Images: How NRA Supporters React To Moms’ Gun Sense Group Over Open Carry At Kroger
After the NRA posted the following image on their Facebook page of a Kroger manager in Ohio refusing to accept a petition from Moms Demand Action to end open carrying firearms in stores, Bearingarms.com asserted that it’s a ‘basic human right” to carry long guns in a store where families shop with their children.
Ironically and hypocritically, in another post, the site’s author states, “Open carry announces to the world that you are armed. That makes you a primary target in almost any conceivable situation.”
The following are NRA supporters who left messages on the Moms Demand Action Facebook page.
Kangaroo Kevin, an alleged human, writes that he supports Kroger and opposes gay marriage while suggesting that the gun sense group fucks trees and licks dogs.
[su_center_ad]At any rate, comments poured in which offer us a glimpse into the type of business Kroger prefers. Jeff Bruner says he carries 3 guns at all times as well as two knives.
Donald Donnie Foerch Jr, writes, “God bless Croger.” [sic]
Ricky Walker just wants people to “see” his guns. Ricky has two guns. He’s super-duper-tough and he totally does not look like a gangsta.
Eric supports Kroger. I can tell because he types that thought repeatedly.
Chris Bruster openly carries a firearm because of ‘evil’ people in our country, all of whom he obviously believes meet up at Kroger.
Bill is “rockin out” with his Glock, because clearly that’s why the Second Amendment was created.
People that defend the NRA by keeping their memberships intact, aren’t paying attention. The aforementioned people made their plans clear: They will openly carry guns into Kroger locations across the country with no regard for families who shop there with their children.
A favorite bit of rhetoric from Open Carry activists is that a gun is simply an inanimate object. While that’s true, the people with their hands on the trigger don’t look like ‘good guys with a gun.’
Are these the folks Kroger should be “trusting to be responsible with their guns in stores” as per their statement? You be the judge. As for me, I’ve been spending my delicious dollars elsewhere — until a gun policy is implemented.
Big thanks to my tipster whose anonymity shall be respected here.
All images obtained on social media, thereby making them fair use. [su_csky_ad]
causeican October 8th, 2014 at 4:34 pm
Looks like a photo gallery of people most likely to shoot themselves or their family members.
Kingminnie October 8th, 2014 at 5:08 pm
Just was I was thinking, or a family member will accidentally shoot another family member.
Foundryman October 8th, 2014 at 4:47 pm
A good activist counter point would be to load up a cart full of groceries, roll it to the check out lane, leave it there with a note stating, ” i’ll be back to buy these groceries later once a sign on your door says, “No guns allowed”…. and walk out.
KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker October 8th, 2014 at 4:52 pm
That’s a great idea.
Suggest you make it frozen goods.
Tammy Minton Haley October 8th, 2014 at 4:57 pm
is there anything, anything illegal about that, at all?
like, “intentionally destroying store property”?
i mean, a crafty lawyer…. 🙂
i could see me doing some passive-aggressive thing like that…yep…
R.J. Carter October 8th, 2014 at 4:59 pm
Yes, actually. It’s called “theft of services.”
Tammy Minton Haley October 8th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
would it be “theft of service”? i thought that one was used for utilities thefts…i was thinking more like “destroying private property”, in the case of frozen foods…
oh, hell–they could probably charge both! 🙂
R.J. Carter October 8th, 2014 at 5:15 pm
(Puts on my “I’m not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet” hat)
They could probably charge both. But “private property” usually is reserved for the infrastructure — i.e. breaking the windows or spraypainting the walls. “Theft” is if you steal the inventory, and “theft of services” if you render the inventory unsellable (i.e. intentionally causing spoilage of an item the store intends to sell for profit as a service).
(takes off my hat, puts on my plate metal armor and waits…)
Tammy Minton Haley October 8th, 2014 at 5:22 pm
that makes sense, internet attorney/shining knight…
Carla Akins October 8th, 2014 at 5:25 pm
I’m guessing it would be a misdemeanor, but intent would probably factor in. I would not encourage or go into a store for the purpose of intentionally leaving a cart – but by the same token, there are some incredibly stupid ass people in Kansas CIty and if I pass one carrying a gun in my local grocers (no Krogers here anymore) I would leave. I would also alert the manager to my cart and why I was leaving on my out.
Foundryman October 8th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
I think if frozen goods were ruined, you could possibly face vandalism charges, and would be counter productive to the cause. I would avoid doing damage.
On the other hand, it would be the stores responsibility to return them to the coolers and freezers…
Tammy Minton Haley October 8th, 2014 at 5:04 pm
yeah…like i said…a crafty lawyer’ll get ya, fer sure!
StoneyCurtisll October 8th, 2014 at 5:02 pm
Or any spoil-able goods.
Kingminnie October 8th, 2014 at 5:07 pm
I saw this same suggestion posted about Target and the restaurants. I think it’s a great suggestion but I wouldn’t post a note, they can blow away. If I saw someone open carrying I’d roll my cart right up to the service desk and make sure they knew why I was leaving it right there. That’s IF I were to ever shop in a Kroger again as long as they allow this crap. Sigh. Kroger’s is my store…I’m sure as hell not shopping at a Walmart.
R.J. Carter October 8th, 2014 at 4:47 pm
If they’d been creative, they’d have put up pics like this one. That’s the acceptable thing to do when protesting on Facebook.
Anomaly 100 October 8th, 2014 at 4:55 pm
I loves me the Second Amendment goat!
Tammy Minton Haley October 8th, 2014 at 5:06 pm
uh, oh! a comment i made is being held up…i’m sorry if it’s bad! i don’t think it’s bad! 🙂
Carla Akins October 8th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
There is nothing in pending, is it still not showing?
Tammy Minton Haley October 8th, 2014 at 8:24 pm
thank ya’ll!
R.J. Carter October 8th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
I approved it. Not sure what word triggered the hold.
Tammy Minton Haley October 8th, 2014 at 8:23 pm
🙂
Abby Normal October 8th, 2014 at 5:16 pm
The goat says, “Baaaack. Baaaaack up and get away from me. I mean it.”
Chinese Democracy October 8th, 2014 at 5:56 pm
or ducks
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 6:08 pm
Totes Mcgoats!
StoneyCurtisll October 8th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
And people are afraid of Ebola?…
This gun nut worship is far more threatening than Ebola..
pauly October 8th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
I never really considered myself a “thrill seeker” but I tend to go buy my bread unarmed and unafraid. Crazy Huh?!? But than again I don’t have “small man” syndrome or a big mouth that gets me in trouble.
Abby Normal October 8th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
“Ricky Walker just wants people to see his gun.”
Abby Normal October 8th, 2014 at 5:10 pm
I’m sure it won’t matter to KKKroger but I’ll never set foot in a KKKroger store again.
M D Reese October 8th, 2014 at 5:14 pm
I fantasize about the day that the Walmarts and Krogers stores open their doors in the morning and the only customers are two guys strapped with assault-style rifles, handguns with extended clips, and buying nothing but a bag of Doritos and a YooHoo.
Foundryman October 8th, 2014 at 5:19 pm
And then rob them while eating the doritos…
My fantasy is watching an open carry nut walk into a bank with his AR over his shoulder to make withdrawal….
M D Reese October 9th, 2014 at 7:02 pm
I’d like to see that too. It would be the perfect cover…
Kingminnie October 8th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
https://www.coworker.org/petitions/groceries-not-guns-at-kroger-1
In case you wanted to sign a petition. If not, sorry.
Abby Normal October 8th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
Thanks for the headsup. I just went and signed it.
M D Reese October 8th, 2014 at 5:12 pm
I almost wish we had a Kroger’s here just so that I could stop shopping there. Actually, I don’t go to any big box stores and I avoid crowds–especially if alcohol is present. I live in a state with pretty much NO gun laws. No conceal carry permit required, and you can take whatever kind of gun you want pretty much anywhere except the courthouse (?) and the airport. Do I feel safe? No. My town’s biggest drug problem is booze.
Chinese Democracy October 8th, 2014 at 5:57 pm
we have a ralphs but I think its kroger.. sneaky bastids heh
Tommy6860 October 8th, 2014 at 5:20 pm
What idiots! There’s help for those walking hard-ons who biologically shoot blanks.
Abby Normal October 8th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
If we’re libtards, are they guntards?
JustaSlob October 8th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
Ha!
fancypants October 8th, 2014 at 5:32 pm
I guess they are not going to support trick-or-treat this year ?
R J October 8th, 2014 at 5:36 pm
They all have the same loser look about them
Dez October 8th, 2014 at 5:38 pm
You really got to question the lifestyle of gun nuts that are so afraid that they carry a gun wherever they go. Maybe they need to get new friends or a new place if they constantly need to be armed. I guess gun sense people just made better life choices so that we don’t have to be afraid to go to the grocery store without a gun.
Abby Normal October 8th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
KKKroger offers 10% discount to Guntards.
tracey marie October 8th, 2014 at 5:56 pm
No they do not
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 5:45 pm
I’m so glad I live in Maine. I can go shopping and no one feels the need to carry a high powered assault weapon. I guess where they live must suck.
tiredoftea October 8th, 2014 at 8:19 pm
Yeah, but they keep attack lobsters!
vince October 9th, 2014 at 9:15 am
Open carry is legal in Maine.
Mainah October 9th, 2014 at 9:40 am
Yes. I am well aware of it. But no one seems the need to do it. Most people here don’t feel the need to “openly” carry. It’s been on the books since 2006 and I’ve only seen one guy do it. The old timer’s glared at him because it’s a stupid thing to do. If you’re that afraid of the world, you’ve got issues. Most people I know have their CCW.
vince October 9th, 2014 at 1:07 pm
None of these moms boycotting have seen it either, yet they still boycott. A large portion live in states where it is not even legal to open carry, yet they are still boycotting.
Mainah October 10th, 2014 at 10:54 am
And that’s their right to do so. That’s what America is all about. We petition, we can boycott, we can peacefully assemble, just like the NRA stages it’s own type of “assembly” when they meet up at a restaurant strapped with an AR-15 to push their open carry agenda. Plus, the actual article doesn’t say whether or not they’ve seen people carrying long guns. So that’s not a point I can argue, facts not in evidence. Just because my state allows it doesn’t mean the area businesses allow it. Don’t conflate the two. I wouldn’t patron a grocery store or any store that allowed people to bring in their “long guns” or any guns strapped to their hips, unless they’re a cop.
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 5:47 pm
Oh, and somebody should tell little Ricky Walker that the “duck lip” look is so 2009.
Anomaly 100 October 8th, 2014 at 5:51 pm
I think he’s trying for that Kelly LaBrock look.
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 5:55 pm
I think he secretly wishes he was Lara Croft.
Anomaly 100 October 8th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
There will only be one Angelina Jolie. He should give it up.
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 6:02 pm
I wonder if they realize how ridiculous it looks and sounds? I mean, my sons started laughing when they walked by and asked if that was what they were going to be for Halloween! “Mom, are they going as rednecks?” Love my boys
Anomaly 100 October 8th, 2014 at 6:26 pm
My brother is a Conservative. He owns guns. He also doesn’t carry them around for the sake of bravado. I respect that. I do not respect Open Carry supporters.
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 6:42 pm
I’m an indie and I got rid of my guns when I found out I was pregnant with my first. I just didn’t want to take that chance from a personal experience as a child of a tragic gun accident of a little boy. A Detective’s kid blew his face off with his father’s .45. I never forgot it. That’s just one reason.
If someone is going to break into my home, chances are … I’ll be in bed. Far easier for me to get to my knives then it would be to get to a gun safe. But that’s just my opinion.
I have a healthy respect for what guns can do in the wrong hands. I wasn’t even aware my state had open carry until I saw those nut jobs shopping with AR-15’s. No one does it up here. Concealed weapons … sure but usually it’s because they run receipt bags back and forth. People hunt up here because we eat the meat and that’s the time you’ll see people walking alongside the road by the woods with their rifles. Oh, and lovely blaze orange everything.
Anomaly 100 October 8th, 2014 at 7:07 pm
I have no problem with gun ownership. I’ve owned guns and plan on getting another one in the near future – but it will be kept at home for security. My brother has a little girl and because of that, his guns are locked in a safe.
Khary A October 8th, 2014 at 5:55 pm
My favorite is the second pic…I kiss him like i mean it because if I don’t i’ll get put in the trunk of his car again…he’ll do it too cause he always wins.
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 5:56 pm
It’s probably his cousin. She doesn’t looked thrilled.
Khary A October 8th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
her two toned hair clearly shows she doesn’t make good choices. yeah a little catty but whatever she’s with Jeff Bruner *ahem* I mean Jager-Hulk.
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 6:00 pm
<<<< I am a little catty! BAAHAAHAAAHAA!!! (couldn't resist the joke)
Khary A October 8th, 2014 at 7:26 pm
OH I see what you did there. 😉
Anomaly 100 October 8th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
His expression is a tell.
forpeace October 8th, 2014 at 6:30 pm
Hello dear Anomaly,
Are there any specific words that go to moderation?
I just posted a comment (the actual article) on this thread, but my comment went to moderation right away: http://www.alan.com/2014/10/08/mike-huckabee-says-states-should-disobey-court-rulings/
tracey marie October 8th, 2014 at 5:56 pm
I call it the porno look
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 5:58 pm
LMAO!!!
forpeace October 8th, 2014 at 5:48 pm
Off-topic, and sorry for posting this in here.
