detainees that the Afghan Analysts
Network compiled in 2012. None were facing charges in either military or
civilian courts for their actions.
EstebanCafe June 4th, 2014 at 8:07 pm
Yes, they did. What they should have done is what many of you on this site have said: “We don’t know yet” to which I would add, “He’s already been investigated; let’s ask him some more questions. If he’s guilty let’s punish him to the full extent of the law.” Which in war time might entail some fairly serious consequences.
Either way, the door is now open. Just as the silly Israeli’s–who forever had a “No negotiation” policy with terrorists–now have soldiers kidnapped a lot more often. This so they can trade 20 at a time. Now your country has gone down the same silly path. Good luck Yanks with your travels…
BTW, the five terrorists were NOT POW’s, there are officially “enemy combatants”–ergo their stay at Guantanamo without Due Process protections.
Let’s mark this post and see where these five clowns show up in the future, ok ?
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 8:35 pm
Either way, the hostage door is now wide open–I’m curious to see just how soon some soldiers are snatched. Or tourists.
_______
That’s been going on since the Barbary pirates.
Reagan gave arms.
craig7120 June 4th, 2014 at 9:39 pm
Don’t tell him what Iran did in ’79, it might just crush the poor dudes spirit.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 10:17 pm
I mean really.
History began Jan. 20, 2009.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 10:17 pm
I mean really.
History began Jan. 20, 2009.
Leslie Leonard June 5th, 2014 at 5:31 pm
yeah well we learned nothing and I want someone to tell me when exactly the war on terror ended? I must have missed that.
barack obama June 4th, 2014 at 9:17 pm
Democrats, Dempsey and others who say consider him innocent until proven guilty probably think Hitler was innocent, as he was never tried in a court of law. If police could not arrest someone until the suspect had first been found guilty, they could never arrest anyone. Democrats have gone totally bezerk, but then they’ve always been at least 95% insane.
TiredOfThemAll June 4th, 2014 at 9:54 pm
barack obama
Obama first planned for the Taliban Five to be released in exchange for a kidnapped Ambassador Stevens,
_______
Do you have ANY idea what you are talking about?
No wonder David
Frum said, “Republicans have been Fleeced, Exploited And Lied To’ by a Conservative Entertainment Complex”
“They’ve been lied to by people who engage in niche marketing and make tens of millions of dollars engaging in niche marketing,” Scarborough said. “I’m a capitalist,
God bless ‘em…but that’s not an electoral strategy, that’s a business strategy for
them.”
And And William Kristol said, on Conservativism becoming a racket;
“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and
eventually degenerates into a racket.”
Don’t be such suckers.
Leslie Leonard June 5th, 2014 at 5:34 pm
Was that after Ambassador Stevens was raped and beaten, or maybe after they drug him through the streets and then killed him. When exactly was that swap suppose to happen?
foxnewslieseveryday June 7th, 2014 at 1:12 am
“Ambassador Stevens was raped and beaten, or maybe after they drug him through the streets and then killed him.
[citation needed]
Chinese Democracy June 7th, 2014 at 1:45 am
when exactly are t baggers going to give up on the idea that Benghazi lies like raped and dragged through the streets are going to stop Hillary from becoming president? You sound so desperate 🙂
Leslie Leonard June 8th, 2014 at 8:46 am
Number one: I’m not with the tea party. Number two: I would never vote for a woman that lets herself be publicly treated the way her husband treated her. It makes her weak and she sacrificed her self worth by allowing it. At lastly, when will you take the wool off of your sheeple eyes and see what our govt has allowed to happen to our country. You are sadly mistaken if you think that I am laying the blame of the falling of our country at one persons feet. I blame our entire govt. By the way, when you talked to the witnesses that our govt has hide pertaining to Benghazi what did they tell you? I think that you should share that so the public could be truthfully informed. Thanks;)
Leslie Leonard July 6th, 2014 at 10:59 pm
I am not a tea party member. I am a American Citizen and as such I am tired of other citizens acting like our gov’t is ok and not going down the toilet! When did it become ok for society to start whining like a bunch of babies? when did it become ok for everyone to look the other way when something we ALL know is wrong happens? Can you tell me that? I wasn;t raised that way and I don’t care what party, race, sex, sexual preference, how wealthy or poor you are; who the hell said it was ok for us to look the other way? Hillary will never be president. I don’t think any of these wanna be idiots deserve to be in the gov’t. It is a honor that they have all abused and exploited. I don’t think any of the hopefuls will be president and I think that will be a good thing. And you, chinese democracy, are a fool if you believe anything that the press says or that our gov’t says! The old saying is believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. If desperate equates to disgust then I guess I am desperate for my country. I love my country and have lost family members for this country and I don’t appreciate people crapping all over that because they don’t want to be bothered with holding others accountable even if you do like them.
Chinese Democracy July 7th, 2014 at 10:44 pm
Im sick of whining azz conservatives that are throwing a massive hissy fit because they lost 2 presidential elections in a row
and unlike you I dont get my “news ” from World Net Daily you are the one being fooled
Leslie Leonard July 9th, 2014 at 12:25 am
What if I said I was a democrat? Why do you think that it has anything at all to do with the republicans losing two elections in a row since the last few presidents have all done two terms? And unlike you I don’t lay up on my computer trolling sites to make small comments and being personally nasty to other posters. If you believe politicians then you are the one being fooled. Have a good night.
Chinese Democracy July 9th, 2014 at 12:48 am
dont tell me what to do! Ill have whatever kind of night I want
hehe
yeah I lay up on my computer trolling sights that I have been posting on for ages to people who post on open forums which of course will invite comment
you have a spanky day
TiredOfThemAll June 5th, 2014 at 7:44 am
Question about this new format;
It used to be that if you clicked onto a comment under ‘recent comments’, it took you not only to the thread, but also to that specific comment.
Now, it seems you must search for the specific comment, or am I missing something?
mea_mark June 5th, 2014 at 7:51 am
Click on avatar, then click on full profile. Search for comment there, then click on comment to go to that comment and thread.
TiredOfThemAll June 5th, 2014 at 8:17 am
You have to go through disqus?
Obewon June 5th, 2014 at 8:59 am
From ‘recent comments’ Click on the time stamp “9 minutes ago” takes you that exact comment on the page:)
craig7120 June 5th, 2014 at 9:39 am
Thanks brother
I was like Lefty, searching
TiredOfThemAll June 5th, 2014 at 12:35 pm
That works.
Thanks!
mea_mark June 5th, 2014 at 9:50 am
Misunderstood, I shouldn’t answer technical questions until I have finished my first cup of coffee.
TiredOfThemAll June 5th, 2014 at 12:34 pm
S’right
Jay Faulconer June 5th, 2014 at 9:00 am
I got sent this link from a friend of mine who is a Democrat. I myself would describe myself as just to the right of Center, which makes me a Liberal Loon to my Tea Party friends and a Fox-News-Watching idiot to my friends on the Left. For the record, i do not watch Fox News and would not be caught dead reading something on a site called ‘Liberaland’ if not requested to do so. That said…
I have a problem with the exchange, but admit I might be wrong there. I do not know standard procedure in this sort of thing, and it’s hard to complain about the release of people who have been incarcerated for five years with no trial. The whole Gitmo thing bothered me from the beginning, bush years. if they are criminals, charge and try them. Enemy combatants deserve recourse to the law as well, though understandably it may take longer to do so. My problem with the exchange is minor, the main problem being no heads-up being given to Congress, even a weeks notice or a day, I think something more than nothing could have been managed.
My major problem is how the administration handled it. This guy needed to come home, it is not open and shut that he was a traitor. AWOL most definitely, deserter most probably. Either way, bring him home. But bringing an AWOL soldier home is not something that warrants his parents being brought to the White House. It most certainly does not warrant Susan Rice claiming he was a hero captured on the battlefield. There was zero harm in calling him what he was: An American soldier in enemy hands. Why not say that? Isn’t that enough just cause? Americans died in the days following Bergdahl’s leaving, his fellow soldiers claiming some died specifically looking for him. That is enough good reason for a Commander-In-Chief to keep hands off, and not be caught grandstanding about how he returned the last American in Afghan hands.
For me this Administration bungles too many things, even if only on a small scale. I am not sure anyone in the Administration talks to anyone else. President Obama’s ‘I didn’t know’ answers have worn quite thin with me, hopefully we don’t hear that in this case.
Elizabeth Chubbuck June 5th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
THis has been a 5 year process, it was not hidden from Congress.
Jay Faulconer June 5th, 2014 at 2:28 pm
The efforts to free him have been ongoing for five years but the particulars of this exchange were not revealed to Congress. Urgency was cited as the reason, and may well have been a good one, but in lieu of 30 days even a few may have assuaged the concerns of some members.
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2014 at 4:43 pm
yeah you are a little more than a little to the right
Jay Faulconer June 6th, 2014 at 7:08 am
I don’t mind being called a Lefty by my Tea Party friends and I certainly don’t mind being accused of being far right by someone calling themselves ‘Chinese Democracy’ on a site called ‘Liberaland’.
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 2:11 pm
well anyone to the left of Atilla The Hun is a “lefty” to your t bagger friends. Not surprised
Im not accusing you .. Im reading your posts and making an observation which turns out to be true
Jay Faulconer June 6th, 2014 at 2:19 pm
It’s ‘Tea Party’, not ‘t bagger’ by the way. If you are going to try and act superior to someone, act like the more mature party. There are plenty of reasons to question the ideology of the Tea Party, but being one more lefty hurtling insults at them doesn’t address a one of them. It sells to your trolling compatriots but if you are going to engage in a public debate it helps to at least feign maturity.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
Actually they are the ones who began using the term;
Feb. 27, 2009
At the first anti-stimulus “New American Tea Party” rally in Washington D.C., a protestor carries a sign reading “Tea Bag the Liberal Dems before they Tea Bag You!!”
April 1
Several Tea Party protest sites encourage readers to “Tea bag the fools in DC.”
Between that, and the teabags hanging off their hats…..
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 4:44 pm
refer to TiredOfThemAll’s post.. I feel as if you where owned. Is that immature?
William June 7th, 2014 at 2:19 am
“it is not open and shut that he was a traitor. AWOL most definitely, deserter most probably”.
Here in the USA even soldiers get a hearing. You’ve convicted this man already.
It is completely appropriate to get this man back. If he screwed up, then he gets to face the music. I never thought I’d live to see the day where the was any question whatsoever on the worthiness of bringing an American home from enemy hands.
I am ever so grateful that people like you had no input into the code of conduct and/or military doctrine during my service.
Jay Faulconer June 7th, 2014 at 7:47 am
My comment never questioned whether or not to return him, of course we should have, he’s an American. Perhaps you meant this comment for someone arguing otherwise. I did however imply that he went AWOL, since from all accounts, that is what he did.
William June 7th, 2014 at 10:26 am
“it is not open and shut that he was a traitor. AWOL most definitely, deserter most probably”
All accounts?
Oh well then by all means lets skip the hearing .
Jay Faulconer June 7th, 2014 at 10:41 am
You seem to be I implying that I am wrong about something I said? He went AWOL , according to those who were there, and it IS a fact that in my opinion he probably deserted. This is, after all, an opinions based forum. If you take issue with people in authority making statements without the support of facts then you would agree with me that it was wrong of Rice to say he was a hero captured on the battlefield. I never meant to convey to you or anyone that my opinion carried with it any sort of legally binding declaration of his guilt. I am merely a citizen with opinions. A government official however should be obligated to present only informationsupported by facts.
William June 7th, 2014 at 12:23 pm
” AWOL most definitely, deserter most probably”
How is it that you cannot understand that you have already decided this mans guilt prior to any sort of hearing whatsoever?
def·i·nite·ly /ˈdɛfənɪtli/ Show Spelled [def-uh-nit-lee] Show IPA
adverb
1. in a clear and definite manner; unambiguously.
2. unequivocally; positively.
interjection
3. (used to express complete agreement or strong affirmation): Are you starting your diet tomorrow? Definitely!
You seem to NOT understand the presumption of innocence under our laws.