Dear Liberaland, would you please publish an article about this important news?
Thank you!
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Republicans Threaten Another Shutdown Over Obamacare
A year after shutting down the government, a group of Senate Republicans are pressuring House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) to oppose any funding bill in the lame duck session that includes appropriations for a small program contained in the Affordable Care Act, potentially triggering another showdown.
The group of 14 lawmakers, led by Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), have taken aim at the risk-corridor component of the health care exchanges, a temporary program designed to prevent premiums from skyrocketing during the early years of Obamacare implementation. Under this provision, the federal government will give insurers who under-estimated how much they’d have to pay out in claims a portion of the profits from insurers who overestimated their costs and set their premiums too high. The goal of the measure is to stabilize the health care market and keep premiums level. In their letter to Boehner, however, the senators point to a government report finding that the administration “would need an additional appropriation in order to make payments in FY 2015 corresponding with the 2014 plan year” and argue that funding the initiative would “put taxpayers at risk of a large bailout if insurers systematically lose money on exchange plans.” http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/10/08/3577518/republicans-threaten-another-shutdown-over-obamacare/
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 5:49 pm
Wow. Not again. For f*ck’s sake!!!! Thanks forpeace for the info!
forpeace October 8th, 2014 at 5:54 pm
I guess the Koch Brothers and Tea party’s tool Ted Rafael Cruz’s 2013 government shut down that cost American taxpayers 24+ billion, so he could build his Fundraising Lists was not good enough!
I won’t even mention his 21-hour fake filibuster, Rand Paul’s fake filibuster, GOTP’s 50+ times repealing ACA, or GOTP’s chasing in on IRS and Benghazi hearings.
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 5:57 pm
Oh yes. The Green Eggs and Ham fauxbuster. Yeah, that was priceless. Yet, it’s been a year and people have forgotten, in the south anyways, that he caused it and then lied right to ABC in an interview that it was Obama’s shutdown. He’s a sociopath.
forpeace October 8th, 2014 at 6:00 pm
Sadly, most Americans have short memories, while we move forward we also have to keep reminding everyone about what had happened in the past.
I even posted this news on Raw Story, but it seems RS is on autopilot!
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 6:05 pm
I’m not sure. Maybe they have a submit a story link?
forpeace October 8th, 2014 at 6:07 pm
I don’t use that anymore, it is waste of my time. I just post the important news on some of RS articles, and add “off-topic” on the top so no one attacks me for posting off-topic articles! 😉
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
Or you could lead into it. I mean, if they can blame everything on Obama and Benghazi on every thread ….
forpeace October 8th, 2014 at 6:10 pm
LOL, that is so true!!
fancypants October 8th, 2014 at 6:00 pm
Texas hospitals don’t care where you have been just as long as you have the proper insurance.
even gov perry knows this
forpeace October 8th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
There are so many things Texas governor doesn’t care about such as regulations.
Chinese Democracy October 8th, 2014 at 5:58 pm
you can click on submit story …
forpeace October 8th, 2014 at 6:02 pm
Thank you for letting me know, I thought it would be easier to post it on the latest thread because I have sent so many emails to Raw Story asking them to post the important news, but I have never received any response form them ( I post on selective articles on RS as well).
forpeace October 8th, 2014 at 5:49 pm
These people do not need guns, they need education.
Jimmy Smith October 8th, 2014 at 10:48 pm
For education to take, you need a functioning brain
For propaganda to take, you don’t
Chinese Democracy October 8th, 2014 at 5:54 pm
Of course we all know what happens if a black man walks into Kroger with a loaded gun
tracey marie October 8th, 2014 at 5:57 pm
may he rest in peace and his family sue and win.
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
That sums it up.
Mainah October 8th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
Sadly, yes.
verneoz October 9th, 2014 at 8:40 am
Since we know he would have voted for Obama twice, you’re right he should be shot multiple times.
Chinese Democracy October 9th, 2014 at 2:22 pm
thanks for reminding everyone what a holes t baggers are 🙂
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 5:41 pm
Too bad a gun control bigot SWATTED him.
Chinese Democracy October 12th, 2014 at 8:12 pm
too bad the cops shot him for having a toy gun
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:21 am
Too bad a gun control bigot called the cops on him and lied about him threatening children.
It is too bad that they shot him for having a toy gun. The caller that had him killed should be charged with murder.
tracey marie October 8th, 2014 at 5:55 pm
those people look, talk and behave like aggressive bullies. Most bullies are pee in their pants cowards
eddie1247 October 8th, 2014 at 6:00 pm
Gee I’m wondering why only one of these guys is actually with a woman, the guy with his child looks a bit constipated and the guy in the second photo can’t even spell the name of the store he’s praising.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 6:13 pm
With complete certainty I can assure you the legislative office building is not masquerading itself as Kroger. Kroger did not suggest the law nor vote on the law and most certainly did not sign anything into law and yet for some individuals logic/rational reasoning demand Kroger to be held responsible/accountable for a law? Holding a entity accountable for a law merely for complying with a law is utter nonsense,ridiculous,ludicrous behavior. This is the ability to comprehend the definition of what compliance with the law is? This is logic? This is rational behavior? Kroger has made their position very clear with more than one public statement which is to continue to follow their existing policy which has been in place for decades, to follow local and state law, apparently (for some) logic requires Kroger to be victimized for following the law, this is rational behavior? This is logical reasoning? The continuing insistence of demanding action from the butcher because the produce is not up to your liking is illogical/irrational behavior and reflects poorly of oneself and their cause.The use of true common sense dictates demanding action from your lawmaker and not your grocer. Kroger is not a political platform they are your grocer, Groceries not Politics! Kroger is and has always been the innocent victim here.
Tommy6860 October 8th, 2014 at 6:35 pm
Oh please! Why does someone seriously need to open carry in a grocery store. If these idiots are so intent on protecting (whatever) freedoms they think are being violated, then they should take up arms against ISIS instead of roaming grocery stores, city parks and shopping malls exercising their right to scare people in the guise of protecting them. Note the hate these bigots exude within their online profiles. This meme fits these idiots to a “T”.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 7:13 pm
The issue is open carry, who wishes to do so or not is irrelevant what they look like is irrelevant what is relevant is the objection to open carry of a firearm, Kroger is a retailer nothing more they operate in many states their policy to follow local and state law would vary from state to state for instance California state law prohibits open carry thus Krogers policy in California is no open carry, Arizona state law says open carry is lawful conduct thus Krogers policy is it’s lawful in Arizona. My point here is Kroger is not the issue but the law itself. Moms Demand Action is targeting a innocent party, Kroger is merely following the law as I or you do, in conclusion if the law is the issue then demand action action from the lawmakers not the grocer.
viva_democracy October 8th, 2014 at 7:39 pm
Moms Demand Action are exercising their right to free speech. Kroger can follow the laws, sure, but they could also change their minds & institute a business policy different from the law, just as other businesses have done. Using free speech to boycott or put pressure on Kroger is their right.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 7:54 pm
Viva you are correct however Kroger has made 3 very clear public statements within the past 60 days the statements plainly state Kroger will continue to follow their existing policy which has been in place for decades to continue to follow local and state law in the states they operate within. One of reason would state Krogers stance is firm and from the observer any continued pressure would be considered bullying.
Anomaly 100 October 8th, 2014 at 8:17 pm
“any continued pressure would be considered bullying”
Bullshit. A petition is not bullying.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 8:27 pm
Anomaly I would disagree the petition was presented to Kroger after the 2nd public statement from Kroger, then Kroger announced a third statement which mirrored the first two and pressure continues on a innocent party, yes from the observer it would be considered bullying.
Anomaly 100 October 9th, 2014 at 2:08 pm
“yes from the observer it would be considered bullying.”
You feel intimidated by a petition but not a gun. Interesting.
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 4:51 pm
No intimidation just re-stating my point with occurred events
tiredoftea October 8th, 2014 at 8:44 pm
And, we had a settled 2nd Amendment for close to 200 years until a loud, obnoxious and vehement lobbying group, the NRA, single handedly changed the common understanding of that amendment. We are assaulted by christians and Mormons all lobbying to change to their beliefs and whatever else they are advocating. By your definition, all of that is bullying also.
One group is lobbying to change retailers policies concerning the dangerous and frightening acts of a few ridiculous individuals, who, BTW, have no reason to carry their rifles into stores. Kroger, and other retailers, will change their policies to reflect what is best for their business. I’m betting they will change as the numbers are with the Mom’s, and Kroger will figure that out.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 8:51 pm
I would disagree, Kroger is a retailer a business, Kroger is the 2nd largest retailer in the nation one of Krogers product line’s is firearms and ammunition, from a business perspective it would NOT be a smart business decision to be anything other than neutral on this issue, the only logical decision would be to continue to follow the laws in the state they operate in.
Kingminnie October 9th, 2014 at 12:59 am
Kroger is based in my state, OH. Kroger does NOT carry firearms or ammunition in any of the stores in my locality, nor in any surrounding area locations. Hallmark cards? Yes. Firearms? No and no. I’ve been shopping there most of my life and I’m old. Nothing remotely connected to guns, ever. Perhaps you would care to provide a link to your source for that information?
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 5:34 am
Kroger owned locations are many I believe Fred Meijers is one of the locations that sell firearms and ammunition Brand names they carry are Winchester (both firearm&ammunition), Remington (both firearm&ammunition),Browning (firearms), Bushmaster (firearms primarily AR-15 semi-automatic rifle) this weeks add shows no firearms on sale however Bows are and ammunition.
http://meijer.shoplocal.com/Meijer/Entry/LandingContent?storeid=2465812&sneakpeek=N&listingid=0
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 2:05 am
You are correct and whether you like it or not, your point helps to back up and reinforce the very Constitutional Amendment that you all so strong hate, which says so very much about you folks and just makes a strong statement of how sad and un-American most of these commenters are. If not for the Second Amendment, what do you think would keep the First Amendment secure? What would keep any of the other Amendments secure? Without the Second Amendment there is nothing that prevents the Constitution from being tossed out by the likes of this current administration.
Yes, Kroger could change their “policies” but you must understand this as well. policies of this type only are in relation to the employees, not the customers. What I mean is that in most states now, anti-gun signs and policies can be posted if so desired but likewise, they can be equally ignored as well as they do not hold weight of law and ignoring them is not illegal.
If a police officer walks into a store, no one thinks that much about it and t=for the most part I again but the little known fact that has been fleshed out by the FBI Criminal Statistics proves that police officers are far more likely to kill an innocent person (by stander) in a gun related situation than are law-abiding gun owners. Also, the fact that law-abiding gun owners stop more crimes in progress than do police officers. Also, if you still think that gun owners are a problem and have no need to carry sidearms, I don’t know where you folks got the idea of long guns from, then you need to google how many people (innocent) are killed by “bad guys with guns” in McDonald’s for instance. Bad Guy do not follow the laws of the land, that’s wy they’re called bad guys and they come and go just like everyone else.
Good guys with guns aren’t the problem, it’s Gun Free Zones (GFZ) that prevent good guys from stopping bad guys.
Jim Floyd October 8th, 2014 at 7:46 pm
Does the law state that a business owner must allow people to carry firearms in their place of business?
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 7:51 pm
You are correct Jim for the most part the answer would be no however in a few states the law says they do, Kroger however has made 3 very clear public statements within the past 60 days the statements plainly state Kroger will continue to follow their existing policy which has been in place for decades to continue to follow local and state law in the states they operate within.
Anomaly 100 October 8th, 2014 at 8:16 pm
“Kroger will continue to follow their existing policy..”
Thanks for the confirmation. As an American, I choose to no longer spend my money there until that is changed, since one side has decided to parade around their stores with long guns.
I have the right to feel safe while shopping.
Kingminnie October 9th, 2014 at 12:39 am
Just what I was going to say. Quoting a law that allows open carry does not state that open carry is mandatory.
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 1:48 am
As far as I’m aware, it doesn’t mandate it though many law-abiding businesses to follow the laws of the states in which they operate. Like Wal-Mart for instance, they follow the laws of the states in which they operate. Likewise, Kroger is following the laws of the states in which they operate.
People tend to think, for some odd reason, that a store’s policies dictate legal law, they do not! In my home state, policies generally only pertain to the employees, not customers.
while my place of business has an anti-weapon policy, it is merely relating to the employees, not the customers and as such while it is a condition of employment, once I am off the clock and in normal clothes, I can carry into the same place of business and there’s really nothing that can be said as I no longer under their policy and I am fully within my legal rights to carry. My manager’s at first were strictly negative about this fact and tried to fight me on it only to realize, learn and come to terms with the state law. Now, after 4 years, I have introduced all my managers to Open Carry and Concealed Carry. Those that don’t OC, now CC and it’s become an accepted issue.
As for these foolish looking folks that have been picked as “poster children” for the benefit of this liberal ilk, anyone can find the worst in ANYTHING. Don’t go patting yourselves on the back just yet.
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 3:37 am
hey there, you and the hardoug should date each other and dine of frozen food from the store after you shoot it dead.
tiredoftea October 8th, 2014 at 8:37 pm
That Kroger, or any other retail business complies with the law is not the issue. Their policy can be changed, and should be changed, for the convenience, comfort and safety of their customers. A significant number of their customers are telling them to not permit openly carried rifles in their stores. They can choose to ignore that, or change it, as a matter of corporate policy.