Jay Faulconer June 7th, 2014 at 12:41 pm
Your ability to copy and paste definitions is quite impressive. While you are on a hot streak might I suggest you look into the word ‘opinion’? Citizens of this country have the legal expectation to be innocent until proven guilty. Citizens in this country also have the right to their opinion. In this case both rights are being serviced. In the case of Bergdahl he has not yet been found guilty of anything, or even charged with a crime unless I am mistaken. In my case, I have taken the information available to me and arrived at the opinion that the man went AWOL, since I have seen no one present evidence to the contrary. I have seen a high government official fabricate a more positive story than was the case and written an opinion piece about that aspect of the situation. If the opinions of others bother you to this extent it may be a wise move to stay away from the comment sections of articles you read. Just my opinion.
William June 7th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
You didn’t write “opinion”. you wrote “definitely”. Now I completely understand your confusion. Obviously you never served and you know as much about the uniform code of military justice as a pig knows about Sunday.
Now as long as you are on a streak of “opinions” chew on this.
The fundamental difference between desertion and awol, is that the prosecution must prove that the defendant had no intention of ever returning.
The alleged escape attempt would indicate otherwise. (notice I used the word alleged, instead of definitely) as there is no adjudication at this time.
The next time you offer an “opinion” in the presence of veterans, try to be more observant as to the rolling of the eyes. It might temper your “opinion”.
Jay Faulconer June 7th, 2014 at 2:38 pm
Perhaps before getting so upset you should read the entire post. I said he was ‘definitely’ AWOL because he was. AWOL is a military term that means Absent Without Leave, and Burgdahl was, definitely. Desertion is not provable without knowing his intent, so the word ‘definitely’ was never applied to that. ‘Most probably’ was applied to my opinion of him being guilty of that due to what information exists. The word ‘probably’ is a nonmilitary term meaning something seems likely, but no guarantee. Things are much easier to comprehend when you take the time to read something all the way through.
William June 7th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
‘The word ‘probably’ is a nonmilitary term’
HA,ha,ha,ha,ha,
Now you may ask yourself why I don’t read your entire post.
Ednar June 5th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
Were any of the 500 hundred … COMMANDERS? Like the five just released?
The majority that were released were NOT dangerous people but people at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2014 at 4:42 pm
so COMMANDERS get released when the war ends . The war is ending
Bob Waas June 5th, 2014 at 7:13 pm
The war hasn’t ended!
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 1:19 am
True! but the 5 would be released when the war ends SOON.
So why not use the release to get one of ours back. When a war ends both sides get POWs back
Funny how you buy into the Al queda propaganda that the 5 are a big deal lol
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 9:54 am
Chinese Democracy,
WHO SAID HE WAS A POW… except Obama, the entire left looney liberals & Rice?
How is a man considered a POW when he voluntarily walks into a Taliban camp?
William June 6th, 2014 at 1:58 pm
How is a man considered a POW when he voluntarily walks into a Taliban camp?
And you know this how?
Did the drug soaked draft dodger tell you that? or was it the bipolar alcoholic?. Maybe the “witness” with the bad conduct discharge? Or was it…*snicker*, the fair and balanced network.
When he is evaluated and debriefed we will know, otherwise it’s simply conjecture fueled by your ignorance.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 3:14 pm
His own fellow comrades say he walked off himself … of his own volition.
Explain how anyone can be a POW if he wasn’t captured in battle?
Rice doesn’t do well on those Sunday talk shows..
& OBooBoio is one of the best charismatic prevaricators this side of Islam.
I suppose now, you are going to tell me OBooBoo never “CROTCH SALUTED” Old Glory …ehhhh?
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 4:40 pm
cut your b/s Obama is black you dont like it
PERIOD
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
WRONG …. YET AGAIN!
Obama, 1st Arab-American President, not the 1st black
President. Obama is 50% Caucasian momS side, 43.75% Arabic & 6.25% African
Negro from his father’s side. While Obamas father was from Kenya, fathers
family was mainly Arabs. Obamas father was only 12.5% African Negro & 87.5%
Arab (his fathers birth certificate states he’s Arab, not African Negro)
Best bar joke in a while. . .
A black guy,
A white guy,
A Lawyer,
A pathological liar,
An illegal alien,
A Muslim,
A Christian and
A Communist
Walk into a bar.
The bartender asks,
“What can I get you
Mr. President?”
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 8:28 pm
negro? ok I get it
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 8:43 pm
Ohhhh, don’t worry.
I do NOT blame you for your ignorance …. I blame the media.
Once upon a time, there were journalists who WERE REAL
journalists & obsessed with finding the truth regardless who was president
They were non-partisan in their obsession. But
since the invasion of socialists permeating & inundating in our countries
academia …
our media, our congress, our citizens &
our presidents have had this communist ideology.
The media now fawn over liberal socialist
candidates while excoriating denigrating berating & crucifying all
Republican & conservative candidates.
They forgive their partisan colleagues &
candidates as easily as they burn their opposition … whom they hold to higher
standards.
The medias blatant disregard for their traditional role as the
4th estate & government watchdog has endangered America & eroded the
notion of a free & fair press. Their one-sided coverage of President Obama
has shredded Americas trust in journalism by surrendering its integrity &
objectivity, thus endangering our democracy & free society.
Remember when Obama passed a law w/Sen.Coburn
requiring more transparency via public database of all federal spending?
Obama complained of the Bush White House as
being “most secretive administrations in our history” Even chided
Hillary for NOT releasing her White House schedules. Obama has stonewalled info
about his own; legislative, personal health, education, financing, &
background
The press, usually banging at the door for
candidates to make “full disclosure” is strangely quiet about Obama’s
stonewalling. Anyone know why?
Isnt our PRESS remarkable? They can find every
woman
Tiger Woods has had an affair with, their text messages, photos, recordings,
cause of family fights even golf wedge she used on him & the car!
But same press corp cant seem to find Obamas
BC,
college papers, or anyone who knew him in college, how he paid for it, what
passports he used or how he applied for financial aid available only to foreign
students!
In re: to Obama 62 million
voted w/o prior knowledge thanks to our press corp & media.
In 2012, people had a
choice for more jobs with Romney or more poor people & more food stamps
with Obama.
Voters did NOT pick
the businessman. Voters did NOT pick the candidate with the “content of
character” … voters picked a candidate b/c of his skin color.
Three significant historical events have
been eclipsed by Obama:
1) Jimmy Carter will no longer be looked
upon as the worst president in American history;
2) Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton will no
longer be recognized as the greatest liars in presidential history;
3) Clinton’s stain on Monica’s dress, and
what that did to White House in general and the office of the president
specifically, will forever pale in comparison to the stain and stench of Obama.
William June 7th, 2014 at 2:11 am
Obviously you’re not an American and not familiar with our due process. Here in America there is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. Nobody can be convicted simply by the rants of a drug addicted radio racist or a cadre of gap toothed scandal monkeys. his fellow “comrades” will have ample opportunity to testify as to what they saw. A court will have a chance to review the evidence. A jury will hear the case and adjudication will be rendered. That’s how it works here in the USA. Oh granted we still have our low IQ sheep that are led around by a news network, but they don’t get to have a say in the due process.
During my 20 years of service I have seen people under stress, drugs and clinical exhaustion do some weird stuff. Up to and including trying to swim ashore from an anchored aircraft carrier.
I’m not sure what you are talking about IE your crotch salute, but it’s your fetish and I guess you’re welcome to it.
Maybe it’s some sort of mating ritual in whatever country you are from.
BTW, a POW is any uniformed person of the apposing force taken into custody. Even soldiers who surrender are considered POW’s.
How do people in your country define POW’s?
It’s obvious you’ve never served in the military, so please avail yourself of the resources on line to learn about our justice system and the Uniformed code of military justice.
I hope you get to visit our country some day. I think you’ll find it interesting that here in America we try hard to recover our soldiers despite rhetoric from drooling idiots on the right.
Have a nice day.
Ednar June 7th, 2014 at 8:07 am
William,
Obama, the IDIOTO-IN-THIEF … “CROTCH SALUTED” our flag…. your flag, the one you fought for.
Educate yourself by googling this. He did this several times in 2007.
How does this make you feel? Knowing this muslim marxist miscreant masquerading as the messiah dishonored our flag?
Bowe’s commander’s &* leaders were all together on Fox(Kelly’s File) last night stating none of them would have wanted to be traded for any terrorist.
Couldn’t tell if any one of them were drug addicts as you implied. Are you a druggy?
Your military experience whether true or not makes no difference here.
My family is also military.
You have Democratic congressmen that are military like Rangel the racist & Murtha(dead) who named an airport after himself, no one uses.
Democratic PORK put to good use.
OldLefty June 7th, 2014 at 8:17 am
And did you know that;
Nixon, Reagan and Stephen King killed John Lennon
http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com/
Wingdings font has a secret message of approval to kill Jews
Israel makes Palestinian schoolgirls sexually promiscuous by
selling them aphrodisiac bubble-gum
Sarah Palin’s background, name, and entire identity is
completely fabricated. I know this without any doubt whatsoever because the
people you’re about to learn about were targeting me online. Half of Sarah
Palin’s identity is completely fabricated around this organization and the
other half around myself and my family’s history.
Sarah Palin and John McCain claimed to be a Mavericks
Mark Cuban the “Rich Jerk” above owns the Dallas
Mavericks basketball team
Obama claims his basketball name was Barack O’Bomber????
I think you are PT Barnum’s dream.
Sarah Palin claims her basketball name is Sarah Barracuda
Mark Cuban was under investigation for insider trading of a
search engine company named Mamma
Sarah Palin claims to be a Mama Grizzly
Obama was a Chicago Senator
Chicago Bears Chicago Cubs is likely where Mama Grizzly came
from
Obama claims to have been born in Hawaii
Sarah Palin claims to have attended school at Hawaii Hilo
and graduated from U of Idaho in Moscow Idaho
Sarah Palin claims to be able to see Russia from her house
McCain claimed his favorite band was ABBA which is a
palindrome
Another palindrome is the last name of George SOROS
Long time enemy of Israel is PALestINe
Gayle King and Oprah were both news anchors
Sarah Palin claims to have also been a news anchor
TiredOfThemAll June 7th, 2014 at 8:40 am
You are really PT Barnum’s dream come true, aren’t you?
Do you know how many ways that stupid urban legend has been debunked.
Ednar June 7th, 2014 at 9:08 am
http://tunnelwall.blogspot.com/2012/07/urban-legend-or-not-obamas-crotch-salute.html
Urban
legend or not? Obama’s “crotch salute”
Picture of Senator Barack Obama Failing to Salute the Flag
While Others on a Platform, Including Senator Hillary Clinton, are
Saluting-Truth!
Summary of the
eRumor: “A picture of
Senator Barack Obama (below), Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico, Senator
Hillary Clinton, and one other person all on a platform and backed by an
American flag. The eRumor says that the National Anthem was being played
at the time and that all but Senator Obama saluted.”
“The picture
is authentic. It was published in Time magazine and was taken 9/16/07 at
an event in Indianola, Iowa where six Democratic presidential candidates
appeared. It was Iowa Senator Tom Harkin’s annual “meat and
greet.” The fourth person in the picture is Senator Harkin’s
wife, Ruth. Not seen in the picture are three other candidates who were
standing out of view on the right side of the platform, Senator Chris Dodd,
Senator John Edwards, Senator Joe Biden.
“At question is what was going on with Senator Obama? His
critics are circulating the picture and saying that he is not respecting the
flag or the National Anthem, especially since the protocol, according to the
United States Flag code, is that civilians should have their right hands over
their hearts and that they should be facing the flag. His supporters are
saying that this little lapse should not be held against him since there have
been plenty of other events at which he has saluted the flag—so it did not
mean that he would, in principle, avoid doing it.
….
“An ABC News video, however, shows that Senator Obama did not salute at
any time during the Anthem and that everybody else on the platform did.
A spokesperson for
the Senator told Fox News that it was ridiculous to suggest that Obama was
making any kind of a statement and that sometimes “he does and sometimes
he doesn’t place his hand over his heart during the National Anthem.”
”
From TruthOrFiction.Com
Ednar June 7th, 2014 at 9:09 am
My comment was deleted.
Sad.
This site seems to be politically correct in favor of muslims, it seems.
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 2:09 pm
you first who said he WASNT a POW? Whats your source? I need a laugh
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 3:16 pm
His comrades who read the letter he wasn’t happy as an American soldier.
Documents now coming out he wants to become a Muslim.
Right now….this guy is getting briefed by Obama & company to LIE thru his teeth to make sure his lies stay good with OBooBoo’s lies.