The rest of your nearly unreadable screed is irrelevant.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 8:47 pm
My intention is to merely inform and not to offend, Kroger is a retailer a business, Kroger is the 2nd largest retailer in the nation one of Krogers product line’s is firearms and ammunition, from a business perspective it would NOT be a smart business decision to be anything other than neutral on this issue, the only logical decision would be to continue to follow the laws in the state they operate in.
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 3:35 am
ah ha, I get it, you are a shelf stacker at the store and get min wage and no benefits and just love their policy
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:26 pm
Where in God’s name does Kroger sell firearms? Not anywhere in my area, I assure you, or anything related to firearms. Can you show me some proof of that?
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
My intentions were never to offend anyone all I was hoping for was a civil exchange of thoughts and knowledge, here is the information you asked for. Kroger company owned stores and locations are many. Fred Meijers is one of the locations that sell firearms and ammunition there may be others. A few of the brand names they carry are Winchester (both firearm&ammunition), Remington (both firearm&ammunition),Browning (firearms), Bushmaster (firearms primarily AR-15 semi-automatic rifle)
This weeks add shows no firearms on sale however Bows and ammunition are on sale.
http://meijer.shoplocal.com/Me…
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 2:36 pm
I believe you have the wrong Fred Meijer, Kroger merged with Fred MEYER, which is not the same company. Meijer is its own entity. Look it up
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 8:11 pm
Yes, you are correct it is in fact Fred Meyer, Fred Meyer is the portion of Kroger that sells firearms.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 8:39 pm
Apparently not all of them do yet and they had to beef up their firearm security after some guy used a hammer to break the display case and stole 22 of them. I also read comments that they were way high on their gun prices.
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 3:33 am
go to school, take a course in logic and then re read what you write. There is no logic in your mind as per your blather
Jim Floyd October 8th, 2014 at 7:42 pm
My response is just to not shop in a Kroger store, I believe an accidental or planned shooting is inevitable with people carrying firearms while shopping in a grocery store.
What a stupid idea!
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
The current Kroger policy has been in effect for the last 132 odd years. Seems to be working so far.
searambler October 8th, 2014 at 7:43 pm
If I’m ever in a store or restaurant and someone walks in with a gun, I’m outta there. If I’m shopping, I’ll abandon my cart where it is and walk out. If I’m dining, I’ll stand up and leave without paying, regardless of where I am with the meal. If businesses allow open carry they won’t get my money. They have to make a choice: gunstrokers, or me. Because it won’t be both…..
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 8:15 pm
My intention is to merely inform and not to offend, we all are surrounded by firearms everyday in the stores out dinning or for a leisure stroll we for the most part are unaware of it the vast majority of people who carry a firearm do so concealed.
searambler October 8th, 2014 at 8:33 pm
I realize that. I can’t worry about concealed weapons that I can’t see. I’d never leave the house if I did. But if I see some loser carrying his iron penis around my local grocery store or while I’m having lunch somewhere, I can and will do something about it. I’ll inform an employee WHY I am leaving, then I’ll walk – not run- out the door.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 10:01 pm
I am very curious and somewhat bewildered from your comment and again I mean no offense, Knowing there are firearms about us at any time anywhere what is the difference? The thought of its ok if I can’t see it? The only thing that separates open carry and concealed carry is a piece of cloth. My opinion is if I am in the presence of what I believe is a decent civil person the individual could be anyone a off duty police officer, a lawyer, a doctor or construction worker and a firearm becomes visible why would my original opinion change,
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:25 pm
Big difference between a concealed handgun and an assault rifle out in the open. Most concealed weapon holders are well-trained and safety conscious as they have to take classes to even carry a concealed weapon and qualify. Most aggressive shooters have long guns of some kind and are not required to be certified. I am not taking my chances with the latter……
searambler October 9th, 2014 at 10:32 pm
Any yahoo goober with opposable thumbs and enough disposable cash can buy a rifle, with no training in its proper use and safety. People who concealed carry pistols go through (some minimal) training. And again, worrying about every person around me when I’m out in public because they might be concealed carrying is pointless paranoia. And I’m not nearly conservative enough to approach that level of paranoia. I choose not to be around people who are insecure enough and screwed-up-in-the-head enough to feel the need to walk around in public waving around their iron phalluses. Is that OK with you?
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:22 pm
I would call 911 as I was doing so as well
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
Are you talking about a firearm or a dildo?
If you’re calling a firearm a penis as some sort of derogatory intention then it’s pretty insulting, especially to women who carry.
I’m not sure why so many ‘anti’ gun people seem to have an obsession with comparing a firearm to genitals.
Anyway …… let’s imagine you’ve bumped into someone OC’ing and you tell them ‘you are OC’ing and because of that I’m leaving’ and they say ‘oh I’ve got my permit let me cover it’ You’re good to stay?
searambler October 9th, 2014 at 9:51 pm
Yes, I’m calling a firearm an iron penis. Yes, it’s meant to be derogatory and insulting, specifically towards the men who feel the need to walk around with them in restaurants and grocery stores for no good reason whatsoever. I’m glad that didn’t go over your head. And I don’t give a crap whether some ammosexual doosh carrying around his iron penis has a permit or not. I choose not to be around idiots like that. Is that OK with you?
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 2:37 am
I’m glad your qualifying statement excludes me from you intended target group otherwise I may think you are a sad, strange litle person with a lot of pent up unhealthy hostility.
I’m perfectly ok with you making any choice you wish as to whom you associate with. It is a free country after all.
tiredoftea October 8th, 2014 at 8:34 pm
We shouldn’t be unnecessarily exposed to more. Especially from such an irresponsible and self aggrandizing group.
Obewon October 9th, 2014 at 12:00 am
Safest NYC’s 8 million residents have very few guns. Unless your gun is registered and permitted You have no business threatening others.
Exactly as searambler posted if a normal person sees a gun? Zoom! Most are out of there. Unsafe Gunowners aren’t our NYC problem. They’re extinct!
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 3:29 am
1000 times more terrifying than the aholes who expose their pieces – what do you do about it?
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 1:30 am
And in doing so searambler, you will be committing a criminal act. Spoken like a true liberal!
whatthe46 October 9th, 2014 at 2:03 am
how so?
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 3:54 am
Because unlike OC or CC, going to a restaurant and ordering food and eating said food then just getting up and leaving as searambler has stated is illegal; it is theft.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:20 pm
Not if you genuinely fear for your life, no judge would convict you
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 1:50 am
If you fear for your life, you can shoot them.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 8:32 pm
I don’t take pleasure in shooting people, or animals, they would get me before I could even aim
Jones October 13th, 2014 at 8:44 pm
Me either, I’m just illustrating the absurdity of the stand your ground law combined with open carry.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 10:57 pm
Which is horribly absurd
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 3:28 am
there’s a trough between your cheeks that somehow defines you.
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 3:55 am
Exactly what are you attempting to say or mean?
searambler October 9th, 2014 at 9:25 am
If I was eating a meal and I left without paying, yes, that’s a crime. I’ll take my chances in court. “Your honor, I feared for my life when two armed men that I don’t know walked into the restaurant. I had no idea what their intentions were. I thought they might start shooting people.”
If I walk out of a Kroger after filling up a grocery cart, that’s not illegal, since I wouldn’t take the groceries.
Angelo_Frank October 8th, 2014 at 8:07 pm
I avoid establishments or areas where the ammosexuals carry their gratification weapons around in public. It has nothing to do with the ‘right to bear arms’.
tiredoftea October 8th, 2014 at 8:14 pm
At the very least, I’m staying very far from the Miracle Whip and Wonder Bread aisles!
Tommy6860 October 8th, 2014 at 8:34 pm
LMAO!
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 2:35 pm
Given what I’ve heard is in miracle whip I may not blame you, but it still tastes good frozen.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 6:34 pm
Eww! That solves my dinner plans!
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 6:38 pm
try it 🙂 as with everything – moderation.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 6:43 pm
Yeah, I’m going to have to sneak up on that one!
GabeZ October 8th, 2014 at 9:03 pm
What I find extremely telling in situations like these is that many times, the sensible, rational and what I would imagine to be the actual responsible gun owners side with the crazy fringe people like the ones above rather than side with the sensible, rational people who call those crazy people crazy. The tribalism runs deep.
People like the ones above carry their rifles into stores for the purposes of intimidation and attention. Sure, they may have paranoid fantasies of stopping tyranny in the domestic light beer section or taking out a bad guy with a gun (in a blaze of bullets that would undoubtedly put others in even greater danger), but I suspect even they know those odds are long.
Not unlike the people who love revving their Harley at a stop light or those who drive around in lifted pick up trucks, these people just want to bother you, then give you the finger. It’s a low brow culture that enjoys “sticking” it to other people as a way of dealing with their own insecurities. Once you dig past the arguments regarding the Second Amendment and the state laws and store polices, that’s what it’s all about.
Kingminnie October 9th, 2014 at 12:32 am
Yes, and yes again. Applauding your common sense.
Obewon October 8th, 2014 at 11:53 pm
If you need a gun to grocery shop inside Kroger’s that’s obviously the worst place to shop.
Karen French October 9th, 2014 at 12:54 am
I really want to see Kroger add to their “one of them isn’t welcome at Kroger” campaign, a dead body laying in front of a man with an assault rifle. I mean, it works right? But they won’t do that, it might scare off shoppers.
JMax October 9th, 2014 at 1:12 am
When are we going to hear some “moderate” muzzle-limps speak out against the “radical” muzzle-limps.?
Wayne Crawford October 9th, 2014 at 12:08 pm
As soon as we can find a progressive (what a misnomer) that can tell the truth.
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 3:23 am
you have folks there that are out of their fkn minds – little mean people with no self regard, lacking a single iota of pride as an individual. Frightening, much more frightening than ebola!
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 5:53 am
The issue is open carry, who wishes to do so or not is irrelevant what they look like is irrelevant what is relevant is the objection to open carry of a firearm, Kroger is a retailer nothing more they operate in many states their policy to follow local and state law would vary from state to state for instance California state law prohibits open carry thus Krogers policy in California is no open carry, Arizona state law says open carry is lawful conduct thus Krogers policy is it’s lawful in Arizona. My point here is Kroger is not the issue but the law itself. Moms Demand Action is targeting a innocent party, Kroger is merely following the law as I or you do, from a business perspective it would not be a smart decision to make any policy other than to stay neutral in this matter to continue to follow local and state law of the state they operate within, one of Krogers product line is in-fact firearms and ammunition brand names they carry are Winchester (both firearm&ammunition), Remington (both firearm&ammunition),Browning (firearms), Bushmaster (firearms) Kroger does not write the law they merely follow it as you or I do, Kroger is not the problem here the law is, if the law of open carry is of dislike the only logical course of action is to demand action from the lawmakers not the grocer.
rg9rts October 9th, 2014 at 7:57 am
Those wimps need guns to make up for their short comings….the one between their legs Did you take a good look at those clowns??? LOL
Miguel Gonzalez October 9th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
Do you make it a point to stare at the crotches of men at Krogers? Or any other location for that matter.
rg9rts October 9th, 2014 at 12:23 pm
Looks like YOU have more of a MACHO problem Miguel than I do..
Miguel Gonzalez October 9th, 2014 at 1:10 pm
Was that a racial put-down? It was! Dayum! Look at that. What’s next? You gonna ask me to come do your yard work?
It never ceases to amaze me how really racist the Liberal Camp can be.
mea_mark October 9th, 2014 at 1:58 pm
You are done here, goodbye.
reallyred October 9th, 2014 at 12:33 pm
Naturally, it’s OK for men to stare at women’s boobs! Because, what? Boys will be boys?
Miguel Gonzalez October 9th, 2014 at 1:12 pm
They are higher up?
reallyred October 9th, 2014 at 1:26 pm
So? Because a crotch is “lower” than boobs, no one is allowed to stare?
RogueChocolate October 9th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
Notice how most of them are fat and/or old.
rg9rts October 9th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
Covered in tats too
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 1:08 pm
What about the WOMEN who carry?
rg9rts October 9th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
They don’t have to show off their penis substitutes …do they?
GabeZ October 9th, 2014 at 12:00 pm
Well done; it seems you almost entirely missed my point.
I don’t disagree at all that the Second Amendment is archaic. I’d say the Third Amendment is as well. I’m saying 2A is used as a prop to mask the underlying issue. I even spell it out in my last sentence.
There is no doubt there is a subset of gun owners who are responsible with their guns. There is also no doubt there is a subset of owners who are massively irresponsible with their guns. Is it split 50/50? 70/30? 30/70? I don’t know. It seems like for every one story about a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy, there are 100 stories about suicide, accidental death, accidental discharge, intimidation, guns left out in the open where kids can get them, etc. See “Responsible Gun Owner Of The Day” on FB for a daily collection of these stories. Certainly the yahoo-cowboy-Yosemite Sam culture of these people contributes to the issue and the point of my first paragraph was that often we see the responsible gun owners side with these yahoos rather than side with people who demand sensible gun control (which would be in the responsible gun owners best interests as well).
I spend much of my “internet comment time” arguing against the tired and ill thought out arguments such as “an armed society is a polite society”, “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” and “yeah, well automobile deaths outnumber gun deaths” and arguing for extensive background checks, licensing, registration, requiring insurance, training and examination, developing and funding better gun tracing practices, better funding and unshackling the hands of the CDC to research and report on gun violence, closing any online, trade show and private selling loopholes, working toward helping those with mental illness and psychological issues, working toward providing opportunities for better livelihood and economic stability for those less fortunate, investing in excellent education, empowering the ATF to track down when, where and how guns go from the factory (or from the shipyards) and into the wrong hands and demanding a culture of social responsibility from the gun manufacturers and owners. But I’m also rational enough to recognize that there are gun owners who rely on hunting to provide food for their families and people who live in the middle of nowhere to rely on guns for protection.
My whole point was that once you get past all of these arguments and points, the issue is the low-brow, somewhat unsophisticated culture of the type of people shown above and how they pose with their guns to make up for their insecurities. Now, after rereading what I originally wrote as well as reading this post, please tell me again how I’m as “mealy as the cruds who wave their dicks around in the store”.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 2:33 pm
Keep in mind there are some 80 million guns owners in the US. Let’s say there are 30,000 deaths a year caused by a firearm (suicide, unlawful homicide, accident, justified homicide) and call them all irresponsible. On any given day 1 person in a million does something irresponsible with a gun. Take out criminal use and that goes to about 1 in 2 million.
tomdog October 9th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
All these statements about Kroger “following the local and state laws” are complete garbage. Kroger stores are private property and as an owner or lease-holder of private property, you are completely within your rights to prohibit firearms, open carry or conceal carry, at your place of business, regardless of state and local laws.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 2:19 pm
complete garbage? How is choosing to follow the law complete garbage?
The law allows anyone to follow it – yeah even you. Yes Kroger has a choice in what they do and they have chosen to follow the law and allow their customers to do the same. Just because they’ve chosen something that isn’t to your way of thinking do not make that choice ‘garbage’.
tomdog October 9th, 2014 at 2:34 pm
I’m saying that the premise, presented here in these comments, that Kroger is following state law because they _have_ to – is complete garbage. But thanks for twisting my comment to suit your own needs.
Hannah Allyse McGary October 9th, 2014 at 12:31 pm
🙂 I love how these people see the world.
Walking into a produce aisle with a loaded .45 is the last refuge of a man with no feelings of personal significance, impact, meaning, or usefulness. Thus, to live in a delusion that evildoers are lurking amongst the broccoli, just waiting to strike as young children eye the organic grapefruits…
it’s kind of amazing. Except that it isn’t. Except that these people are usually government naysayers, yet literally buy into the exact paranoia of terror that the media propagates. Idiots. Sad, sad idiots.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 2:15 pm
You are so lucky Hannah that you know where and when you’ll become a victim, and have the ability to run away should you be caught out. Many people don’t have the privilege of knowing when they’ll raped or their homes invaded, or their car jacked in the parking lot. I doubt the broccoli is much of a threat to anyone, but the journey to and from the broccoli … well only you know.
I hope you are never in a position whereby you have to defend yourself against a purse snatcher or anyone assaulting you. I actually hope that of everyone. We ALL want to go home.
Hannah Allyse McGary October 9th, 2014 at 3:35 pm
I actually do not live in a secure environment. I thank you for your assumptions.
I, also, do own a firearm. And you know where it stays? At home. Well, and the range.
However, most people I have seen and heard who carry inside groceries do it with no intention of defending anyone (especially the suburbanites carrying simply to exercise their privileges). It’s to make a statement, or to play into some unreality of feeling like they may at some point be needed in a life or death situation. Again, it’s completely delusional.
Most confrontations can be avoided nonlethally, and even here in Ohio you have to agree to try to avoid first when you get a CCW. Unfortunately, do to inadequate training, many people forget that cardinal rule and jump head first to life or death decisions.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 4:02 pm
I agree – most confrontations can be avoided nonlethally. I don’t think it’s only inadequate training that makes a person jump head first – it’s a cultural mindset that needs to change. I’m not into ‘making statements’, and my sidearm is the last resort defense between me and death. The important part is the ‘me’ part (well ‘and my family’) Everyone else is everyone else and they are on their own. If I see a fight between 2 people I’ve got no clue who is who and who started what. It’s none of my business and I’m staying out of it. Of course if I see someone about to be killed that’s different.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:31 pm
Open carry doesn’t always work at deterring crime, case in point:
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/10/open-carry-enthusiast-robbed-his-gun
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 1:07 pm
A case in point? How about the cases where it DOES!
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
It doesn’t always work, it doesn’t always work, I am not willing to risk my life to find out which is which
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 3:36 pm
Nothing ALWAYS works except for being defenseless ALWAYS gets you in trouble.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 3:44 pm
I don’t have a gun, yet I am not defenseless, care to explain that one? There are all kinds of ways to protect yourself, a gun is just one of those tools and there is no perfect way to do so unless you live in a sealed bunker under the ground………..and even then………..
I refuse to live in fear as apparently the gun nuts do, only someone that is afraid 24/7 would feel they need to carry a weapon 24/7
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 4:53 pm
Sure – I can explain it. You choose not to have a gun and that’s fine for you. No-one is forcing you to buy one, carry one or use one. You have other means available and that’s good. You’ve decided what is acceptable to you and your situation. No one can tell you “ohh you’re wrong and that won’t work etc etc”.
You’re correct in that a gun is one of the tools available. Will it always solve a problem? – no of course not. That’s why we have options.
Do I live in fear – no. But it’s not because I am relying on a sidearm.
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 5:08 pm
Wow, there you go again calling people names instead of looking for the truth. Let’s face facts, your pea-sized mind is made up and no amount of FACTS will every change it. Sorry it sucks to be you.
OldLefty October 9th, 2014 at 5:28 pm
Wow, there you go again calling people names instead of looking for the truth. Let’s face facts, your pea-sized mind
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I’m sure it’s mutual.
mea_mark October 9th, 2014 at 5:35 pm
Your projecting is about to get you banned. Troll away if you must, it is a free country. This is however a privately owned site and you can be banned because it is a free country and we are free to do that.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 8:43 pm
I am talking about those that are seemingly not responsible at all, that seem to be in so much fear that they have to take their assault rifles wherever they go. They are nuts for guns, hence my term gun nut, would you rather me use the other coined phrase ammosexual?
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 8:46 pm
And my rather intelligent brain, yes I do know my IQ, has an OPINION. And my opinion is, as long as I live in America, I refuse to live in fear, the fear that some groups are trying to spread to get their way. The NRA is prime. and I do research, I have even done a college research paper on the subject. Am I an expert? No, but I have researched enough that I can make an informed opinion. Where is your research?
Ima1492 October 13th, 2014 at 9:01 pm
No, you are painting people with a broad brush with your insanity and irrational fear of people. You want to call them nuts when, in fact, YOU are the nut.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 9:10 pm
Where do you get that I am afraid of people when I have said twice that I will not live in fear? Wow, you assume much. However, if you walk up to me with an assault rifle in hand, since I have no way to tell if you are the good guy or the bad guy, I will probably call 911, to be on the safe side. It is a fact that most all serial killers looked like normal people.
Ima1492 October 13th, 2014 at 10:01 pm
You are wetting your panties right now even thinking of a gun.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 10:56 pm
My husband OWNS a gun, I don’t. It is in my closet with my clothes right now. The only thing I would use it for would be to whack someone in the head, not shoot him. I am not afraid of a gun, I just choose not to take human life for whatever reason……..
Ima1492 October 14th, 2014 at 11:42 pm
You keep blabbering and blabbering. Methinks thou doest protest too much. Sorry you are so scared of them frightening things and people in general. Hope you enjoy hiding under your bed sucking your thumb.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 9:13 pm
Ane the only people I am painting with a broad brush are the ones that feel a need to show off their toys. It really is unnecessary and especially around curious children. One man brought his to a family picnic, laid it on a table and a child picked it up, was playing with it and shot his grandfather. That is the kind of irresponsible gun nut I am talking about, the ones that only care about their own selfish behavior and not considerate at all of others. Not everyone loves guns, not everyone wants to be around them and NO amount of open carrying of long guns is going to change those citizen’s minds.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 3:46 pm
WHen it is my time to go, it is my time, no amount of weaponry will change that
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
1 case …..
I suspect there is a lot more to that story than has been reported, but that’s beside the point.
Do you know how many people open carry every day? Do you know how many crimes are prevented by open carry? The first question I’ve got good estimates on, the second is impossible to say due to never knowing if an OC’er was passed by a criminal looking for an unarmed target. A crime was prevented, but the OC’er doesn’t know it.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 2:32 pm
“yawn” I have heard you argument before from other people, I reject it. That was one post I had readily available. There is not always a trick to the story and there are many others. The gun lobby itself says that if you have a gun in the open, it increases your chances of being a target, so if you are stupid enough……………not to mention, how does anyone tell on site if you are a good guy with a gun? If you don’t have a badge, there is no way. I would call 911 if I saw you with a weapon in hand and I would run.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 3:23 pm
Rejecting my argument – ok … doesn’t worry me. Individual choice is one of the things that makes this country great.
I think you are confusing ‘open carrying’ with ‘brandishing’. The first is ok, the second I’d be calling the police as well.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 3:45 pm
In most cases right now, they are one and the same, not everyone that Open Carries has common sense and safety smarts
Steven Persamanos October 9th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
Open
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 1:06 pm
Shame Steven doesn’t carry a brain.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
“If an African American open carries, the police will shoot him on the spot!!”
What a truly arrogant thing to say.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 1:33 am
Happens to blacks with bb guns and toy guns.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 2:18 am
that was 1 tragic event, with so many other factors in effect. The statement that it will happen with every black person is arrogant, in my opinion.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 2:41 am
(Reuters) – A 13-year-old California boy carrying a replica of an assault rifle was shot and killed by sheriff’s deputies who apparently believed the gun was real, family members and authorities said.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 8:53 am
This happened Oct. 2013
Brandishing – not open carrying
I place the responsibility with the parents. I think there’s also a lack of education in effect here.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 2:48 am
Posted on June 24, 2007 at 9:03:49 AM PDT by DCBryan1
Boy, 12, with toy gun shot, killed by police
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 8:56 am
From June 2007
Any chance on details?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 2:51 am
A 14 year old boy in Battle Creek, Michigan is the latest victim of a gunshot inflicted by a police officer.
His crime? Carrying a toy gun that looked “like a large caliber handgun”.
Nick King was walking up the street on Saturday afternoon when an observer called 911 to report “a man with a gun outside a convenience store.”
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 8:57 am
This happened Nov. 2013
Brandishing – not open carrying
I place the responsibility with the parents. I think there’s also a lack of education in effect here.
Possible ‘swatting’?
BIGPoJo October 10th, 2014 at 10:10 am
So you mean that even cops shouldn’t carry guns because they seem trigger happy? Or is it that no one should carry toy guns? What is your argument?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 11:23 am
Police should not shoot children with toy guns.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 2:53 am
Thursday, Sep 1, 2011 • Updated at 4:58 PM EDT
A rifle carried by a man shot and killed by North Miami Beach police Wednesday afternoon was determined to be a toy, NMBPD spokesman Sgt. Warren Hardison said.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 8:58 am
Sept. 2001
Brandishing – not open carrying
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 2:57 am
Photo: A 13-year-old boy playing cops-and-robbers with a toy gun was shot and wounded last night by a housing police officer at the Gowanus Houses in Brooklyn. Officers and neighbors stood outside the apartment building at 423 Baltic Avenue where Nicholas Heyward was shot in the stomach. (Steve Berman for The New York Times)
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 9:00 am
Sept. 1994
Kids being kids?
Hot head housing police officer?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 3:05 am
Why “open carry” groups don’t get police brutality
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/01/gun_nuts_tragic_confusion_why_open_carry_groups_misunderstand_police_brutality/
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 9:50 am
There’s open carry and there’s brandishing. A holstered sidearm or rifle slung over your back, barrel down is not brandishing.
Banned_From_Breitbart October 10th, 2014 at 6:28 pm
…and even ordering a sandwich on dark rye can turn out badly.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 2:06 pm
“It’s the new cash cow for the Ultra-Rich 1%!!”
umm …. wow ….
Pro-ChoiceTexan October 9th, 2014 at 12:58 pm
Kroger has the option to allow or disallow the open carrry of weapons on their property. They choose to allow these gun fondlers to prance around waving their loaded assault-type weapons in their stores. I, too, have a choice. I spend my grocery dollars elsewhere.
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 1:06 pm
Wow, someone needs a brain.
Anomaly 100 October 9th, 2014 at 1:06 pm
I’m glad you have identified your problem. That’s the first step.
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Yes, my problem is you don’t have a brain.
Anomaly 100 October 9th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
LOL AT you.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 1:53 pm
Do you really think those who open carry are gun fondlers who prance around waving their loaded assault-type weapons in stores? Is there a chance your imagination is getting a little ahead of your keyboard? I suspect that if what you think was indeed true there would be a chance that those doing it would be arrested for, at least, brandishing and they’d be news reports of said events. I don’t know, maybe I’m just missing them. Any reports you can point me to? If you think the above photos are typical then only a little over half are actually shown carrying a firearm, of those 2 are inside private residences, 1 could be anywhere and 1 shows them in the armed services. None of those are in stores, and none are ‘assault’ rifles. Now, of course you don’t think those are typical, do you?
melvin splash October 9th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
Thats right! You have a choice.. glad one of you libs figured that out. Now if you progressive types could respect the rights of others to make theirs.
TrustNoGovt October 9th, 2014 at 1:22 pm
Really, stupid people. Guns make them feel tough, which they need. I carry, but concealed. I don’t need to pull my d*ck out so people can see how big it is!