Ednar June 5th, 2014 at 8:57 pm
Who said the war ended?
Are you implying you trust OBAMA?
He did say Al Qaeda is on the run, remember?
Quite the idiot, hmmmm?
TiredOfThemAll June 5th, 2014 at 9:21 pm
Obama is right on all accounts.
The al Qaeda core’s influence has been reduced.
al-Zawahiri was rebuffed in his attempts to mediate a dispute among al Qaeda affiliates operating in Syria, with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant publicly dissociating their group from al Qaeda.”
The other organizations right now – although potentially very, very problematic – are currently focused on the local fights. “Whether eventually they shift to Europe first, then the US, we’ll see. But certainly a potential is there.”
But why let facts get in the way?
Ednar June 5th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
Obama is only NOT right … but an absolute idiot.
He is FUNDING terrorism, including Al Qaeda!
There are hundreds of splinter groups in terrorism today.
“Six American Islamist activists who work
with the Obama Administration are Muslim Brotherhood operatives who enjoy
strong influence over U.S. policy”
Investigative. Org
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/sharia-advisers-barack-obamas-muslim-appointees/
http://news.yahoo.com/us-officer-got-no-reply-cables-asking-more-174539222.html
U.S. officer got
no reply to requests for more security in Benghazi
***Arif Alikhan – Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for
the U.S. Department of Homeland Security
***Mohammed Elibiary – Homeland Security Adviser
appointed to the Department of Homeland Security
Advisory Council by then-secretary Janet Napolitano in 2010
***Rashad Hussain – Special Envoy to the (OIC) Organization of the
Islamic Conference
***Salam al-Marayati – Obama Adviser – founder Muslim Public
Affairs Council and its current executive director
***Imam Mohamed Magid – Obama’s Sharia Czar – Islamic Society of
North AmericaIslamic Society of North America
***Eboo Patel – Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood
Partnerships
***Valerie Jarrett … aide & ear to Obama & Michelle
Obama’s ex-boss
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-r3tGi1ulgyE/UJdY_EbTlOI/AAAAAAAA7XY/HV49ECwYNPo/s1600/Valerie%2BJarrett%2527s%2Bpayback%2Btime.jpg
Valerie Jarrett – “After we win this
election, it’s our turn. PAYBACK TIME.”
“After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us
is against us & they better be ready because we won’t forget. The ones who
helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve.
There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time.
No election to worry about after this is over & we have two judges ready to
go.”
Valerie Jarrett, born in Iran, Senior Advisor to Obama. Quoted by a White House
Insider. See link for the full story. She calls the shots in the White House
except for the drones, Obama loves his drones.
So…. Let me get this straight… she calls the shots while Obama is out playing
GOLF & going on talk shows like the VIEW, Letterman & Leno calling
himself: “EYE CANDY” on the VIEW…
While Valerie Jarrett gave the order for the TWO NAVY SEALS TO STAND DOWN.
The NAVY SEALS refused this order & SAVED the lives of 33 people.
Obamas love for drones didn’t help these two Navy Seals who were expecting help
from pathetically weak NON-military advisors & anti-war LIBERAL
INCOMPETENTS.
Valerie, Obama, Hillary, Reid, Pelosi & others members of the congressional
communist party (DSA) should all be shot as TRAITORS
ht tp : / / w ww. wnd. com/2013/01/egyptian-mag-affirms-brotherhood-infiltration-of-white-house/
Egyptian mag
affirms Brotherhood infiltration of White House
Claims 6 American Muslims have strong
influence on U.S. policy
ht tp : / / w ww. investigativeproject. org/3869/egyptian-magazine-muslim-brotherhood-infiltrates
Egyptian Magazine: Muslim Brotherhood
Infiltrates Obama Administration
ht tp : / / w ww. westernjournalism. com/obama-arms-the-enemy-again/
Obama Arms The
Enemy Again
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obama-family-behind-shariah-push/
Obama family
busted in Shariah scheme
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 1:20 am
World Net Daily? Now theres a source with an impeccable reputation.
STOP IT
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 9:52 am
ChineseDemocracy,
So … it is true, ehhh?
You are a chinese communist?
cliftymike June 6th, 2014 at 7:52 am
Holy crap…..did you miss Alex Jones or Glenn Beck in there somewhere? Talk about “willful ignorance”.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 9:51 am
Cliftymike,
Alex Jones is radical.
Try not to bring assumptions about my beliefs… if I did that I would compare your beliefs with REID, Pelosi & Obama who along with countless Liberal Democrats belong to America’s Communist Party … the DSA
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 7:53 am
Obama is only NOT right
… but an absolute idiot.
He is FUNDING terrorism,
including Al Qaeda!
_______
We said that about Reagan and Bush as well.
Remember Reagan created al Qaeda.
Everything you say has been debunked.
You engage in the Gish Gallop method; throw out tons of false info and expect someone to spend hours debunking it.
Please don’t expect me to buy the spin from far right wing wacko sites.
As far back as the 50’s Saadat Hasan Manto wrote “Letters to Uncle Sam”, asking why we don’t directly arm the mullahs in Pakistan since we were supporting radical Islam (as a hedge against “socialism” ) over democracy in India;
“Regardless of India and the fuss it is making, you must sign a military pact with Pakistan. Because you are seriously concerned about the stability of the world’s largest Islamic state since our mullah is the best antidote to Russian communism.
Once military aid starts flowing, the first people you should arm are these mullahs. They would also need American-made rosaries and prayer mats, Cutthroat razors and scissors should be top of the
list, as well as American hair color lotions. That should keep these fellows happy and in business.
If this gang of mullahs is armed in the American style, the Soviet Union that hawks communism and socialism in our country will have to shut shop. I can visualize the mullahs, their hair trimmed
with American scissors and their pajamas stitched by American machines in strict conformity with the Sharia.”
You mean, Rashad Hussain also has been an advocate for the protection of religious minorities, and has worked on efforts to improve the protection of Christians, Jews, and other religious minorities living in Muslim-majority countries. He has also sought to combat anti-Semitism by denouncing Holocaust denial and the publication of anti-Semitic materials in the Muslim world. In an op-ed on addressing anti-Semitism in the Muslim world, he condemned the broadcast of an anti-Semitic film aired in some Muslim-majority countries, arguing that Jews and Christians face discrimination and violence in countries in these countries and that “Efforts must be made to ensure that textbooks and television programming in the Muslim world are free from the types of dehumanizing ideas and images that breed intolerance and hate.” Speaking to Foreign Ministers
of Muslim countries at the OIC Ministerial in Guinea in 2013, he also criticized “restrictions on places of worship, including churches and synagogues” as “unacceptable.” He has also condemned blasphemy laws on other restrictions on speech that are used to persecute religious
minorities including Coptic Christians in Egypt, where he visited with an American Coptic leader in 2012.
Or, You mean the one who made the statement; “Muslims Must Stand Up Against the Horrific Attacks Against Christians in Nigeria”??
Before serving as Deputy Mayor, Arif Alikhan was a career prosecutor with the U.S. Department of Justice from 1997-2006. During that time, he served as Chief of the Cyber and Intellectual Crimes Section for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles and as a Senior Advisor to the U.S. Attorney General in Washington, D.C., where he oversaw the national Computer
Hacking and Intellectual Property Program for the Department of Justice. Alikhan holds a J.D. from Loyola Law School and a B.A. from the University of California, Irvine.
Good.
For all your whining about, “where are the moderate Muslims…”
THERE they are.
And just because you call him the “Sharia Czar” does not make it true.
Should we call John Negroponte, Bush’s “Death Squad Czar”?
How about all of Bush’s other czars who were convicted felons?
And where were you when;
Laura and George W. Bush (3rd and 4th from left) with Islamic Jihad frontman Sami Al-Arian (third from right) and family (son, Abdullah “Big Dude” – Bush’s nickname for him – Al-Arian, is on far left). The problem is, Dr. Al-Arian is the U.S. frontman for one of the largest terrorist-group coalitions in the world Islamic Jihad which was declared an international terrorist organization by the U.S. State
Department and which openly promotes death to Americans. Hijackers on Flight 93, which crashed near Pittsburgh, wore red headbands, customary among Islamic Jihad warriors who take their instruction from Iran. President of the Islamic Committee for Palestine, Al-Arian headed up the primary U.S. support group for Islamic Jihad, according to “Jihad in America,” a 1994 PBS documentary on Arab Muslim terrorists in America, produced and reported by Steven Emerson a courageous investigative journalist who has worked for the U.S. News & World Report and CNN. “Jihad in America” ?
You screed requires that you ignore many facts, exaggerate others, and make other stuff up.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 9:48 am
So … what you are implying is that BUSH was also a Islamic sympathizer … like Obama?
Why did Bush go into Iraq & Afghanistan?
What do you know of the IRAQI LIBERATION ACT?
So … it is ok for us to have Muslims in our Homeland Security?
Is that what you are implying?
Reagan DIDN’T create Al Qaeda … cheap shot, there buddy … a serious misuse of information & YOU DERIDE ME OF THE SAME?
He trained OBL & his pack of terrorists to combat the Russians influence in Afghanistan
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 10:28 am
So … what you are implying is that BUSH was also a Islamic sympathizer … like Obama?
_________
Absolutely.
Bush went into Afghanistan because;
1) He had to after 9/11.
2) The Taliban did not cooperate with the pipeline;
Remember the “carpet of gold or the carpet of bombs”?
Tom Simons, former U.S. ambassador to Pakistan and the most recent official negotiator with the Taliban; Niaz Naik, former Foreign Minister of Pakistan; Ambassador Simons stated that if the Taliban wouldn’t agree with the plan, and if Pakistan was unable to persuade them, the United States might use an overt action against Afghanistan,”
Iraq???
The PNAC planned that in the late 1990’s (I don’t know if Bush was even in the loop)
Iraq basically took the fight away from terrorism and focused on taking over Iraq, (which ultimately turned it over to the loving arms of Iran.)
Karl Rove and Bush just wanted Bush to be a “war president” for the next election.
I think that the Economist hit upon the REAL reason for Iraq;
Let’s all go to the yard sale; Iraq’s Economic
Liberalisation.
The
Economist Sept. 2003
“If it all works out, Iraq will be a capitalist’s dream
If carried through, the measures will represent the kind of wish-list that foreign investors and donor agencies dream of for developing markets.
Investors in any field, except for all-important oil production and refining, would be allowed 100% ownership of Iraqi assets, full repatriation of profits, and equal legal standing with local firms. Foreign banks would be welcome to set up shop immediately, or buy into Iraqi ventures.”
http://www.economist.com/node/2092719
Basically it was an anti- Marshall Plan.
There seems to be a pattern of supporting radicals because they seem more friendly to business, then bemoaning their power, screaming “How did THIS happen? and How did these people get so radical??!!”
As for; “. it is ok for us to have Muslims in our Homeland Security?”
Yes. They are Americans the same as you or I.
You want a religious test????
That is anti-American.
YOU think it was OK to have convicted felons in National Security????
You think it was OK to have Christian fundamentalist Jerry Boykin, (who said that Bush did NOT win the election but was put there by God, ) as Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence under Dr. Stephen Cambone, Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence????
There were intel people who warned the Reagan administration that there was nothing to stop the religious wackos from turning on us, after you teach them to how to bring down a superpower.
Not to mention, in the late 1980s, Pakistani President Benazir Bhutto, feeling the mujaheddin network has grown too strong, tells President George H. W. Bush, “You are creating a jihadi Frankenstein.” However, the warning goes unheeded.”
Osama bin Ladin cited Reagan’s cutting and running from Beirut as American weakness.
Reagan traded a rational enemy for an irrational enemy with no forethought.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 11:43 am
Sorry …Muslims do NOT belong anywhere in our politics!
When CAIR held a banquet in Fremont, California, in 1998, the Chairman of the Board, Omar Ahmad, said this:
“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”
“Islam requires the earth — not just a portion, but the whole planet” Book: Jihad in Islam, by: Abul A’la Maududi Page 10
Remember:
The Christian martyr will say: “I will die for what I believe”.
A muslim martyr says: “YOU will die for what I believe”.
arc99 June 6th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
and Mr. Ahmad has repeatedly denied saying any such thing.
but regardless of what he did or did not say, your statement that Muslims do not belong in politics is contrary to both the letter and the spirit of the United States Constitution.