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 7:51 pm
Hey Fudd, if you dont straighten up it will be the assault weapons ban all over again.hunters said “I don’t need semi-auto and large magazines” so now we have concealed carry holders that allowed their rights to be violated by paying for a right saying open carry is showing off.
Then I love the tactical advantage bs. You draw from deep cover against an open carry let’s see who’s faster. But but they will shoot you because you have your gun exposed. …what makes you think I only have one?
Clarence LeBlanc October 9th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
300 000 Americans will be shot dead in the next 10 years. Every other western society watches the same movies and watches the same video games and have a fraction of the deaths…the only difference is gun laws. The math is simple: for example using the “what stops a bad person with a gun good person with gun theory” if we armed 2 million teachers would this stop a killer form going off on a rampage killing 10 students…maybe…lets even say yes. So those two million guns go to school everyday and everyday 2 million teachers have to make countless decisions each day regarding that gun along with the family members in that household. Those 2 million guns will easily cause 100 deaths due simply to human error and if you add in human malice…we would add many more. But yes…maybe the next high school killer might be stopped…or he might start by grabbing the teachers gun. More guns…more death. Simple math.
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 1:29 pm
Since concealed carry laws have been passed gun violence is down. If you compare to a country like England, they have ALWAYS had a much lower murder rate that America, long before there was gun control in either country. Since they have basically banned guns, their gun crime rates, including murder rate have gone UP, while our continues to go down. Simple math.
steven_lockwood October 9th, 2014 at 1:40 pm
and where do you get those “numbers” from?? I just love magic numbers pulled from thin air…
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
They aren’t hard to find, start with Google.
steven_lockwood October 9th, 2014 at 1:53 pm
ummm, yeah.. so then the nra gun humper page directly… as opposed to a university study to link to..
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 2:01 pm
I found these numbers in many places, if you are so inclined, go look for yourself, I’m just expressing my opinion, feel free to not believe me, disagree, whatever. Notice I didn’t quote the exact numbers, just the trends. I read them several months ago, I don’t have the time or desire to go find them again for you. If you are interested, feel free to find them yourself, I’m sure you can. And no, it wasn’t the NRA or other gun advocacy website. I have a master’s degree in engineering, I can tell when someone is trying to sell me a number.
meconiummm October 9th, 2014 at 3:44 pm
Wow, quite the coward 🙂 Are you holding your gun now?
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 3:51 pm
Of course. Shooting in the air wildly next to an elementary school. Yippie ki-yay mother !@#$%er.
Brent Slensker October 9th, 2014 at 1:58 pm
The idea that Britain has become some sort of crime cesspool is a BIG fabrication/lie.
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
I didn’t say that, but their crime rate has still gone up. It is still very low. Their murder rate is sub 1 per 100,000, I don’t have the number right in front of me. It used to even lower, something in the ballpark of 0.2 per 100,000.
Nicolai Matz October 9th, 2014 at 2:29 pm
The Western European countries are all hovering between 0.4 and 1.2, with a few exceptions (Finland has a very lax gun law and has about 3 times the Murder Rate of the rest of the Scandinavian Countries).
It has been like that for decades.
And since drugs and crises in the western world is about the same, Western Europe experienced the muder spike during the crack epidemic of the 1990’s as well – and also a drop since then.
The problem is that the US. is more or less always having about 400% as high a Murder Rate as the Western European countries (who all have Gun Control)
Gun Control works – and that’s is why the NRA fears it !!
GabeZ October 9th, 2014 at 5:09 pm
“Simple math” does not usually accurately describe complex issues. Correlation does not equal causation. The idea of more guns = less crime is largely attributed to the work of John Lott. However, since then there has been additional study to counter his findings. There isn’t enough data to suggest that there is a causal link. Check the work from John J. Donohue III and Ian Ayres.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 6:48 pm
Nope, not true. Violence, of all types was declining long before the latest relaxing of gun laws.
melvin splash October 9th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
Good…some folks need to die..mostly libs ..
Teddy Simon October 9th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
Says the internet badass , or should I say IDIOT
mea_mark October 9th, 2014 at 3:45 pm
If you want to be banned make another comment like this and you will be, your choice, because it is a free country of course.
meconiummm October 9th, 2014 at 3:43 pm
“the only difference is gun laws” well that’s one difference. Notice how many think they are doing gods will.
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
This article just likes to judge people by how they look. I can respect a business for not wanting too allow open carry, the problem I have with MDA is their position on concealed carry, which makes everyone safer (which is never blatantly stated on their website, but can be inferred from their “accomplishments” they list). And the BS line they keep putting in about without regard for families and children…. How is seeing a gun bad for families and children, doesn’t make any sense.
Hannah Allyse McGary October 9th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
Well I don’t think the article is merely judging based on aesthetic, but also words. Like that first person; that person’s words were extremely rude and malevolent. And then the bozo in the photo with the 2 semis pointed toward the camera with fingers on the triggers is disobeying one of the cardinal rules of gun safety. So is the guy with the little girl; if you’re treating a gun like it is always loaded, you would never hold a child that close to the firearm like that with no safety equipment whatsoever.
I don’t think SEEING a firearm is bad, but I think giving the impression that firearms are needed in a grocery to our most impressionable is misleading and providing an unnecessary fear. Another rule of gun ownership is that you take it where it is needed, you only hold it when it is needed, you only use it when it is needed. And, to be honest, the CCW requirements are so low that people have been found to use it unnecessarily simply because it is there and they get an itch to be a hero.
Kim Sanders October 9th, 2014 at 5:27 pm
I went grocery shopping and saw a muslim woman in full black garb. Believe me I wanted to hold a gun.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 6:46 pm
Yup, solid ‘Murican there.
Kim Sanders October 10th, 2014 at 12:00 am
I don’t now, nor will I ever trust a muslim
If you don’t like it, too bad.
Hannah Allyse McGary October 10th, 2014 at 8:45 am
I think you’re only proving the point of people who want to completely ban guns in the US forever.
Kim Sanders October 10th, 2014 at 10:26 am
I think you’re proving that I have no recourse but to obstruct your every attempt to impinge upon my civil rights. I don’t own a gun, but I think it’s a good investment. When the jack boots show up on your doorstep, you have the option of surrendering your right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Feel just as free to leave me alone.
Hannah Allyse McGary October 10th, 2014 at 10:51 am
I would expect nothing more of you than to divert the subject from something relevant to something irrelevant. Oh lord, please kick the stupid people out of this country.
People who say that the sight of a minority makes them want to hold a gun do not deserve to hold a gun. Ever. And most firearm dealers would completely prevent you from purchasing from them if they heard such a statement. Most ranges would kick you out if you said something like that. So, this has nothing to do with your rights or any childish scheme you can concoct in your bored, typical mind.
I’m glad you don’t own a firearm. Lord willing, you never will. So please, let the adults speak, little Kim, and take your delusional hogwash elsewhere. Or seek counseling. Or watch some Paula Deen. Don’t care. Just quit with the xenophobic, alarmist crap.
jules October 10th, 2014 at 4:05 am
Curious about your name… “tired of (being) Taxed Enough Already”? You’re for higher taxes?
Hannah Allyse McGary October 9th, 2014 at 11:46 pm
Which is why you should never be allowed the opportunity to hold one.
whatthe46 October 10th, 2014 at 12:12 am
you’re seriously ignorant.
Gina M. Nardoianni October 9th, 2014 at 4:17 pm
I’m sure that’s what went through the minds of the small children and teachers at Sandy Hook Elementary: “Oh, look, a man with a gun, I feel so safe”.
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 4:26 pm
Right, because someone casually buying groceries with a holstered pistol is the same as crazy man raining lead.
colliegurl October 9th, 2014 at 4:45 pm
How do we know that the man with the gun at Kroger’s is a good guy with a gun?
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 4:54 pm
For one, it’s not typical criminal behavior. A criminal with ill intentions would likely be hiding their identity, going straight for their target, and getting out as fast as possible. I would say odds are on the side of not bad guy.
Carla Akins October 9th, 2014 at 5:04 pm
No, not necessarily. Some criminals are arrogant and delusional and the lay person shouldn’t have to worry about getting a psych degree just to go shopping for some groceries.
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 7:33 pm
Then wouldn’t you prepare instead of hope?
Carla Akins October 9th, 2014 at 8:34 pm
The point is that you couldn’t prepare enough. You can’t know if the person grabbing a dozen eggs is a good guy or a bad guy. If you need a gun to pick up a dozen eggs, or drop a check at the water department – a therapist should be consulted. That degree of paranoia is not healthy and most certainly will not end well for someone, eventually.
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 11:33 pm
Crimes occur at grocery stores. I saw a fight in a Walmart just a month ago. The justice of the peace was robbed. The judges office had a truck ran through the front of the building and the driver became an active shooter. All this in two months.
I shoot 6 times more often then than the police. When I carry my rifle or shotgun I have way more fire power than my 9 shot Beretta. Why would you think not being prepared at all is better than just not good enough?
I would like my head stone to say “well he tried!” Not “he died on his knees”
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 5:32 am
Who hasn’t seen a fight in Walmart, in no way would a firearm made the situation better. Someone driving a vehicle into a building is not someone walking around a retail establishment.
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 10:26 am
Do you even know the law? Ever hear of felonious assault? It was four on one, if the one had been armed we would have four less thugs on the street. If it hadn’t been for the dozen employees my wife and I would have drawn. Then held them till police arrived. Everyone is worried gun owners are vigilantes, there was no danger to my wife or I, so we didn’t get involved.
jules October 10th, 2014 at 4:04 am
When he points a gun at someone who isn’t committing an act of violence, then he’s a bad guy. Until that point, he’s a good guy. It’s not about “needing” a firearm to shop. It’s about not leaving your constant-carry in the vehicle, or not wanting the tools to defend yourself or others to be off your person.
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 5:29 am
Oh – good grief, get a grip and live your life. Thinking you’ll constantly be under attack is no way to live your life and I sure as hell would not trust the instincts of someone that felt the need to constantly arm themselves in public.
BIGPoJo October 10th, 2014 at 10:03 am
You only need a gun when you don’t have it. Understand?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 1:18 am
And yet….millions carry across the nation without any problems.
Virginia has had open and concealed carry for decades…and our crime rate has dropped precipitously.
Just because YOU think something is true does not make it so.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 4:26 am
Right back atcha. Crime has dropped all over the country since the 90’s – including areas where people don’t pack heat to the grocery store. Just because YOU think something is true, doesn’t make it so.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 9:49 am
Oh look. You just agreed with me.
Crime HAS dropped. All the while gun ownership and carry has skyrocketed across the nation.
I do not state that the ownership and carry are the cause. I state that the ownership and carry do not contribute to crime. Your fears of “blood in the streets” by the carriers has been a constant refrain on the gun control side for decades.” It keeps NOT happening.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 1:21 pm
Comprehension is is an issue, huh?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
Apparently yours is. Crime has dropped. Guns do not cause crime.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 5:34 pm
You still missed my point. Seriously?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 5:44 pm
“Just because YOU think something is true, doesn’t make it so.”
You are assuming that I think that increased carry caused the crime drop. I said no such thing. I stated that crime dropped while carry and ownership went up. Guns don’t cause crime.
If your point is this: “The point is that you couldn’t prepare enough.”, then you’re stating that you might as well not prepare. Because that person buying eggs, pushing a loaded cart, might suddenly start blasting someone. Yet that does not happen.
What happens is that a criminal that will carry regardless of the law will enter the store, threaten an employee and/or customers and try and get money.
THAT person is not someone that this law affects. This law merely allows the citizen the same freedom as the criminal…but lawfully.
You think that increase ownership and carry will cause an increase in crime…..but the reality is, and you agreed, is that crime has dropped.
MaximRice October 9th, 2014 at 4:48 pm
That’s the problem — we are too casual with guns. No sane society would consider it “normal” to carry a gun everywhere. A sign of psychosis, as 30,000 gun deaths annually proves.
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 4:59 pm
Of those 30,000 a large number are suicides. The rest primarily not committed by CHL holders (the people suffering from psychosis as you say). The crime rate among CHL holders is infact very low.
MaximRice October 9th, 2014 at 5:19 pm
Think of the cost of your fetish:
http://guns.periscopic.com/?year=2013
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 5:49 pm
Ok, will do.
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 7:31 pm
I can promise that the principal wished she had a gun.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 7:35 pm
No, she was wishing that Landis didn’t.
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 7:38 pm
She at least fought. That bit of warrior spirit would have given her a chance if she was trained….how do you plan on keeping guns from a murderer? The Naval yard shooter killed a guard.you know law enforcement. …the folks that you think could disarm the rest of the country.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 7:51 pm
“how do you plan on keeping guns from a murderer?”, kinda simple, actually. All the things you gun zealots don’t want done because they are too inconvenient for you poor dears; Fewer unregistered guns, tighter gun sale laws, especially gun at shows, change of ownership tracking, liability insurance requirements. Heavy penalties for gun use and very heavy penalties for unregistered gun transfers.
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 7:53 pm
They still have guns in the UK.they still take them from cops and they still make them in China.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 7:56 pm
They still have phenomenally lower gun violence.
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 7:58 pm
Who cares when you have your head hacked off?
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 7:59 pm
Because we are all imminent danger of that happening.
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 8:02 pm
About up there with your odds of being shot by a chl or open carrier.
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 8:03 pm
7x more likely a cop will shoot you.