Fascinating how you right wingers rant and rave about the Constitution, but are the first to toss it in the trash when it conflicts with your peculiar view of the world
Article 6
…….
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but **no religious test** shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 12:14 pm
Arc99,
I understand …. these are the civilized ways to do things!
But YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ISLAM!
They do NOT care about our politics!
They do NOT care about our laws!
They only care about their religion!
They will rebel, riot, start a rebellion as they have in present day Europe when they have the majority!
The more Muslims in a population … the more the rebellion escalates!
None can be trusted!
Their Sharia Laws conflict with our first amendment rights!
Or … are you a Muslim?
No? How about … sheeple like as in gullible?
arc99 June 6th, 2014 at 12:15 pm
I am an American who believes in the US Constitution. try it sometime.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 12:32 pm
Then you are going to be a dead American.
Sort of like this story….
Are you a
Democrat, Republican or Southern Republican?
Here is a little test that will help you decide.
Question: How do you tell the difference between Democrats, Republicans
and Southern Republicans? The answer can be found by posing the
following question:
You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small
children. Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around
the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah,
raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock 40, and you are
an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your
family. What do you do?
Democrat’s Answer:
Well, I need more information to answer the question!
Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I done anything to him that would
inspire him to attack? Can we run away? What about my wife & kids?
Maybe if I swing the gun & knock the knife out of his hand? What does the
law say about this situation? Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into
it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway & what kind of message does this
send to society and to my children?
Does he definitely want to kill me, happy w/just killing me or would he be
content just to wound me?
If I were to grab his knees & hold on, could my family get away while he
was stabbing me? Should I call 9-1-1? Why is this street so deserted?
We need to raise taxes, have a paint & weed day & make this happier,
healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
This is all so confusing!! I need to debate this with some friends for few days
and try to come to a consensus.
Republican ‘s Answer:
BANG!
Southern
Republican’s Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
click … (sounds of reloading).
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
click
Daughter: “Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver
Tips?”
arc99 June 6th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
you clearly do not know many, if any liberal Democrats. nice little fantasy world you live in there with your little boxes to put people in.
believe whatever you want. I have given up trying to dissuade right wingers from believing in the fiction and fairy tales which give you guys such comfort.
this liberal gun-owner will just sit back, laugh and shake his head at the reality that so many people who pretend to be well informed, actually think the horsesh*t in your joke is real.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 3:32 pm
Guess you have failed to realize ObooBoo is taking away our 2nd amendment rights.
There are NO liberal gun owners … just stupid people with guns that shouldnt have any.
Fwd: Sensible Gun Control
This explains why there has been no attempt on Mr. Obama or his vice
president!
****In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the
United States .
****In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of
the United States who later died from the wound.
****In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy,
President of the United States .
****In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald
Ford, President of the United States .
****In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald
Reagan, President of the United States .
****In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed
22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.
****In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15
people in an Oklahoma post office.
****In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people
at a GMAC office.
****In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed
23 people in a Luby’s cafeteria in Killeen, TX .
****In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed
5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.
****In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed
8 people at a church service.
****In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in
a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US .
****In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7
people at a Lockheed Martin plant.
****In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung – Hui Cho, shot and killed
32 people in Virginia Tech.
****In 2010 a registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.
****In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie
theater and shot and killed 12 people.
****In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7
people in Minneapolis.
****In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed
26 people in a school in Newtown, CT.
****As recently as Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy
ship yard.
Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.
Not one NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative
was involved in any of these shootings and murders.
SOLUTION:
It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns.
…Best idea I’ve heard to date!
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 1:26 pm
Sorry …Muslims do NOT belong anywhere in our politics!
_______
You get to decide who belongs in our politics.
Perhaps you would be more comfortable in Saudi Arabia. They believe as you do.
Who cares what some Muslims say??
Seven Mountains dominionism seeks to place Christians in control over the seven forces that shape and control our culture: (1) Business; (2) Government; (3) Media; (4) Arts and Entertainment; (5) Education; (6) Family; and (7) Religion. The reason for this, as Lance Wallnau, the leading advocate for Seven Mountains theology, explained is that Jesus “doesn’t come back until He’s accomplished the dominion of nations.” And the way “dominion of nations” is accomplished is by having Christians gain control of these “seven mountains” in order to install a “virtual theocracy” overseen by “true apostles” who will fight Satan and his Antichrist agenda.
Many would say THEY don’t belong in our politics.
Do you have proof, or is it another urban legend that you guys pass off as fact?
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 3:29 pm
So …you would trust them over ….say, me?
Hmmmm …as long as you avoid talking about their prophet, Muhammad, you are safe.
But once you tease them & want to name a teddy bear: Muhammad ….your head will be rolling on the ground!
Who is really out of touch here, I wonder?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 4:25 pm
Depends upon who they are.
I know Muslims that I would trust more than any religious nut jobs, Muslims who support our founding principles and rule of law, and have nothing but contempt for fundamentalist Muslims.
I don’t know you.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 6:07 pm
Well, there you go …
you don’t shi_ite from shinola about Islam as a religion, do you? Islam’s first authority is their totalitarian cult type religion.
Their Sharia Laws are in direct conflict with our first amendment rights.
Their quranic verses say NOT to be friends with NON-muslims. They want you to trust them so they can convert or kill you.
Do muslims today act like Ishmael?
Arrogant, violent, pretenders of peace, recalcitrant, angry & rebellious?
Let’s find out. What does the bible say about Ishmael’s character?
Genesis 16:12
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s
hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
Even IF the whole world became muslim, there would be consistent continued violence.
Muslims
LOVE & taught to kill, even each other!
In the book
by Leon Uris: “THE HAJ” says:
It was me
AGAINST my brother.
Me & my
brother AGAINST our father
My family
AGAINST my cousins & the clan
The clan
AGAINST the tribe
The Tribe
AGAINST the world
& all
of us AGAINST the infidel
WHERE IS
THERE PEACE?
Islam LIES
when it states it is a peaceful religion.
Nothing is
further from the truth.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 6:45 pm
you don’t shi_ite from shinola about Islam as a religion, do you? Islam’s first authority is their totalitarian cult type religion.
Their Sharia Laws are in direct co
_________
Thou dost project too much Methinks.
My husband is from India. (an atheist, brought up as a Hindu).
I have been there many times. His dad worked for a Muslim company for 40 years. They used to live very close to a Muslim neighborhood where you could hear the Adhan.
Most of his relatives work in the Gulf.
He is a physician and many of his colleagues are Muslim, (especially) from Pakistan.
His family and now myself have been to many Muslim weddings as they have been to ours.
I think that YOU get YOUR knowledge of Islam from anti-Islamic cartoons.
Do that mean there is no problem?
Absolutely not.
The truth is that Islam must undergo a reformation as Christianity did.
We no longer engage in genocide, because we are secular nations.
But again;
Saadat Hasan Manto wrote
“Letters to Uncle Sam” in the 1950’s
Wrote; “21 February
1954
“Dear Uncle,
I wrote to you only a few days ago
and here I am writing again. My admiration and respect for you are going up at
about the same rate as your progress towards a decision to grant military aid
to Pakistan. I tell you I feel like writing a letter a day to you.
Regardless of India and the fuss it
is making, you must sign a military pact with Pakistan. because you are
seriously concerned about the stability of the world’s largest Islamic state
since our mullah is the best antidote to Russian communism.
If this gang of mullahs is armed in
the American style, the Soviet Union that hawks communism and socialism in our
country will have to shut shop….”
Saadat Hasan Manto wrote
“Letters to Uncle Sam” in the 1950’s
“21 February 1954
Dear Uncle,
I wrote to you only a few days ago
and here I am writing again. My admiration and respect for you are going up at
about the same rate as your progress towards a decision to grant military aid
to Pakistan. I tell you I feel like writing a letter a day to you.
Regardless of India and the fuss it
is making, you must sign a military pact with Pakistan. because you are
seriously concerned about the stability of the world’s largest Islamic state
since our mullah is the best antidote to Russian communism. Once military aid
starts flowing, the first people you should arm are these mullahs. They would
also need American-made rosaries and prayer mats, not to forget small stones
that they use to soak up the after-drops following a call of nature. Cutthroat
razors and scissors should be top of the list, as well as American hair color
lotions. That should keep these fellows happy and in business.
If this gang of mullahs is armed in
the American style, the Soviet Union that hawks communism and socialism in our
country will have to shut shop. I can visualize the mullahs, their hair trimmed
with American scissors and their pajamas stitched by American machines in
strict conformity with the Sharia. The stone they use for their after-drops of
you know what will be American, untouched by human hand, and their prayer mats
would be American too. Everyone will then become your camp follower, owing
allegiance to you and none else.”
Regardless of India and the fuss it
is making, you must sign a military pact with Pakistan. because you are
seriously concerned about the stability of the world’s largest Islamic state
since our mullah is the best antidote to Russian communism. Once military aid
starts flowing, the first people you should arm are these mullahs. They would
also need American-made rosaries and prayer mats. Cutthroat razors and scissors
should be top of the list, as well as American hair color lotions. That should
keep these fellows happy and in business.
No one listened.
No one listened to the red flags sent up when we over threw democratically elected Mossadegh for Anglo Iranian Oil, (NOW called BP).
On one listened to the warnings when we supported the Muslim Brotherhood because Nasser was a “socialist” who threatened to nationalize of the Suez Canal.
Not to mention supporting the Wahhabis in Saudi.
But there is a big market in misinforming people.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 7:07 pm
I debate them all the time.
Your letters mean nothing to me.
There are three major types of religions in India … among the MILLIONS!
Have been debating them for over seven years on YouTube!
Hmmmm ….the “fruit” of this peaceful religion is on the front page of most newspapers or networks across the globe.
Here is just a small sample.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/muslims-conduct-human-sacrifice-on-video/
Editor’s Note: EXTREME CAUTION ADVISED: The videos
linked and embedded at the end of the story are extremely graphic, showing
brutal executions.
http://pamelageller.com/2014/01/pakistan-muslim-husband-murders-woman-for-bearing-six-daughters.html/#
Pakistan: Muslim Husband Murders Woman
for Bearing Six Daughters
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/03/jihadists-arrested-north-carolina-terrorism-charges-planned-travel-syria-yemen-fight-islam/
http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/10000-schoolgirls-victims-of-u-k-sex-gangs/
http://eaglerising.com/5479/muslim-mob-murders-young-christian-girl/
http://eaglerising.com/5650/islamic-extremists-nigeria-slaughter-200-christians/
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/05/media-silent-crucifixion-of-christians-islamic-jihadists/
http://news.yahoo.com/sudanese-woman-sentenced-death-apostasy-123904046.html
http://conservativebyte.com/2014/05/muslims-crucify-two-teen-boys-christians/
http://conservativebyte.com/2014/05/religion-peace-glory-viewer-warning/
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/13/20476580-outrage-over-death-of-yemeni-child-bride-8-on-wedding-night
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/saudi-islamists-gang-rape-3-year-old-girl-rupturing-her-insides/
Saudi Islamists Gang Rape 3 Year Old Girl “Rupturing Her Insides
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 7:34 pm
Oh please.
From your sources, what next?
Rosie O’Donnell as an expert on Islam??
As for; “Your letters mean nothing to me.”
So letters from a Pakistani warning you in 1950 that by supporting radical Islam over democracy, because it was better for businesses that we were fostering exactly the kind of rot that is happening?
I know it means nothing to you.
That is why you are so ignorant.
So why did you support radical Islam for decades?
And do you really not think that they also have a collection of all the horrible murders and brutality that happen all over the Christian world and attribute it to Christianity??
Read the English speaking Pakistani papers once in a while. (very different from the rural guns, God and gays crowd).
Here’s a nice little video for you; (Most of the Bollywood actors in India are Muslim);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAO8oc93UVQ
She was a hero in the English speaking papers.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 8:39 pm
Have you ever debated a Muslim?
SERIOUSLY!
What do you know of their religion?
Below is a link to my YouTube profile page.
Muahhhh has beeen very very busy protecting our Christian heritage against the ONLY religion to give permission to their followers to lie!
https://www.youtube.com/user/Edna0210/discussion
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 8:48 pm
I’m sorry. I don’t think you know what you are talking about.
I know you think you do.
Again, I have a family who has had professional, school, neighborly and friendly,relationships with Muslims.
My husband did a residency with an Iranian Jew who’s parents still live in
Teharan.
You cherry pick the most extreme elements of the most ignorant and backward and want to believe that it represents the whole.
Frankly, you seem to have much more in common with those you hate than you know.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 8:58 pm
Your excuses are tiresome & sickening, actually.
It is, to me, an implication of cowardice.
You make excuses as they do.
Answer the question,please.
HAVE YOU EVER DEBATED A MUSLIM, on religion ?
yes or no?
Try it …. then like a teacher did …. she innocently tried to name a teddy bear: Muhammad & almost got her head taken from her shoulders!
This is a deceptively VIOLENT, bigoted, intolerant religion based on sex, lies & death.
Their deceptive passiveness leads to violence.
Now…. answer my question, please.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
Your excuses are tiresome & sickening, actually
_______
It’s mutual, I’m sure.
Go to another country.
Go to India, and talk to people in Muslim neighborhoods.
Go to the Gulf. At least talk to people from these countries.
Answer your question????
Have I ever debated a Muslim on religion???
I have debated people of all religions on religion, including Muslims.
My husband has told a Muslim friend to “Fv*k your God and his prophet”
So what?
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 9:29 pm
Do you believe we share the same God?
Did your husband say that to a Muslim in their country or ours?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 9:33 pm
Do you believe we share the same God?
_______
I don’t believe in a Christian, Hindu or Muslim god.
My husband said that in Mumbai.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 9:37 pm
Thanks, I see.
Kind of…
tired of them all ….. ehhh?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 9:43 pm
Yep.
William June 6th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
A muslim martyr says: “YOU will die for what I believe”
Really?
Explain this.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 3:26 pm
William,
Israel profiles them & is successful keeping their citizens safe.
But while you are in the delusional mood…
explain this:
http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/muslims-conduct-human-sacrifice-on-video/
Editor’s Note: EXTREME CAUTION ADVISED: The videos
linked and embedded at the end of the story are extremely graphic, showing
brutal executions.
http://pamelageller.com/2014/01/pakistan-muslim-husband-murders-woman-for-bearing-six-daughters.html/#
Pakistan: Muslim Husband Murders Woman
for Bearing Six Daughters
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/03/jihadists-arrested-north-carolina-terrorism-charges-planned-travel-syria-yemen-fight-islam/
http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/10000-schoolgirls-victims-of-u-k-sex-gangs/
http://eaglerising.com/5479/muslim-mob-murders-young-christian-girl/
http://eaglerising.com/5650/islamic-extremists-nigeria-slaughter-200-christians/
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/05/media-silent-crucifixion-of-christians-islamic-jihadists/
http://news.yahoo.com/sudanese-woman-sentenced-death-apostasy-123904046.html
http://conservativebyte.com/2014/05/muslims-crucify-two-teen-boys-christians/
http://conservativebyte.com/2014/05/religion-peace-glory-viewer-warning/
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/13/20476580-outrage-over-death-of-yemeni-child-bride-8-on-wedding-night
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/saudi-islamists-gang-rape-3-year-old-girl-rupturing-her-insides/
Saudi Islamists Gang Rape 3 Year Old Girl “Rupturing Her Insides
Sheikh Ibrahim Mahdi(Palestinian Cleric) Palestinian TV,
2001
“Blessings to whoever put a belt of explosives on his body or on his sons & plunged into the midst of the Jews crying, ‘Allah Ahkbar, Praise to Allah!’ There is no god but allah & Mohammed is his messenger.”
John Loftus (former federal prosecutor)
“I think the worst form of child abuse is to teaching a child to hate. But we have on Palestinian TV & on Saudi TV over & over again, how little kids being taught,’I want to be a
suicide bomber’.”
John Loftus (former federal prosecutor)
“Arab children are being taught that the Jews are inherently not human, that they are born from monkeys & pigs. That it is perfectly alright to kill them. That it is a command from allah, to kill all Jews.”
Hassan Nasrallah (Hizbollah Secretary General)(Al-Manar TV
2005)
“The most honorable death is by killing & the most honorable killing & most glorious martyrdom, is when a man is killed for the sake of allah.”
Abu Hamza Al-Masri (former leader & supporter of Shariah)
Abu Hamza Al-Masri has a prosthesis-hook on his right hand.
“What makes allah happy? Allah is happy when non-muslims get killed.”
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 8:27 pm
who can explain why anyone would use WND as a source and expect people not to laugh at them
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 8:42 pm
What do I care?
Your sources? Hmmmm… could it be from one below?
TV NEWS
organizations ties to the White House!
Just simple family connections???
My, isn’t this
interesting…..This explains a few things…
CNN … CNN
President, Virginia Moseley, is MARRIED to Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary;
Tom Nides
CBS … CBS
President, David Rhodes, is BROTHER to top Obama official; Ben Rhodes (who
changed Benghazi talking points)
ABC … ABC
President, Ben Sherwood, is BROTHER to Obama special advisor; Elizabeth
Sherwood
ABC … Jay Carney’s
wife works for ABC
MSNBC has altered
videos altered stories & altered pictures to enable racism in this country
& Obamas
re-election victory
Remember when they
first came out with the picture of Trayvon Martin as a 10 yr child allegedly
KILLED by Zimmerman?
Who in this
country believed Zimmerman killed a child? A child instead of an adult, as
MSNBC alluded to via the picture they posted? I believed Zimmerman DID kill a
child!
MSNBC also
doctored video recordings to this case, the shootings in Colorado & Newton,
Connecticut.
The transparency
& truth no longer exists in this administration as it does in the networks
cited above.
ht tp : / / dailycaller. com/2014/02/07/shameful-smear-tactics-msnbc-tries-to-link-ed-gillespie-to-war-criminal-milosevic/
‘Shameful smear tactics’: MSNBC tries to link Ed
Gillespie to war criminal Milosevic
MSNBC
forced to apologize to conservatives for bi-racial Cheerios Ad comment
(race-baiting)
http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/cbs-conceals-family-ties-to-benghazi-scandal/
Obama’s former Car Czar, Steve Rattner closed down 788 dealerships
4 donating money 2 Republicans. Ones donating 2 Dems were saved. In fact,
Clinton’s former White House Chief of Staff, Mack McClarty, owns chain of
dealerships partnered w/Robert Johnson (BET) now have virtual monopoly on
Chrysler sales.
How did Rattner get the list of donors? His wife, Maureen White!
Maureen happens to be the former
national finance chairman of the DNC. As such, she would
have access 2 campaign donation records
How many
organizations &/or people of suspect … is Barack Hussein Obama tied to
directly & indirectly?
DEMOS, IPS(Institute
for Policy Studies), ACORN, PROJECT VOTE, CAIR, ACLU, LA RAZA, MOVEONE, MEDIA
MATTERS, GEORGE SOROS, BILL AYERS, TONY REZKO, CODE PINK, BLACK PANTHERS,
NATION OF ISLAM, JEREMIAH WRIGHT, LOUIS FARRAHKAN, NAACP, BLACK CONGRESSIONAL
CAUCUS, PLANNED PARENTHOOD, DSA
Have you heard of Demos? IPS?
Weather Underground? SDS? Van Jones? Obama? Connections are amazing.
Did you know that Vernon Jarrett
(Valerie Jarrett’s father-in-law) was a communist party member and worked with
Frank Marshall Davis in Chicago before Davis went to Hawaii? Vernon Jarrett
hired Michelle Robinson while she was engaged to Barack Hussein Obama (See
newzeal.blogspot for proof).
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-responds-officials-come-under-fire-081331257.html?bcmt=comments-postbox
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 11:50 am
Here is a history lesson for you.
Read & learn.
Bill Clinton & Al Gore were absent on the war on terror. They FAILED to respond:
**To the first attack on W.T.C. in 1993
**Cut-n-Ran when Al Qaeda ambushed U.S. Army Rangers in Mogadishu
**Called for Regime change in Iraq when Saddam Hussein expelled the U.N. weapon inspectors. But then, failed to remove Saddam or to get him to allow U.N. inspectors back in.
**Failed to respond to the murder of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia.
**Failed on the attack of the U.S.S. Cole, American warship, in Yemen
**When two American Embassies in Africa were bombed, Bill Clinton had two missiles fired one went into an Aspirin Factory in Sudan and the other went into an empty
tent in Afghanistan.
**Refused to kill or capture Osama Bin Ladin when they had a dozen chances to do so.
** All this & they still hadn’t put in place simple Airport Security Measures recommended by his own task force. These measures, if they’d been implemented may have prevented 9/11
In short, the Clinton/Gore response was limp-wristed & supine. But what is worse is that Al Gore refused to concede a lost Presidential Election, thereby breaking a hundred year tradition.
Gore delayed the transition by two months.
Bush had a comprehensive Anti-terror Plan (Clinton/Gore had none) ordered on taking office & did not arrive on his desk until the day before 9/11.
But in fact, the first and last rationale in every government statement was not the WMDs but the removal of Saddam Hussein or Regime Change. Regime Change was necessary
because
Saddam was an international outlaw.
He violated the 1991 Gulf War Truce and all arms controls agreements it embodied. Including United Nations
Resolutions 687, 689 and the 15 subsequent U.N. Resolutions designed to enforce them. The last
U.N. Security Council Resolution, 1441, was itself a war ULTIMATUM to Saddam, giving him ‘one final opportunity’ to disarm or else. The ultimatum expired December 7th, 2002 and America went to war three months later.
In 1998, Al Gore and Bill Clinton themselves called for the removal of Saddam Hussein by force when Saddam
expelled the U.N. Weapons Inspectors.
A clear violation of the Gulf War Truce.
This was the reason Clinton/Gore sent an “Iraqi Liberation Act” to Congress that year and it is why in 2002 the Congressional Democrats voted and authorized the President to remove him.
The entire Clinton/Gore National Security Team, Secretary of
State, Secretary of Defense & the Director of C.I.A. supported Bush when he sent
in troops to Iraq March 2003.
Authorization of use of force bill passed by majority of both parties in both houses is the legal basis for the
Presidents war. Yet, these Democrats betray their own words, actions & our troops by their slanders. The bill has 23 “whereas” clauses justifying the war. Two of these clauses refer to WMDs &12 refer to U.N. Resolutions Violations.
On the very eve of the war, March 17th, two days before the invasion, Bush issued an 11th hour ultimatum to Saddam to leave the country or face war. If Saddam left there would be no invasion. Isn’t it sad the Democrats blame Bush and not Saddam?
If Saddam would have left Bush knew whoever ruled would have honored the U.N. Resolutions.
The argument that Bush manipulated the facts
about Iraqi WMDs to pursue war is false.
Bush acted on the consensus of every Intelligence Agency like the British, French, Russians,
Germans & the Jordanians-all of whom believed Saddam had WMDs. Bush can not be accused of ‘inventing’ their existence, but Gore & the other Demagogues accuse Bush on a daily basis. Every Democratic Senator who voted 4 the war was provided, by the Administration a copy of the Intelligence Report/Data on Saddams WMDs. Charges by Gore & other Democrats are cynical, hypocritical as
well as false.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
Spare me your right wing Horowitz
propaganda.
Just even looking at the
very beginning…
Clinton successfully
prosecuted the WTC bombers, Mohammed A. Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad,
Mahmud Abouhalima and Ahmad M. Ajaj, Omar Abdel-Rahman, are all in prison, which is better than YOUR guys.
Clinton DID respond, (you
guys were more interested in Monica), while Bush’s buddies in Saudi, killed all
the witness of the Khorbar Towers,
The Cole???
Really????
Bush appointee Barbara Bodine was US ambassador to Yemen and blocked former
FBI Anti-Terror specialist John ONeill and his team’s investigation in Yemin;
“The FBI and some White House officials, in turn,
suspected Bodine was too sympathetic toward the Yemenis. The FBI special agent
in charge, John O’Neill, was forced to return to New York after butting heads
too many times with the ambassador.”
Meanwhile,
On 19 January 2001, the U.S. Navy completed and
released its Judge Advocate General Manual (JAGMAN) investigation of the
incident…… just days, before the new administration. Clinton did not want to
leave the new administration with the same kind of mess Bush Sr left him in Mogadishu.
As for Saddam… AFTER YOU
guys propped him up and armed him???
Then decided to come up
with bogus reasons for taking him out at the expense of how many lives??
If Bush thought that
Saddam was such a threat, why didn’t he run on removing him in the 2000
election?