Sprocket October 10th, 2014 at 12:44 am
Yeah but they have lots of knife, hammer, axe, saw and broken bottle violence
Sprocket October 10th, 2014 at 12:45 am
You realize most criminals steal or buy stolen guns right? So none of what you propose would have much if any effect….
Sprocket October 10th, 2014 at 12:44 am
That didnt help much did it?
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 6:36 pm
“…concealed carry, which makes everyone safer”. No, it does not.
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 6:40 pm
Stats say otherwise. And logic.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 6:44 pm
There are no reliable stats and logic states the opposite.
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 6:51 pm
Logic: a) No conceal carry means bad guys no they will not have to worry as much. B ) puts the weak on equal (or better) ground as the strong. You don’t think if more women conceal carried there wouldn’t be less rapes. C) there are verifiable stats that very few crimes are committed by CHL holders, guns are in the hands of those who can prevent crime. D) police are rarely there exactly when you need them.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 6:58 pm
a-bad guys do bad things without thinking. They have the element of surprise and will take your gun from you before you can say Quick Draw McGraw, the crime dog you are pretending to be. b- wrong on it face and idiotic in concept. c- there are verifiable stats that most people don’t commit crimes, Yawn. d-Cops will show up to call for the ambulance you need after your gun was forcefully removed from your person.
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 7:08 pm
Wow. That’s the worst rebuttal I have ever heard. In the words of Jay-Z, don’t argue with fools, from a distance you can’t tell who is who, so with that, I’m out, have fun.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 7:34 pm
It made you go away, so mission accomplished!
BIGPoJo October 10th, 2014 at 10:01 am
@tiredoftea, mod with a mission huh?
Sprocket October 10th, 2014 at 12:38 am
It’s called situational awareness. Also the element of surprise works both ways…
jules October 10th, 2014 at 4:01 am
Correct. Most people don’t commit crimes. Boys who grow up in households without their fathers are the ones who commit violent crimes. CCW holders have a crime rate near that of law enforcement officers — the lowest in the nation. Why aren’t the Bloomberg Bullies out protesting fathers who abandon their families, or mothers who have children out of wedlock? That would have a greater impact on crime.
tiredoftea October 10th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
“Boys who grow up in households without their fathers are the ones who commit violent crimes” Every single one of them? What delusional world do you live in?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 1:14 am
“will take your gun from you before you can say Quick Draw McGraw”
Yep….that happens all the time…I see it in the news constantly.
Not.
bogart14 October 9th, 2014 at 9:37 pm
Why is it that all of the anti-regulation people don’t know how to spell? For example “no” denotes a negation, whereas “know”, the word you are looking for, is a reference to knowledge, an attribute you clearly lack.
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 9:41 pm
I fixed that 3 hours ago (hence the edit), I originally typed it on a phone. How can you even still see that? Have you ever been guilty of a typo? I have a master’s degree in engineering, trust me, I know the difference between no and know.
Sprocket October 10th, 2014 at 12:35 am
No one likes a spelling nazi….
Michelle October 10th, 2014 at 4:05 am
I am so sick of ‘men’ getting on here and posting about rape. WHEN HAVE ANY OF YOU EVER PREVENTED A RAPE OR ANY OTHER CRIME? I want to see a real news report about you personally saving a woman because you had a gun. And it has to be a legit link, no fake news sites like fox, or pro-nra sites.
Jake October 10th, 2014 at 9:54 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/03/woman-shoots-stalker_n_5928200.html
There you go. in you of your lib news sites as well.
You have to be dense to think pointing a gun at a potential rapist isn’t a deterrent. It probably wouldn’t prevent all rapes, but certainly it could prevent some.
barneythedinosaur October 10th, 2014 at 10:47 am
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=125846
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10451493/
http://www.examiner.com/article/texas-woman-shoots-wanted-serial-robber-possible-rapist-story-ignored-by-msm
http://not-thinking.com/why-defend-yourself/videos-about-guns-used-for-self-defense/woman-shoots-rapist/
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/11/police-60-year-old-woman-shoots-and-kills-rapist-in-his-20s-2757946.html
I could a personal anecdote about not getting raped or killed because I was armed; but you will dismiss me with a claim I am just another angry white male with no education and bad dental habits.
Michelle October 10th, 2014 at 3:59 am
Because I am afraid of you people carrying the guns! We all are! Look at your own photos. A bunch of white trash with fourth grade educations, that is what you people look like and that is why intelligent people are afraid of you.
BIGPoJo October 10th, 2014 at 9:55 am
What do you mean “you people”, you racist, fascist, ammophobe, bloomberg bully!!!! People who go around claiming they are intelligent have no clue just how stupid they are. Calling people white trash is like calling blacks the n-word. We despise it. Sounds like you are sissy who is afraid of guns, do you cower down to cops when they walk into the store? Are you afraid of them open carrying or do you get a false sense of comfort from the uniform they wear? Sounds like you have fallen for the perception of authority fallacy.
Jake October 10th, 2014 at 10:12 am
Let’s analyze these photos for a sec:
1) He is wearing hunting attire, you hunt in the cold, you cover up.
2) He looks a bit rough, but are we really going to judge him because he is big? He could be a really nice guy.
3) That’s just a normal looking old guy posing with his new birthday present. What he says was fairly well written, regardless if you agree with his point, other than the misspelling, you ever make a typo?
4) Looks pretty average, just doing a James Bond pose for a picture… in the privacy of his own home it looks like.
5) This is the worst looking of the bunch, and the least responsibly handling of his gun around children, you really going to take this one guy and stereotype “us” all of him?
6) Looks like he is probably in the military, nothing wrong with what he said, just expressing his opinion.
7) Looks like a normal dude to me. He was making a joke, and with an all black background, I doubt he is even Kroger.
I know many intelligent gun owners with science and engineering degrees, “we” are not scary, we are intelligent by pretty much any measure. We look just like anyone else. But thanks for stereotyping.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 1:12 am
Bigots do that.
steven_lockwood October 9th, 2014 at 1:46 pm
wow, who cares about a backward store chain that is already on the verge of bankruptcy.. Im guessing they only made a controversy just to get business from anyone , no matter how dangerous or stupid they are. Better they go out of business now rather than later
RAM1 October 9th, 2014 at 7:03 pm
To show how stupid you are their stock has more than doubled in 24 months.Says a lot about your sources of info.
jules October 10th, 2014 at 3:58 am
Backward store chain? It’s the 4th largest retailer IN THE WORLD. Plus, they’re healthy, growing, and hiring. They don’t need the Bloomberg Bullies, most of whom probably don’t shop there anyway. http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/youll-be-amazed-how-big-kroger
Rob Thomas October 9th, 2014 at 2:11 pm
‘Those moms’ need to evaluation their own decisions, like who they chose to breed with, because most have no father in the house. Which is the problem.
Hannah Allyse McGary October 9th, 2014 at 3:37 pm
And the lead singer of Matchbox 20 is here to bring you a completely deluded, irrelevant and untrue little snippet of his psychosis! Good boy!
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 6:43 pm
Kinda like your family?
GabeZ October 9th, 2014 at 6:55 pm
Really? Where is your evidence for your assertion?
bogart14 October 9th, 2014 at 9:43 pm
Why is it that all of the anti-regulation people don’t understand grammar? You can’t “evaluation” things. Maybe if the pro-gun folks didn’t breed with such abandon we’d have a better handle on these problems. A lack of education is clearly one of the central problems.
whatthe46 October 10th, 2014 at 12:47 am
just when i think i’ve read about the stupidest fk’n comment, i come upon yours.
Jim Thomas October 9th, 2014 at 4:06 pm
A little more than 4 million people belong to the NRA, they have paid between $25.00 and $25,000 to be members.
211,000 “liked” the MDA for Free.
When it comes to putting your money where your mouth is only 29,000 Gun Grabbers paid dues to the Coalition To Stop Gun Violence last year.
Hillary Clinton came out and called gun owners a Minority on national tv, Discrimination of any kind is wrong, even on guns. Hopefully gun owners will start banding together better and get equal rights under the law just like every other minority group and restore their rights to participate in entertainment, sustinance, education, the legislative process as well as judicial proceedings without fear of unjust laws made specifically to discriminate against them.
The groundwork was allready laid by specical interest groups representing less than 2% of the poplulation so gun owners should just transform their battle cry to:
I AM AN AMMOSEXUAL, I WAS BORN THIS WAY, IT WASN’T A CHOICE, PLEASE RESPECT MY ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 6:42 pm
“A little more than 4 million people belong to the NRA,”. No, the NRA does not publish audited membership numbers. And, recent investigations show they count anyone who returns a postcard to them or registers on their website, and dead members in their numbers. So, no, the NRA has not nearly that number of actual, alive and dues paying members.
I certainly hope that you were attempting humor with the “discrimination” nonsense. It was not only not funny but confirmed why those of us with a more honest understanding of gun rights think the worst of your ammosexual types. Thanks, for that, BTW, it sure confirmed a lot. But, please learn to dress better, OK?
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 7:28 pm
Right to keep (own) and bear (carry)…hmm and that is an enumerated right, not a perceived civil right. Where’s the confusion?
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 7:33 pm
No confusion here, where’s the dominant clause “A well regulated militia”…? Conveniently dropped, thanks to the NRA and its followers.
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 7:34 pm
Who is the militia? All we the people….if you dont own a rifle and ammunition you are violating the 1903 militia act.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 7:46 pm
If you have to ask that question, you are hopelessly unqualified to even address the issue. Stop parroting the gun zealot websites and learn for yourself.
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 7:51 pm
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit I see.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 7:58 pm
Having patience with the intellectually challenged has always outstripped many of my other talents.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 1:11 am
So, in other words, you don’t know who the militia is, then.
Also, the dominant clause is not the militia clause. Nor does “well regulated” mean what you think it means. AND it applies only to the militia…not to the individual gun owners.
Sprocket October 10th, 2014 at 12:30 am
See Heller vs DC and McDonald Vs Chicago. The second amendment is an individual right irrespective of the militia clause.
Sprocket October 10th, 2014 at 12:29 am
Quit being an ammophobe bigot
jules October 10th, 2014 at 3:55 am
…and a Bloomberg Bully.
freakbiker . October 10th, 2014 at 10:06 am
You people must really hate Muslims and Palestinians, every time I see a picture of one in the news they are holding guns.
tiredoftea October 10th, 2014 at 1:07 pm
Another deep thinker from the NRA’s Facebook page sharing his humor. Thanks for playing.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 1:09 am
“And, recent investigation…”
Recent? Got a link?
Jim Thomas October 14th, 2014 at 3:43 pm
Your ammosexual types? Grammer.com let you get started for free.
In my state I can’t go to public parks.
In my state I can’t visit the county courthouse.
In my state I can’t visit the state capitol or any other state buildings.
In my state I can’t seek any higher education
(in reality I am good with the three I have)
In my state I have to be on a Gestopo like list which is checked monthly just to exercise my rights.
160 years ago women and black men could have said the same things, if you think it is not discrimination then GOD HELP YOU.
Jim Thomas October 14th, 2014 at 3:47 pm
Oh and by the way, the picture is from the article and not me. Makes me wonder if you read the article.
moab mike October 9th, 2014 at 4:21 pm
open carry = cowards and/or bullies
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
Mikey = moron
moab mike October 9th, 2014 at 10:48 pm
projection is fun to watch.
Ima1492 October 10th, 2014 at 10:41 am
That must be why you projectile vomited your brain out at a very early age.
ded2me October 9th, 2014 at 5:31 pm
So cops are cowards?
OldLefty October 9th, 2014 at 5:36 pm
Do you have ANY idea what you are talking about?
Me Her October 9th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
Apparently moab mike doesn’t.
OldLefty October 9th, 2014 at 5:54 pm
Why?
ekaresky October 9th, 2014 at 7:10 pm
Do you try hard to be a fucking idiot or does it come easy?
mea_mark October 9th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
The full moon was yesterday, we are now deleting trollish comments, thanks for stopping by though. Hope you enjoyed your visit.
moab mike October 9th, 2014 at 10:47 pm
seriously?
Kim Sanders October 9th, 2014 at 5:24 pm
I’m a mom, and I object to this group’s name: mom’s demand action. It implies I sanction their stupidity.
BTW
Vote November 4
TEA PARTY!
OldLefty October 9th, 2014 at 5:32 pm
I’m a mom, and I object to this group’s name
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That’s what WE say about every group with “Patriot” in it’s name.
I can’t wait to vote in November.
Our Tea party governor looks like he will be the first one termer in decades.
Kim Sanders October 10th, 2014 at 12:07 am
Would that be the state of delusion?
Funny you mention that.
While I have Tea Party leanings,
I’m only decidedly anti-democrat, which means I’ll vote for whichever republican will hold Obola and his administration accountable.
How do you like me, now?
whatthe46 October 10th, 2014 at 12:38 am
pathetic. and extremely clueless.
Michelle October 10th, 2014 at 3:49 am
We didn’t like you to begin with! But I’m sure you’re used to hearing that. I also don’t believe you are a women, My guess? A nasty old racist man who lives alone and has no one to talk to.
OldLefty October 10th, 2014 at 6:50 am
Kim Sanders,
That’s EXACTLY how I feel about voting anti-republic, and holding those miscreants accountable.
But you MUST have the stronger argument because YOU called the president ‘Obola’.
Bet that had the rest of the 3rd grade rolling in the aisles.
freakbiker . October 10th, 2014 at 10:00 am
Of course you are anti -Republic, communist pig.
OldLefty October 10th, 2014 at 7:24 am
“How do you like me, now?” ???
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You are no different than fringes have been for centuries.
What’s do you mean, “now”??
Kim Sanders October 10th, 2014 at 11:02 am
I think I’ve kicked a Liberaland beehive. Get over yourselves. You aren’t getting our guns.
Just one more inflammatory comment before I retire from this mess:
That boot on your necks is federal issue.
OldLefty October 10th, 2014 at 11:15 am
I think I’ve kicked a Liberaland beehive. Get over yourselves. You aren’t getting our guns.
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Nobody wants your guns.
They simply want you to be responsible and to stop being obedient dupes of the gun manufacturers.
Michael D Dempsey October 10th, 2014 at 11:38 am
Obola? That’s not even clever. It’s offensive, ignorant, misguided and a clear indicator of your lack of mental capacity to back up your opinions with fact, evidence and reason. I’m neither Republican nor Democrat. Nor American, but that’s irrelevant in a modern world.
Kim Sanders October 10th, 2014 at 7:33 pm
You’re pseudo god is guilty of premeditated murder.
Michael D Dempsey October 11th, 2014 at 4:13 am
uhh … I guess from your use of you’re and your seeming lack of a coherent thought process you didn’t understand that I’m not an Obama camper. So unless you have some insight into my personal belief system that I myself have not yet discovered, my response is, Huh?
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 9:31 am
Not very well. Then again, fools and stupid people have never been my favorites. You strike me as both.
Michelle October 10th, 2014 at 3:46 am
You tea baggers can’t even read well enough to vote. AND you are a terrorist group!
MaximRice October 9th, 2014 at 6:20 pm
Oh Kim — Sad you consider Moms who want to protect their children stupid. Hard to understand why you want your kids surrounded with weapons. THAT is psychotic.
Kim Sanders October 10th, 2014 at 12:03 am
I think you should stop trying to run everyone’s life and just screw up your own.
I was properly trained as a child to shoot a weapon. I, however, never learned to saw off a head. So, I guess my point is: Choose your weapon, wisely
whatthe46 October 10th, 2014 at 3:00 am
like those officers that were also trained who shot themselves. just great.
Michelle October 10th, 2014 at 3:44 am
But were you taught anything important? Were you given an education?
Kim Sanders October 10th, 2014 at 11:24 am
I have a masters degree. I’m on my way to a PHD. Incidentally, Foundational Tea Party is a highly educated demographic. Our minions, not so much. Perhaps, since you yourself are a minion of liberal agenda, you can see the usefulness of minions.
OldLefty October 10th, 2014 at 11:35 am
I have a masters degree. I’m on my way to a PHD.
__________
Don’t we all?
Incidentally, Foundational Tea Party is a highly educated demographic.
_________
By their OWN admission.
Mostly, they are the minions of corporate welfare queens and their lobbyists.
freakbiker . October 10th, 2014 at 9:58 am
Kim, this all comes from the party of tolerance, they feel that everyone deserves an opinion and state that there should be a national conversation. As long as your opinion agrees with theirs and the conversation is one sided.
The National Socialist Party round 2 is what they really are.
OldLefty October 10th, 2014 at 10:16 am
freakbiker,
As long as your opinion agrees with theirs and the conversation is one sided.
____________
Thou dost project too much, Methinks.
That’s EXACTLY what THEY say about YOU.
The ACTUAL National Socialist Party (Who killed off the socialists as their first action), round 2 is what YOU really seem to be.
projection; When a person has uncomfortable thoughts or feelings, they may project these onto other people, assigning the thoughts or feelings that they need torepress to a convenient alternative target
freakbiker . October 10th, 2014 at 11:08 am
Is that your version of “I know you are but what am I?” Pathetic
Projection: when a liberal cries racism and terrorism when they have no rational dialogue
OldLefty October 10th, 2014 at 11:13 am
Is that your version of “I know you are but what am I?
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No, not at all.
It’s pointing out that you are using the same old, stale talking points that have been used for centuries with no facts to back it up.
Learn what you are talking about or at least come up with some original material.
freakbiker . October 10th, 2014 at 1:01 pm
Someone that attacks another’s use of an apostrophe while claiming talking points on gun control is centuries old is laughable.
When the hypocritical left acts like adults rather than throw petty insults as seen in almost every post here, you might be taken seriously.
OldLefty October 10th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
Someone that attacks another’s use of an apostrophe while claiming talking points on gun control is centuries old is laughable.
When the hypocritical left acts like adults rather than throw petty insults as seen in almost every post here, you might be taken seriously.
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I’m not responding to the “use of an apostrophe” comment .
The sentiment, “As long as your opinion agrees with theirs and the conversation is one sided.” is centuries old.
And get back to me when the hypocritical right stops calling everyone who disagrees with them NAZIs and calls the president “Obola”, and can hold up their end of the argument.
Kim Sanders October 10th, 2014 at 11:18 am
OldLefty reverts to old English. You have gone out of your way to stalk me, OldLefty. My email is jammed with your compulsion to aggravate someone who doesn’t agree with you.
Get over it. You’ve been diverted to my spam bucket.
OldLefty October 10th, 2014 at 11:23 am
What email?????
Stalk you???
By seeing a comment that is easily refuted?
Michelle October 10th, 2014 at 3:42 am
Kim, since you claim you are a member of the tea baggers, I doubt you are raising children…perhaps you are a great grandmother because every time I see your racist group gathering (only in nice weather)) you all seem to be at least 70 (not to insult clear thinking grandparents or all people in their 70s)
Chuck Larlham October 10th, 2014 at 6:27 am
As a person in my seventies I thank you for the caveat.
bogart14 October 10th, 2014 at 4:07 am
Your lack of any logical argument has undoubtedly swayed many. Also, your misuse of an apostrophe continues the trend of “gun-rights” supporters evidently being unable to write two sentences without epically failing. One misplaced apostrophe isn’t epic, but the combined intellectual failure rate of y’all is pretty impressive.
Kim Sanders October 10th, 2014 at 10:55 am
You’re basing your superiority on a type-o? Bogart, that boot on your neck is federal issue.
Rick October 10th, 2014 at 11:52 am
Kim this is who you are,plain and simple another Koch brothers sheep.
Guest October 10th, 2014 at 11:53 am
This is who you are Kim,pretty obvious.
Angeline October 9th, 2014 at 9:20 pm
Actually, the fact that a photo is posted on a social media site does not mean the owner has forfeited copyright to reproduce the photo. Their copyright remains intact unless specifically disclaimed through something like a Creative Commons license. To claim otherwise is kind of a wild west mentality all its own.
Tiffany Miller October 9th, 2014 at 11:04 pm
gun rights activists are terrorists
Sprocket October 10th, 2014 at 12:25 am
Sounds like you need to go look up the definition of terrorist….
jules October 10th, 2014 at 3:53 am
I think the Bloomberg Bullies more closely fit that definition…
Chuck Larlham October 10th, 2014 at 6:23 am
How so, lackwit? They threaten no physical harm. There is nothing they could do at any time that would result in anyone’s injury or death (unlike the nitwit who dropped an unsafetied gun with a round under the hammer and shot two people and a can of tomatoes… with one bullet). So in what way are they terrorists?
freakbiker . October 10th, 2014 at 9:45 am
I wouldn’t call them terrorists. Maybe National Socialists Party
Chuck Larlham October 10th, 2014 at 6:25 am
Why should she? Looks like she has pretty much the right of it. Reading the comments of gun rights activists, and watching their behavior, it’s evident to anyone with enough smarts to pour water out of a boot without directions on the heel that those fools are terrorists.
Guest October 10th, 2014 at 9:44 am
You are right. National Socialist Party describes them more.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 5:12 pm
hey don’t bitch too hard on that socialist party that once started in this here USA. It kinda got some work regulations and practices going on.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 9:26 am
Um-m-m… National Socialist Party was Nazis.
annaaurora October 11th, 2014 at 10:53 am
Read your history…..
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 11:59 am
I have. You should do the same, but here’s a short precis from Wikipedia:
National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei… literally the, “National Socialist German Negotiators Party.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
The word “Nazi” comes from dividing up the first word thusly: {“Na” tionalso “zi” alistische} and using the Na and zi to create the word “Nazi”)
annaaurora October 11th, 2014 at 7:54 pm
Before that. American Socialists Party starting in 1867.
annaaurora October 11th, 2014 at 8:18 pm
I never said they started here you hump.
OldLefty October 11th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
Also;
Ernst Roehm, was in charge of the
Sturmabteilung which included many
members who actually believed in the ‘socialism’ of National Socialism and also
wanted to become a true revolutionary army in place of the regular German
Army. Their anti-capitalist ideologies of the SA
leaders (and echoed by the restless masses ) caused great concern to big
industry leaders who had helped put Hitler in power. Hitler had promised
them he would put down the trade union movement and Marxists, which he had
done, but now his own storm troopers were sounding more and more like Marxists
themselves.
According to Hitler, 61 had been executed while 13 had been shot, resisting arrest and three had committed suicide. Others have argued that as many as 400 people were killed . This was The Night of the Long Knives.
The Nazis believed that communism was dangerous to the well-being of nations
because of its intention to dissolve private property and it’s atheism.
annaaurora October 11th, 2014 at 7:47 pm
I’m talking about the American Socialistic. Started in 1867. We did have a pretty big one for a while especially from 1901-1918.
OldLefty October 12th, 2014 at 8:12 am
I’m talking about the American Socialistic. Started in 1867. We did have a pretty big one for a while especially from 1901-1918
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What does that have to do with the Nazis?
annaaurora October 12th, 2014 at 9:46 am
I never said anything about the Nazi’s. It was you who and Chuck who brought up the Nazi’s.
OldLefty October 12th, 2014 at 9:50 am
We were responding to comments about Nazis …… I thought.
Perhaps this comes down to, ‘never mind”.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 11:36 am
Oh I didn’t realize the WE. Sometimes, well often, I forget to pay attention and further more I need to remember it’s not all about me. Sorry OldLefty. Here’s to Hibbing and the Haymarket.
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 11:40 am
Me too.
Actually, I lost track of the thread.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 11:49 am
On a thread someone was calling the anti-gun folks socialists. I made mention that socialists had much to do regarding worker’s rights. Which they did. When I said this I was specifically thinking of American Socialism. And like all gun people he went down the Nazi path. That is one of their ever loving charms.
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 11:53 am
Ok.
I lost track of who was calling who, what.
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 11:53 am
Ok.
I lost track of who was calling who, what.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 12:04 pm
If you really want to know ask again but you must know I am not fond of guns!
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 12:51 pm
I’m done.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 11:49 am
On a thread someone was calling the anti-gun folks socialists. I made mention that socialists had much to do regarding worker’s rights. Which they did. When I said this I was specifically thinking of American Socialism. And like all gun people he went down the Nazi path. That is one of their ever loving charms.
annaaurora October 11th, 2014 at 8:26 pm
American Socialist Party.
OldLefty October 12th, 2014 at 7:47 am
“American Socialist Party”
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????????
Sprocket October 11th, 2014 at 3:14 pm
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10647110_833918873297915_1492543666263233379_n.jpg?oh=9036d4dae5d3a7dd42a3fc6492c82375&oe=54BF9496&__gda__=1420646190_fcb2af9cb929839f48966ccfa6ea8886
minnginn October 10th, 2014 at 12:05 am
There is no arguing with those who insist on carrying loaded guns everywhere they go, so protest with your dollars and use them elsewhere.
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 10:05 am
why shouldn’t people be allowed to pack firearms?
postone October 10th, 2014 at 1:26 am
If you are a law abiding citizen its no one’s else’s business what you, say, or carry as long as you are not breaking any laws. And the same goes for the people who oppose open carry, CCW, gays or what have you, its their right to express their views again as long as no laws are broken.
I have carried 38 special and then a Colt Government Issue 380 (they aren’t made any longer) since I was 21 years old. I have never had to use it, but I did pull it one time. Some say if you pull a gun you should be ready to use it. That’s, crap because the police pull theirs all the time and don’t always shoot.
The problem with both sides of this issue and both sides of people, is that neither one of ya will let the other live their lives. Just mind your own business (both sides) and tend to your families. None of you are so special that your backyard is all cleaned up and you have nothing to do.
And grow up…
bogart14 October 10th, 2014 at 3:59 am
Oy vei, obviously the issue is what the laws are, what is contraband or not. Cocaine is not legal, even though, a priori, there is no theoretical necessity for your possession of a baggie of coke to harm me. Driving 120 mph doesn’t in and of itself harm anyone either. But there are laws against that activity. The relative positivity of those laws may be up for debate, but your post clearly lacks any realistic perspective. The Guvment regulates cars (and crack), unless you disagree with the basic proposition that these fall under the purview of the state, then you would be intellectually failing if you somehow separated guns from said regulatory mechanisms.
verneoz October 10th, 2014 at 8:36 am
There are over 20,000 local, state and federal gun laws on the books in the 50 states. Guns are definitely regulated.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 1:58 am
Gun deaths.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 1:00 am
108,000 defensive gun uses, per the CDC.