Answer because as the
PNACers said in;
Rebuilding America’s Defenses;
“Further, the process of transformation, even if
it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”
Rebuilding America’s Defenses, pp 51
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
This was the biggest bamboozle of the American people in history.
Don’t be such a sucker.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 3:39 pm
Shame …shame …. shame. …
If you had read the Horowitz history lesson you would have answered your own post.
You said:
[[[If Bush thought thatSaddam was such a threat, why didn’t he run on removing him in the 2000
election?]]]]
Horowitz replies:
In 1998, Al Gore and Bill Clinton themselves called for the removal of Saddam Hussein by force when Saddam
expelled the U.N. Weapons Inspectors.
A clear violation of the Gulf War Truce.
This was the reason Clinton/Gore sent an “Iraqi Liberation Act” to Congress that year and it is why in 2002 the Congressional Democrats voted
and authorized the President to remove him.
The entire Clinton/Gore National Security Team, Secretary of
State, Secretary of Defense & the Director of C.I.A. supported Bush when he sent in troops to Iraq March 2003.
Authorization of use of force bill passed by majority of both parties in both houses is the legal basis for the
Presidents war. Yet, these Democrats betray their own words, actions & our troops by their slanders. The bill has 23 “whereas” clauses justifying the war.Two of these clauses refer to WMDs &12 refer to U.N. Resolutions Violations.
To which I add …. there were WMD’s!
http://conservativebyte.com/2013/04/bush-was-right-there-were-wmds/
Bush was right! Saddam did have
WMD’s!
Who else gave Saddam Chemical
weapons to use against Iran!
WE did!
Saddam also used them against his
own people, the KURDS!
He annihilated over 100,000+!
ht tp : / / w ww. truthorfiction.
com/rumors/u/uraniumyellowcake. ht m
500 Tons of Uranium Yellowcake
Secretly Moved From Iraq to Canada-Truth!
ht tp : / / w ww. msnbc. msn.
com/id/25546334
Video proof Saddam had WMDs!!
ht tp : / / uk. youtube. com/watch?v=FWzCQi-K5d4&feature=email
Bush inherited the
“IRAQI LIBERATION ACT” bill proposed by Al & Bill in 1998 & passed in
2002 to go into Iraq. Bush didn’t want to go into Afghanistan but what choice
did he have after 9/11?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 4:12 pm
Shame …shame …. shame. …
If you had read the Horowitz history lesson you would have answered your own post.
You said:
[[[If Bush thought thatSaddam was such a threat, why didn’t he run on removing him in the 2000
election?]]]]
___________
Shame on you for believing a hate monger like David Horowitz.
Clinton never advocated for a air attack of the entire country, a ground invasion and an occupation which is what counter insurgency is.
And we all know that Saddam used the weapons we sold him against his own people.
And Bush sr. was so upset that he said, “that’s a shame” as he flew over.
Nothing changed between the election cycle of 1999 -2000 and the war on Iraq, except the PNAC got their Pearl Harbor to use as an excuse to take over the resources of another country.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 6:02 pm
Good!
Let’s use what you wrote here,shall we?
You said:
[[Nothing changed between the election cycle of 1999 -2000 and the war on Iraq, except the PNAC got their Pearl Harbor to use as an excuse to take over the resources of another country.]]
Now show me where anyone from our coalition partners or ourselves took anything from Iraq!
Muslims are always exaggerating we took oil … I tell them we never took an ounce or a drop of oil … what say you?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 6:16 pm
Halliburton,Veritas CapitalFund/DynCorp,Washington Group International, Environmental Chemical, Aegis, International American Products, Erinys, Flour, Perini, Parsons, URS Corp, First Kuwaiti General Trading & Contracting , Armor Holdings , L3 Communications, AM General, HSBC Bank, Cummins, MerchantBridge, GlobalRisk Strategies, ControlRisks, CACI, Bechtel, Custer Battles, Nour,USA, General Dynamics…. To name a few.
Then;
Contractors Reap $138 Billion from Iraq War
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/19/business/iraq-war-contractors/
Did I say anything about oil?
That was how they sold the cost.
The were wrong about that as well.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 6:44 pm
Ohhhhhh….I get it now!
You are referring to …
BUSINESS!
Here I was assuming you were saying we STOLE from the Iraqis!
In all of these deals there were bi-partisan involvement.
So ….who stole what?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 6:59 pm
You are referring to …
BUSINESS!
________
That was the only reason to go.
We did.
We stole from the Iraqis when we destroyed their infrastructure, and paid cronies to try and rebuild it.
We stole from US taxpayers…transferred the wealth from the taxpayers to the contractors.
one tiny example;
In fact, the Iraqi government told our Coalition Provisional Authority that they did not wish the prison to be built. It was not needed, not necessary, and would not be used.
And you can see from these pictures that one of the buildings — the second floor is without a roof. There’s no plumbing, no electricity. No windows have been put in. The roads in the complex are in shambles.
And one of the witnesses today will describe a meeting he attended at which the Iraqi Minister of Justice told American officials of the Iraqi government not wanting the prison to be built.
It was nonetheless built. American taxpayers spent $40 million. And now the Whale, an unused Iraqi prison, sits unused on the desert in desperate disrepair, likely never to be used.
http://psm.du.edu/media/documents/congressional_comm/democratic_policy_committee/congress_dpcc_hearing47_2008_transcript.pdf
“Theft of such a staggering sum might seem unlikely, but U.S. officials aren’t ruling it out. Some U.S. contractors were accused of siphoning off tens of millions in kickbacks and graft during the post-invasion period, especially in its chaotic early days. But Iraqi officials were viewed as prime offenders”.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 7:10 pm
Don’t mince or twist words.
WE NEVER STOLE …. if we built back up.
Who cares about the cronies we stole from or you say we did.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
So we will see if you say that if someone bombs YOUR house, (not covered by insurance) then gets rich doling out contracts.
Don’t be silly.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 8:36 pm
Don’t be so shocked or naive…
that kind of thing happens all the time.
How many financially strapped people have NO insurance & get their cars stolen or their houses catch fire?
THE RICH GET RICHER?
We all pay the piper at the end of the game.
Just as OBooBoo is the culprit at the end of these scandals which are all the same rabbit hole.
Epiphany Dh June 6th, 2014 at 10:49 pm
The next time you post a graphic and violent video link you will be shown the door. Behave yourself if possible. Thanks.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 11:20 pm
Epiphany DH,
Nobody is stopping you…. here’s more!
NOW BAN ME!
Afraid of the truth?
Some of this stuff is happening here in America by Muslims!
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/ohio-islamic-school-childrens-ankles-wrists-chained-beaten-long-stick-learning-religious-passages/
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0309/Christian-homes-torched-by-Pakistani-mob
Christian homes
torched by Pakistani mob
Dozens of Christian homes were torched
by a mob of hundreds in the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore on Saturday, after
a Christian man was accused of blaspheming the Prophet Mohammad.
By
Rebecca Santana and Zaheer Babar, Associated Press / March 9, 2013
http://news.yahoo.com/islamists-said-execute-15-old-syrian-boy-heresy-224113788.html
Islamists
said to execute 15-year-old Syrian boy for heresy
http://global.christianpost.com/news/fifty-christians-burned-alive-in-pastors-home-in-nigeria-78303/
Fifty Christians
Burned Alive in Pastor’s Home in Nigeria
Reports
disclosed that over 100 people were killed by armed terrorists this past week,
who went on a 12-village killing spree in Nigeria’s Plateau state. Islamic
extremist group Boko Haram has once again taken responsibility for the
assaults.
William June 7th, 2014 at 2:36 am
Your point?
Attacks on US mosques prompt Muslim security concerns
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/17/13321512-attacks-on-us-mosques-prompt-muslim-security-concerns?lite
White Youths Who Torched Black Churches Get Prison
http://articles.latimes.com/1993-12-04/news/mn-63983_1_black-churches
Some of this stuff is happening here in America by Christians
Ednar June 7th, 2014 at 8:29 am
William,
What exactly …. seriously, what do you know of the ISLAMIC RELIGION?
Are you a Muslim, William?
Do you realize that only Islam gives all muslims permission to lie?
Do you know that Christians do NOT:share Gods, prophets, Jesus, Heaven or the Pentateuch with Islam?
Islam reintroduced their own versions… 600 years after the fact.
William June 7th, 2014 at 10:21 am
Guess what? Nice trick (signing is as guest)
I am a Christian.
Again. I’m not sure what country you live in, but here in America there is freedom of religion.
The bible has no bearing on the laws of this nation whatsoever.
Please take your theocratic BS elsewhere.
Now quick…run and hide. I think there is a Mooos-lim is coming to get you.
Living in your little world of fear, intolerance paranoia and hate would be (to me) much worse than death.
Bob Waas June 5th, 2014 at 7:15 pm
The liberals pressured for the release of Gitmo prisoners and then after 28% of them returned to the battle field, they criticized Bush for releasing them.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/09/06/160678301/percent-of-detainees-who-return-to-terrorism-after-release-edges-up
TiredOfThemAll June 5th, 2014 at 7:49 pm
1) Where does it say “liberals pressured for the release of Gitmo prisoners”?
What liberals?
How many were released between 2004 2007?
2) If you don’t want them released, charge them
Bob Waas June 5th, 2014 at 8:44 pm
I said it. You’re one and my liberal brother is another for starters; plus the endless talking heads on the news.
There was a constant cry to release the prisoners because they were being denied their right to a speedy trial.
Actually, they weren’t entitled to a speedy trial for a couple of reasons. 1. they weren’t US citizens. 2. combatants captured on the battlefield may be held until the end of the conflict.
The number released up to 2009 was 520.
If we use the same 28% recidivism rate, then we can expect 1 or more of those released will reengage in the battle. Considering these 5 were high ranking, it could be even higher.
TiredOfThemAll June 5th, 2014 at 9:34 pm
I wanted them charged or not brought here at all. Many of them were sold by war lords and we don’t know who they were. Some were ordered by the courts to be released.
If we could not charge them, and we did not call them POWs we had no right to hold them. It
was the conservative Court who agreed.
these 5 were high ranking but none were facing charges in either military or civilian courts for their actions. It remains an open question whether the end of U.S.
involvement in the armed conflict in Afghanistan requires that all Guantanamo detainees must be released. But there is no doubt that Taliban detainees captured in Afghanistan must be released because the armed conflict against the Taliban will be over.
Since when did Bush listen to “liberals”???
Bob Waas June 5th, 2014 at 9:43 pm
Bush listened to far more liberals than Obama has ever listen to any conservatives.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 7:08 am
As usual, I think the truth is 180 degrees opposite of the reality.
The Republican strategy was; Obstruct then blame Obama and Democrats for the damage done by the obstruction.
They knew they could count on the fact that it is much harder for the public to follow the positions of Congress over the years, than it is to follow the POTUS.
It was easy to polarize, then say “this is the most polarizing president…”.No matter HOW much Obama reaches out.
As former Sen. George Voinovich goes on record telling … “If Obama was for it, we had to be against it. “He [McConnell] wanted everyone to hold the fort. All he cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.”
At a meeting at the Caucus Room , Frank Luntz, and senior GOP members worked out a plan on
inauguration day, 2009, to repeatedly block Obama over the coming four years to try to ensure he would not be re-elected.
(At the peak of the greatest crisis since 1929).
Hence, Cap and Trade went from being “market solutions” when Republicans promoted it to anti
businesses “Cap and Tax” when Obama shunned his base and reached across the aisle to promote a policy that REPUBLICANS had supported in the past.
Republicans who had embraced healthcare mandates as “personal responsibility”, called it Socialism, Marxism, Maoism and carried sign comparing it to Dachau.
(See ;1993, Consumer Choice Health Security Act (SB 1743)
Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act (SB 1770))
They filibuster their own bills, while they filibuster Court appointees endorsed by the two Oklahoma
senators (when the filibuster is broke he receives unanimous confirmation).
Even Leon Hadar from the American Conservative;
In a way, much of what Obama has been advocating on domestic policy is not very different from what a Bush I administration (or Nixon, Ford or Eisenhower) would be doing, ranging from raising taxes, reforming immigration policy, or protecting the environment. Obama, in short, is not a socialist or a even a social-democrat, just a good old centrist Republican.
Once the economy began to revive, Obama offered a $4-trillion debt reduction framework that would have cut $3 to $6 of spending for every $1 in tax hikes. That’s a higher ratio of cuts to hikes than Republican voters, in a Gallup poll, said they preferred.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148472/Deficit-Americans-Prefer-Spending-Cuts-Open-Tax-Hikes.aspx
That’s way more conservative than the ratio George H. W. Bush accepted in 1990. In last year’s debt-ceiling talks, Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid in exchange for revenue that didn’t even come from higher tax rates
Meanwhile;
BY BRUCE BARTLETT,
The Fiscal Times
August 5, 2011
“In a recent column, I argued that Barack Obama has in
practice governed as a moderate conservative.
No doubt, many of these conservatives would say today that they are disappointed that Obama didn’t follow through on his centrist promise. Nevertheless, it’s clear that Obama’s conservatism, which I believe is fully evident in his policies as president, has long been there to see by those
willing to be honest with themselves.”
I have no doubt that if the mentality of this GOP Congress had been transported back to 1964, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would have gone down in flames because EVERY Republican, (along with every Southern Democrat) would have opposed it, instead of just EVERY Southern Republican and EVERY Southern Democrat…. just to deny the president a bipartisan victory.
It was also Obama’s compromising that caused many liberals to stay home in 2010.
cliftymike June 6th, 2014 at 7:46 am
yep…..but it does not matter, just what the facts are.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 10:16 am
Good information, I’ll have to check it out. I see things a little bit different as a conservative and an Independent, with leanings towards Libertarian.
I have a couple of questions.
1. Why does Harry Reid refuse to put to a vote bills that passed in the House by a large majority?
2. Why take from those who paid for benefits as Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare.
3. Why do they say we are running out of money for Social Security and Medicare, but they never run out of money for Welfare, Food Stamps, and subsidized housing?
4. Could it be that Obama’s every decision is put to a hard test because of his lack of experience? He never supervised personnel, he had no military experience, he had no business experience, and he never had to personally meet a payroll. In fact, he was never in charge of anything significant, ever.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 11:53 am
Good information, I’ll have to check it out. I see things a little bit different as a conservative and an Independent, with leanings towards Libertarian.
I have a couple of questions.
1. Why does Harry Reid refuse to put to a vote bills that passed in the House by a large majority?
~ The same reason that Boehner wouldn’t allow the Continuing Resolution that passed the Senate, unemployment, immigration….
2. Why take from those who paid for benefits as Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare.
~ Actually, what Obama offered was NOT to increase the chained CPI.
3. Why do they say we are running out of money for Social Security and Medicare, but they never run out of money for Welfare, Food Stamps, and subsidized housing?
~ We are NOT running out of money for Social Security and Medicare, which have their OWN funding.
One might also say, Why do they say we are running out of money for Social Security, Medicare, and safety nets for the poor and working poor, but ALWAYS have money for corporate welfare, especially defense contractors?
4. Could it be that Obama’s every decision is put to a hard test because of his lack of experience?
~ Obama’s every decision is put to a hard test because they do not want the economy to improve while he is POTUS.
Their own quotes make it very clear that their only goal is to obstruct what the people vote for so that they can blame Obama for the People’s will not being carried out.
Again, these are decisions that they supported in the past.
Bush was a failed businessman and governor of a state where compared to the governors of other U.S. states, the governorship of Texas is a fairly weak office. The Lieutenant Governor of
Texas, who presides over the state Senate, is considered a more powerful political figure, being able to exercise greater personal prerogatives.
Here the people spoke loud and clear in both opinion polls AND the poll that we call the election.
As for those who HAVE….He never supervised personnel, he had no military experience, he had no business experience, and he never had to personally meet a payroll. In fact, he was never in charge of anything significant, ever.
They are the ones who tanked the economy and squandered our blood and treasure.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 3:42 pm
I’m not sure how showing that Obama lacked any experience got turned around to attack Bush. You claim Bush was a failed business man, yet he made money for his investors. Obama couldn’t fail at business because he never had to earn a living working at anything that produced.
I have many friends from Texas and they absolutely loved Bush as Governor. They didn’t like his spending as president, and neither did I, but they love the man.
Here is more history on the man…
“Bush assembled the group of partners that purchased the Texas Rangers baseball franchise in 1989 and later built the Rangers’ new home, the Ballpark at Arlington. He served as managing general partner of the Texas Rangers until he was elected governor on November 8, 1994. In a historic reelection victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms, winning 68.6 percent of the vote. During three Texas legislative sessions, Governor Bush worked in a spirit of bipartisan cooperation with the lieutenant governor, speaker of the house, and members of the Texas legislature to enact historic reforms to improve public schools, cut taxes, put welfare recipients to work, curb frivolous lawsuits, encourage new business and job growth, and strengthen criminal justice laws.”
What tanked our economy was sub-prime mortgages and the lack of oversight by those in charge; namely Dodd and Frank.
There are many articles regarding the cause for the sub-prime problem that cause the recession and they point fingers on who promoted it and who warned against it.
I lost my money after the dot.com bubble busted. Should we blame that on Clinton? Bush inherited the recession, just like Obama inherited a recession. The only difference is Bush’s policies took us out of it and Obama’s haven’t, even though he through a trillion dollars at the problem.
I’m not sure how anyone can defend Obama as a good leader based on his own work experience and the people he surrounded himself with. His administration had the lowest percent of people with any public business experience in history.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 4:04 pm
I don’t know why you think that someone who made money for investors is qualified to have an agenda followed without question.
Especially when Bush got contracts (For Harken) that more experienced companies did not, (his dad was POTUS);
A 1985 disclosure shows Bush’s track record: Investors got back only 45 cents on the dollar, but few complained.
Investors also got tax deductions averaging more than 80 cents on every dollar invested. Those early Bush ventures were mainly tax shelters.
When his father was president, there were suspicions that the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain tried to enrich the younger Bush. Bahrain granted an exclusive drilling contract to Harken Energy Corporation, in which the younger Bush held stock. But he says he opposed the deal.
He also used the government to take the Mathis’s family land in order to build Texas Stadium.
The economy tanked because the get government off the backs of business crowd, the GOP Congress/Clinton and Greenspan stopped regulating.
Bush said;
Freddie Mac recently began 25 initiatives around the country to dismantle barriers and create greater opportunities for homeownership. One of the programs is designed to help deserving
families who have bad credit histories to qualify for homeownership loans.
The other thing Kirbyjon told me, which I really appreciate, is you don’t have to have a lousy home for first-time home buyers. If you put your mind to it, the first-time home buyer, the low-income home buyer can have just as nice a house as anybody else.
His state is at the bottom in education, wages, health insurance….
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021015-7.html
Also;
Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.
In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency , invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government’s actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all
50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.
I think Obama has done a really good job under the worst conditions, in the most toxic climate, surrounded by people who are bought and paid for by Big Business in both parties, and an opposition for whom failure is a strategy.
I think he has surrounded himself with wonderful people who reflect the will of the American people, whereas Bush, surrounded himself with old Iran Contra felons, and those like Cheney and Wolfowitz, who have been wrong for 40 years;
The Committee on the Present Danger (CPD aka Team B) is a hawkish “advocacy organization” first founded in 1950 and re-formed in 1976 to push for larger defense budgets and arms buildups, to counter the Soviet Union.
Team B also claimed that the Soviets were working on an anti-acoustic submarine, though they failed to find any evidence of one. The hawks explained away this lack of evidence by stating
that “the submarine may have already been deployed because it appeared to
have evaded detection.”
In the 1975, Richard Perle (Remember him?) leaked classified information Bob Novak (remember him?) of Rowland Evans and Novak to leak classified information in the 1970’s – and is now a member of the board of Hollinger International Inc., which owns the Chicago Sun-Times, the home newspaper of Novak’s syndicated column.
The Washington Post that Richard Perle was the chief suspect in another Novak-assisted leak of classified information in December 1975: “Novak, with his late partner Rowland Evans, got the classified leak – that President Ford and Secretary of State H.Kissinger were ready to make concessions to the Soviet Union to save SALTII.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 7:03 pm
I guess I remember things differently. Obama has not had to deal with a GOP Senate, Bush had a Democratic Senate for 3.5 years of his presidency and learned to work with the other side, much like Clinton did.
As for the Fannie Freddie issue. McCain was also vocal about the impending disaster.
“Over the past six years, the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of failure to reform GSEs but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. In fact, it was Congress that flatly rejected President Bush’s call more than five years ago to reform the GSEs. Over the years, the President’s repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems with the GSEs.”
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/10/20081009-10.html
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 7:14 pm
They did say that, but their actions never matched their words.
Meanwhile;
Virtually none of the $1.5 trillion of cratering subprime mortgages were backed by Fannie or Freddie.
Most subprime mortgages did not meet Fannie or Freddie’s lending standards. All
those no money down, no interest for a year, low teaser rate loans, and the loans made without checking a borrower’s income or employment history were all made in the private sector, without any support from Fannie and Freddie.
While the credit bubble was peaking from 2003 to 2006, the amount of loans originated by Fannie and Freddie dropped from $2.7 trillion to $1 trillion.
Meanwhile, in the private sector, the amount of subprime
loans originated jumped to $600 billion from $335 billion and Alt-A loans hit
$400 billion from $85 billion in 2003. Fannie and Freddie, which wouldn’t
accept crazy floating rate loans, which required income verification and
minimum down payments, were left out of the insanity
Rep. Barney Frank chairman of the Financial Services Committee, and his predecessor, Rep. Michael Oxley (R-OH) made efforts to enhance regulatory oversight on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, including the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2005 and sponsoring the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2007. Both of these bills called for a new agency to oversee and
regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
You know who also tried to warn about loose lending???
According to 1999 and 2000 reports in American Banker, ACORN was an outspoken, consistent advocate for exactly the kinds
of regulations that experts across the political spectrum now agree could have
prevented the global economic crisis.
On August 4, 2000, American Banker
reported on ACORN protests at nationwide offices of Lehman Brothers – the
investment bank that went bankrupt last month because of its investment in
over-valued mortgage-backed securities:
“Acorn members said they want
Lehman and other investment banks to sign a code of ethics, pledging to adhere
to ‘best practices’ in the mortgage Oakland lending business. Though the banks are not lenders, the group
argues that they provide capital and financial support to abusive lenders by
buying and securitizing their loans.
‘They have to look at the terms of the
loans they are funding and say they won’t buy or securitize loans with
unconscionable terms,’ said Bertha Lewis, executive director of Acorn in New York.
‘These secondary market players can see what kind of loans these are. They must
refuse to buy loans from predatory lenders.'”
The law would have
prohibited subprime mortgage lenders from making a loan unless the borrower
could afford it and had obtained a written certification from an independent
credit counselor stating that the borrower had received financial advice, which
was overturned in the Supreme Court of California: AMERICAN FINANCIAL SERVICES ) ASSOCIATION, v
CITY OF OAKLAND et al.,
American Financial Services, is a trade
association representing lenders,
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 8:59 pm
This is how I remember it.
Fannie, Freddie caused the financial crisis – http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/story/2011-11-23/Fannie-Freddie-financial-crisis/51386932/1
“More than 70% of these 27 million weak mortgages were on the books of government agencies, primarily the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”
Here’s why it happened. In 1992, Democratic controlled Congress adopted legislation that imposed “affordable housing” requirements on the GSEs.
2001
April: The Administration’s FY02 budget declares
that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is “a potential
problem,” because “financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity.” (2002 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 142)
2002
October:
Senator Thomas Carper (D-DE) refuses to acknowledge any necessity for GSE reforms, saying “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” (Sen. Carper, Hearing of Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, 10/16/03)
2003
September: Then-Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact “legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored
enterprises” and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.
September:
Then-House Financial Services Committee Ranking Member Barney Frank (D-MA) strongly disagrees with the Administration’s assessment, saying “these two entities – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any
kind of financial crisis … The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.” (Stephen Labaton, “New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae,” The New York Times, 9/11/03)
2004
February: The President’s FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and
their low levels of required capital and calls for creation of a new, world-class regulator: “The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore … should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator.” (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)
February: Then-CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to “not take [the financial market’s] strength for granted.” Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by “ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator.” (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, “Keeping Fannie And Freddie’s House In Order,” Financial Times, 2/24/04)
April: Rep. Frank ignores the warnings, accusing the Administration of creating an “artificial issue.” At a speech to the Mortgage Bankers Association conference, Rep. Frank said “people tend to pay their mortgages.
I don’t think we are in any remote danger here. This focus
on receivership, I think, is intended to create fears that aren’t
there.” (“Frank: GSE Failure A Phony Issue,” American
Banker, 4/21/04)
2005
April: Then-Secretary Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying “Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for
expanding homeownership opportunities in America … Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system.” (Secretary John W. Snow, “Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee,” 4/13/05)
July: Then-Minority Leader Harry Reid rejects legislation reforming GSEs, “while I favor improving oversight by our federal housing regulators to ensure safety and soundness, we cannot pass legislation that could limit Americans from owning homes and potentially harm our economy in the
process.” (“Dems Rip New Fannie Mae Regulatory Measure,” United Press
International, 7/28/05)
2007 August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying “first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options.” (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, the
White House, 8/9/07)
I remember ACORN protesting the lenders to make more loans available.
“I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate
your work.” — Barack Obama, Speech to ACORN, November 2007
http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/obama-sued-citibank-under-cra-to-force-it-to-make-bad-loans/
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 9:17 pm
I said everything I have to say.
Fannie and Freddie had nothing to do with it.
This was all Big investment banks looking for low risk investments that paid a good return.
They came up with mortgage backed securities to meet the demand of assets.
Wall Street loved them.
The demand mortgage backed securities was so high, that there was a point somewhere in 2003 when everyone who qualified for a mortgage got one, and still the global pool of money wanted more.
They figured that by the time they blew up, they will have made their money.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
I think we wore this one out.
I agree, greedy bankers and the availability of money are the main contributors.
Too many tried to place the blame on GWB and that is what I took exception to because the evidence proves otherwise. It started with the Community Reinvestment Act, a well intended program. It was poor oversight and the Congress’s failure to act after being warned of the impending problem.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 9:54 pm
It started with the Community Reinvestment Act
______
We almost reached agreement.
84.3 percent of subprime loans in 2006
were made by financial institutions not governed by the CRA.
The
CRA does not cover independent mortgage companies, which issued the vast
majority of the loans underlying the crisis. The act applies only to depository banks and S&L’s
that are federally insured.
As subprime lending exploded in this
decade, CRA lost its relevance because it doesn’t cover the more loosely
regulated non-bank mortgage companies, which increasingly took the mortgage
market away from banks and thrifts.
According to
Federal Reserve Governor Randall Kroszner, the claim that “the law
pushed banking institutions to undertake high-risk mortgage lending” was
contrary to their experience, and that no empirical evidence had been presented
to support the claim. In a Bank for International
Settlements (BIS) working paper, economist Luci Ellis concluded that
“there is no evidence that the Community Reinvestment Act was responsible
for encouraging the subprime lending boom and subsequent housing bust”,
relying partly on evidence that the housing bust has been a largely exurban
event.
In the February 2008 House hearing, law professor Michael S. Barr, a
Treasury Department official under President Clinton, stated that a Federal
Reserve survey showed that affected institutions considered CRA loans
profitable and not overly risky. He noted that approximately 50% of the
subprime loans were made by independent mortgage companies that were not
regulated by the CRA, and another 25% to 30% came from only partially CRA
regulated bank subsidiaries and affiliates. Barr noted that institutions fully
regulated by CRA made “perhaps one in four” sub-prime loans, and that
“the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with
the least federal oversight.
I think blaming the CRA is blaming poor people for the excess of rich bankers.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 10:07 pm
Got it. The CRA was the vehicle the bankers exploited. The main thing is they need to find a balance where they don’t over correct and tighten the requirements so it is too hard to get a loan.
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 10:24 pm
I think they did a good job with Glass Steagall.
The bank had to keep the loan and couldn’t sell it.
That way they make sure the borrower can pay it back, because they don’t want to be stuck with it.
foxnewslieseveryday June 7th, 2014 at 12:54 am
“The CRA was the vehicle the bankers exploited.”
Find me a banker that says he was forced to ignore sound lending policy by the CRA.
I’ll wait.
foxnewslieseveryday June 7th, 2014 at 12:51 am
” It started with the Community Reinvestment Act”
No it didn’t.
“This is even more ridiculous than blaming Freddie and Fannie.”
http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinvestment_act_had_nothing_to_do_with_subprime_crisis.html
jaethorn June 6th, 2014 at 10:53 am
Liberals want them charged. Holding people without charging them is not American or right.
Bob Waas June 6th, 2014 at 11:10 am
Not morally right, but those being held in Gitmo were captured fighting against our troops. They were considered a danger to the security of the USA.
They most likely evaluated the possible danger to our troops when they released 520 prisoners and still, 28% returned to the battle.
The rules of war says that you may retain captured prisoners until the end of the conflict.
If your loved one was murdered by a prisoner returning to the battle you would probably be very upset that he was released.
Obewon June 6th, 2014 at 10:42 am
Former Gitmo Prosecuctor Explains Why Bergdhal Deal Was Great For America-6/6/14 The Afghanistan war ends 12/31/14 and we’re going to have to release any of the remaining untried & unconvicted detainees for zip: “as there will be no legal ability to hold them.” http://www.alan.com/2014/06/06/former-gitmo-prosecuctor-explains-why-bergdhal-deal-was-great-for-america/ As of 5/31/14 GTMO Docket: 621 detainees were transferred with 149 detainees remaining.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 11:57 am
Hold on there hoss …
You are agreeing to these swap?
The “recidivism rate under GWB’s Admin…” will NOT compare to the recidivism rate under Obama’s Admin when all five COMMAND & BEGIN TO KILL ONCE AGAIN. … 100%!
Why should have America swapped these five most dangerous men on the planet to someone who deserted?
WHAT P.O.W.?
He voluntarily went to the Taliban!
He deserted once came back then deserted again!
WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE & WHO IS THE IDIOT(S) IN CHARGE?
Obewon June 6th, 2014 at 12:00 pm
“The Afghanistan war ends 12/31/14 and we’re going to have to release any of the remaining untried & unconvicted detainees for zip:” Faux news has clearly bamboozled you via their uninformed xenophobia.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
Where’s your hindsight?
Who cares about the Afghanistan war ending … allegedly this year?
Has that stopped the wars from ending in Iraq?
There are hundreds of splinter groups from Al Qaeda … & many more that will be created b/c of these five men.
We have sleeper cells in our country, Canada & Mexico.
These FIVE commanders will energize the enthusiasm of new recruits to embolden them to take advantage of America;s weaknesses. Obama is so weak,Putin is laughing at him at this very moment!
Obama wants the world to like him … typical narcissist.
He acquiesced & gave up our Eastern Defense Shield to Russia’s request …like a good pal!
You have NO idea how horrible this trade was.
Five terrorists for a man who liked to talk to the taliban b/c he was bored being an American soldier!
He left before then came back then went off again … under his own volition!
POW?
Yeah,right …the Pope is Jewish too!
Obewon June 6th, 2014 at 12:24 pm
LMAO! Wing Nut Daily surely misses you e. g. “ht tp : / / w ww. wnd. com/2013/01/egyptian-mag-affirms-brotherhood-infiltration-of-white-house/”- Ednar18 hours ago
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 12:33 pm
FREE
KITTENS………..Free !!!!
A pretty little girl named Suzy was standing on the sidewalk in front of her
home. Next to her was a basket containing a number tiny creatures; in her hand
was a sign announcing FREE KITTENS.
Suddenly a line of big black cars pulled
up beside her. Out of the lead car stepped a tall, grinning man.
“Hi there, little girl, I’m President Obama. What do you have in
the basket?” he asked.
“Kittens.” little Suzy said.
How old are they? asked Obama.
Suzy replied, “They’re so young, their eyes aren’t even open
yet.”
“And what kind of kittens are they?”
“Democrats,” answered Suzy with a smile.
Obama was delighted.
As soon as he returned to his car, he called his PR chief and told
him about the little girl and the kittens.
Recognizing the perfect photo op, the two men agreed that the president
should return the next day, and, in front of the assembled media, have the girl
talk about her discerning kittens.
So the next day, Suzy was again standing on the sidewalk with her basket
of “FREE KITTENS” when another motorcade pulled up, this time
followed by vans from ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN.
Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Obama got out of
his limo and walked over to little Suzy.
“Hello, again,” he said, “Id love it if you would tell
all my friends out there what kind of kittens you’re giving away.”
“Yes sir,” Suzy said. “They’re Republicans.”
Taken by surprise, the president stammered, “But… but…
yesterday, you told me they were DEMOCRATS.”
Little Suzy smiled and said, “I know. But today, they have their
eyes open.”
arc99 June 6th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
my eyes are open enough to think this is funnier, and much closer to the truth.
“”Donald Rumsfeld is giving President Bush his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: “Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed.”
“OH NO!” the President exclaims. “That’s terrible!”
His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.
Finally, the President looks up and asks, “How many is a brazillion?”
jaethorn June 6th, 2014 at 10:52 am
Except one of them is suspected in the Lybia attack. The attack that republicans go on and on about how we should have prevented.
Ednar June 6th, 2014 at 11:59 am
So… should we have killed them all? ABSOLUTELY!
Or let them all go?
Bad move to have traded the five most dangerous men for someone who volunteered to be the talibans best friend & snitch!
P.O.W., my keaster.
Jessica Neubauer June 6th, 2014 at 2:32 pm
Did you know that Nixon pardoned McCain for all the information while being held by the Viet Cong?
No, of course you didn’t.
Let’s see what you do after being captured and held for 5 years. You’d pee yourself skinny.
STICKERS ARE UGLY June 6th, 2014 at 3:21 pm
Liberals wanted to change the channel from VA scandal to heroic soldier returns home..abort, abort, abort…blame Bush….
Chinese Democracy June 6th, 2014 at 4:35 pm
you are so smart! You figured it out. Liberals decided that getting a SOLDIER back would take everyones mind off of the VA
If Bush is to blame for something then why not blame him? Well now that I think about it he was just Cheneys puppet
Why are you repeating verbatim what you have heard just like the other RWNJs?
TiredOfThemAll June 6th, 2014 at 7:00 pm
Liberals wanted to change the channel from VA scandal to heroic soldier returns home..abort, abort, abort…blame Bush..
______
Actually, it’s the Republicans who did that by having a hissy fit over something that Obama did, that they DEMANDED that Obama do.
Because they filibustered the VA bill?
William June 7th, 2014 at 12:25 pm
America. where a gaggle of right wing Fox “journalist” can change a returning POW from soldier to jihadist in one week.
protectionistt June 7th, 2014 at 3:34 pm
Almost all weren’t released”, they were transferred. Of those who were released, many returned to the battlefield. All the more reason for Obama to not have made this stupid deal. As for the notion that the war is almost over, EARTH TO ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT: Islamic jihad war will NEVER be over.
The ragyheads will continue fighting killing, bombing, attacking. THEY determine when war will be over, and you can be they won’t do that.
Suzy June 9th, 2014 at 3:19 am
I don’t understand why it is different when Bush lets over 500 prisoners go and the republicans didn’t say much about it. I also don’t understand how so many people can’t not understand that soon all prisoners of war will be released as the wars have come to an end. We have always let prisoners of war loose or exchanged them for ours. Even Nazi soldiers were let loose. We don’t keep them until they die. Bush caused all these problems because he wanted to attack these countries. If I am not mistaken not one of the 9-11 terrorist came from those two countries. Also Bush and Cheney received information 6 times that we were going to be attacked and probably by plane and Bush and Cheney did not do one thing about it. Supposedly his excuse was he thought it was to throw him off the track of Saddam.
paynewalker June 15th, 2014 at 7:37 am
How’s that whole “the war is coming to an end” theory working out for ya?
OldLefty June 15th, 2014 at 7:43 am
How’s that whole “the war is coming to an end” theory working out for ya?
________
Actually, everything that has happened in Iraq is EXACTLY what the anti war crowd said would happen.
RoyalPayne June 10th, 2014 at 4:04 pm
How is it that Bush was able to write an executive order 2 days after Obama took office? That what the 2nd line, in the ” ” section of this story, said. ” A White House Executive order issued on the 2nd day of Obamas’ presidency…….federal government has moved more than 500 such detainees from……..”. How is it that Bush is blamed when the Order was from Obamas White House?
Shaudius June 13th, 2014 at 11:03 pm
The order didn’t release the prisoner the order mentioned that 520 prisoners had been released already.