The VPC likes to leave that bit out.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 2:15 am
OC supporters.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 9:52 am
Actually Jones – no. They are not open carrying – they are brandishing.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 11:15 am
open carry texas
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 1:21 pm
So are these lackwits brandishing or carrying?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:59 am
See the slings. Carrying.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 11:17 am
Their barrels are down.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 11:24 am
Indeed they are. Firearms are also slung. They are not being held in free hands as in the photo above.
Texas has a slightly unique situation in that long guns are the only guns they are legally allowed to open carry. Well those and pre-1893 black power revolvers or replicas thereof. Texans want to be able to carry a ‘modern’ design sidearm like most of the country, but for now they can’t.
Rick October 10th, 2014 at 11:44 am
Probably they can’t be trusted maybe is why.At least with long guns they have an idea who is a wacko and needs to be watched.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 11:49 am
Their accident rates are a little better (lower) than many other States. Haven’t seen a break down in unlawful/justified homicides within the State to compare to others.
I’d suggest that Texans are no different than the rest of the citizens of the US.
edit – I wonder what make Vermont so trustworthy. They have been a constitutional carry since the birth of this nation. Const. Carry is the ability to choose to OC or CC at the discretion of the carrier – without any permit of any sort.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
Imported Cajun: “Firearms are also slung. They are not being held in free hands as in the photo above.”
Sez who? And who slings a shotgun anyway?
Imported Cajun October 11th, 2014 at 6:16 pm
I’m not sure what’s happened here. My comment above was a reply to Jones but it was posted under a different photo. The photo above demonstrates brandishing, not open carrying.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 6:47 pm
What is the difference in law between “brandishing” and “open carrying?” Who determines which people are doing in these cases? What is the law’s reaction to each of the two actions? Is this something you made up?
Frankly, I think anyone who insists on walking up and down the aisles of their local grocery carrying a rifle, combat weapon or pistol in hand or in holster is brandishing. They’re trying to bully the public into accepting this as some sort of new societal norm. The fact that we don’t like it doesn’t make us the bad guys.
Imported Cajun October 11th, 2014 at 7:32 pm
I’m basing my responses to the above photos and others on Louisiana law. Your States may have different definitions.
Brandishing within the context of concealed carry is partially defined in Louisiana RS40:1382.
For a handgun if it is in a holster worn on your person, but clearly visible then that is open carrying. Just like a police officer.
If you are holding the handgun in you hand in such a way that there is a reasonable expectation that it could be discharged that is brandishing. That will get you arrested and your firearm confiscated. If you have a concealed permit, well, you HAD a concealed permit.
Rifles must be carried via a sling, muzzle down. The same definition applies. This is why OC’ing a rifle slung to the front can be bad. Could there be a reasonable expectation that it could discharged? Slung to the back no such issue.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:59 am
The fact that you don’t like it and are trying to infringe upon the rights of others to carry makes you the bad guys.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 1:13 pm
That’s pretty stupid, Cajus. On what basis do you divide open carry from brandishing? Whatever it is, I wouldn’t want to take it into court. But your answer illustrates a point. Black guys in stores with guns won’t likely get the same tolerance as white guys.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:57 am
No…his complaint was that they were brandishing. It is a legal term. They are holding their weapons in their hands.
Open carry means holstered pistols and slung long guns.
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 9:09 pm
that picture is a perfect example why every mom and kid in america should be armed to the teeth!!
looks like an NRA ad
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 9:18 am
Why is it a perfect example why every mom and kid in america should be armed to the teeth?
Those four upstanding young men are simply exercizing their 2nd Amendment rights (the guy grabbing his crotch could use a lecture on manners from HIS mom, though).
Chinese Democracy October 11th, 2014 at 2:14 pm
sar·casm
ˈsärˌkazəm/
noun
the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
“his voice, hardened by sarcasm, could not hide his resentment”
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:56 am
Nice to see them using trigger discipline.
Kenneth Johnson October 10th, 2014 at 2:16 am
Aren’t you glad Kroger supports hunting in their stores?
madashellnow October 10th, 2014 at 9:05 am
There are one heck of a lot more innocent babies killed by abortion doctors than are killed by gun owners. Not to mention, law abiding gun owners to not kill.
Jill Bergene October 10th, 2014 at 9:11 am
It must suck to be as stupid as you. Poor thing.
OldLefty October 10th, 2014 at 9:21 am
They are not babies.
More innocent ACTUAL babies are killed by http://www.medscape.com/index/section_10171_0
Medscape Medical News > Oncology
Childhood Cancer and Environmental Toxins Are Both Increasing
“proliferation of environmental toxins and the rise
in childhood cancers. circulated in the fetal blood and breast
milk.
And… lethal osteogenesis imperfecta, , holoprosencephaly , placental abruption, previa, amniontic fluid embolism, accretaprolasped
umbilical cord, epidermolysis bullose, lethal acantholytic, uterine cancers, , inversion of rupture uterus, Placenta accretaprolasped umbilical cord, shoulder dystocia ruptured endometrium. … lethal osteogenesis imperfecta,
William October 10th, 2014 at 10:17 am
” Not to mention, law abiding gun owners to not kill “
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 9:07 pm
I have a friend in the Marines and he saw a dude in McDonalds with a pistol . He started laughing.
He also noticed the guy had the hammer cocked .
my friend said what a pussy
lol put it in perspective for me
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 12:43 pm
Your friend in the “marines” uh huh. And dosen’t know that a 1911 is carried cocked and locked……yeah right.
Chinese Democracy October 11th, 2014 at 2:12 pm
yeah I made that story up just for you.. cuz I knew it would impress you.
just because you dont agree with something doesnt mean its not true
FOX viewers dont seem to get that concept
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
I never get that, I don’t even own a TV. Is jumping to conclusions a super power?
Ever wonder how someone would know model of pistol based on carry conditions? It tends to mean they are an expert at firearms. With many many more years of firearms experience than a “marine”. Marines are all riflemen, heck they carry a double single m9. Wouldn’t even know a 1911.
Chinese Democracy October 12th, 2014 at 3:13 am
so according to you. “Marines” <— ( I didnt forget the quotation marks)
All I know is my friend is a marine. He laughed and said the guy was a pussy
get a tv right wing radio is affecting your brain 🙂
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:55 am
Depends upon the age of the Marine.
Michael D Dempsey October 10th, 2014 at 11:26 am
That’s because they stop being law abiding citizens when they kill. And a womans’ right over her own body has nothing to do with guns. Guns do not create safety, they create the potential for harm, regardless of who is holding them.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:54 am
“Guns do not create safety, they create the potential for harm, regardless of who is holding them.”
Tell that to the estimated 108,000 people who protected themselves with defensive gun use every year….per the CDC.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 1:35 pm
Abortion is legal. Shooting people as they shop, watch movies, walk down the street or sleep in their beds is not. Law abiding gun owners drop guns, keep a round under the hammer, keep the safety off, fastdraw and shoot themselves in the nuts and generally get people shot pretty much every day.
Jill Bergene October 10th, 2014 at 9:13 am
Jeff Brunner is kissing a man…right?
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 9:58 am
No that would be me smart ass
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 9:03 pm
kissing a man?! Nooooooo what next same sex marriage in 30 states?
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 10:04 am
wow I’m glad they use peoples pictures without consent and then turn around and block them from commenting. all they want to do is get a rise out of people and people are giving them that. Someone either has a hard on for Krogers or have some real serious underlying issues and a fear of guns. Whether your petition goes through or not I am still allowed too pack my weapons as it is my constitutional right. I barely ever shop at Krogers but I’m making a vow to shop there and exercised my constitutional rights. I hope Kroeger gets flooded with business.
Shartiblartfat October 10th, 2014 at 10:09 am
Wrong, Melisa; the pictures are drawn from social media, and are therefore fair game. Be careful of what you post!
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:17 am
just shows what trolls they are. an excuse me I don’t have to watch anything I say. especially when it’s not out of line.if you want to take up for a bunch of people who want to strip people from their constitutional rights just because they do not agree with it. then have at it but don’t harp on me. the attorney general’s office is already very well aware of these people and what they’re doing. it may be in there rights to do so.but its also my right not to be exposed for what I believe in. their petition is going to do nothing more than give Kroger publicity. I’m glad they’re finally taking a stand against these people.What’s good for the goose is also good for the gander.. there’s parts of the Constitution I may not agree with but I’m not going to strip one person of their rights just because I don’t like something in the same shouldn’t be done to anyone else.if they simply don’t like Krogers don’t shop there. If you don’t like a Ford don’t buy Ford. it’s pretty simple
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 11:29 am
Not exactly. It’s the US and you are free to speak your mind but you do have to watch what you say – this is a private site and as such you are allowed to comment and offer your opinion/opposition at the discretion and pleasure of the publisher and moderators. The previous poster is correct, if you are going to make accusation you should be clear on the repercussion if you make false claims, harass another reader or just generally be an ass.
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:31 am
I responded to no one.
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:34 am
the only thing I can see is this group is in too nit picking games. They would rather nitpick and be distracted by senseless stuff rather than issues of a group of people trying to make a store lose business and on top of it violate Americans constitutional rights. But we can worry about all the little things though. how about we just rip everybody of all their rights. Let’s see how much that works out for them. 🙂
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 11:47 am
No, they think carrying a long gun into a retailers to purchase Tide is a ridiculous and paranoid practice. No one is denying anyone their “rights” –
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:54 am
Although I don’t feel A shot gun if thats what you consider a long gun to be or an assault rifle necessary to go purchase tide. However that is their right. if you go stripping one right the ones we love so much can also be stripped. I’m not sure your views on this but a lot of people forget that what they love can be taken away too. we live in Kentucky where open carry is legal unless it is a federal building so therefore we can pack open. however I choose not to because I feel that makes you a prime target. If a person is truly going to cause harm they’re going to do it whether they conceal the weapon or not. but after reading some of this moms demand action comments it seems as if they want to do away with guns. Not just in Krogers. this is the battle that’s never going to end.
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
They have never stated or indicated they want to remove guns, only that they were looking for sensible solutions. Generally carrying a long gun into a retail establishment, whether it’s McDonald’s or Target serves no purpose other than garner attention and scare children. I read at least one news story a day about some idiot that doesn’t know that his gun is loaded, can’t hang on to it or forgot he had laid it on the kitchen table so his 4 yr-old got a hold of it. These are not responsible gun owners. Practically my entire family are gun owner – my uncle has a federal license and makes custom guns and ammo – not a single one of them would behave in this manner. It is not unreasonable to ask a commercial establishment like Kroger’s to request no open carry in their stores. They’re private property, and
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
like I said I don’t agree that long guns need to go into stores. however it’s the right. I’m aware of the stories but I do not believe that 350 million american should be punished for 1 person mistakes. yes there are daily mistakes but we can also name all the other products as well. but the laws do vary per state and in my state I can open pack unless it’s a federal building. also I would read more articles regarding their intent and also look at their sponsors. because there are sponsors that support this group that want to do away with gun rights.
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 9:03 pm
So you can wander into the state supreme court strapped up huh
I doubt that
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 2:53 pm
Private property operating under a permit. That means it is collective property. They can’t wack you on the head and make you a slave. They can’t allow smoking. There are thousands of things they can’t do that I can do on private property.
You see the difference right?
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
What on earth does that have to do with saying whether guns are allowed on their property? Private property owners have always had the right to say No.
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 3:22 pm
They aren’t true private property. They cannot remove rights, unless they go to members only.
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 7:15 pm
Yes, any private property owner and that includes retailers can prohibit open carry on their property – in all 50 states. Open carry applies to public property. Concealed carry laws vary state to state but all of them risk have a proviso that a license holder failing to leave private property when asked risks their license. Even GA’s carry guns everywhere law does not apply to private property. And yes, stores are private property for the purpose of determining jurisdiction – they are not required to allow you in with your gun even in an open carry region.
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 7:36 pm
That’s just because someone like me hasn’t been asked to leave. Until one of them asks me to leave I can’t sue. See the mad mommies can’t sue for fear, but I can sue for a civil rights violation. The companies know this. Why do you think they won’t ban guns?
The permit they operate under says they will follow all state and federal laws. Any place where it is legal , but banned by commercial policy then becomes responsible. Not just for my safety but also for my rights. There are several court cases that support this. Now will they let it get that far? No they will try to settle out of court.
If it’s me though I won’t settle. This will cost millions in lost legal fees and public reputation. All so when this comes up again there is case precedent.
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 9:01 pm
please feel free to sue… like you said.. u will only be going up against a corporation with a sky scraper full of lawyers and you have millions of dollars to spend
go for it! Lets see if your interpretation of the Constitution is correct .. heh
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 9:07 pm
It’s law. TCP 30.06: Anyone who owns or controls property may orally or in writing, inform a person carrying ….not to mention the pesky “calculated to cause alarm” proviso,.
A business license requirement to obey city, county and state laws does not extend to allowing you to carry a handgun with a license or a long gun onto to their property. If it were illegal to prohibit firearms in retail establishments don’t you think Chipotle’s, Starbucks and Chili’s would have been sued by now. You’re wrong. And ridiculous, exactly the kind of person that should not be trusted with a gun. You attention-whore manner and insistence on forcing others to do as you wish for no purpose other than your right to flash your gun in public do not inspire confidence in your mental health.
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 10:33 pm
Rofl yeah look up Marbury v Madison. It was a law you needed ID to vote. It was law no chl in Chicago. It was a law blacks couldn’t eat at the lunch counter.
Laws that counter the constitution have been getting thrown out left and right. Face it, if the second amendment got strict scrutiny like the first, I could carry machine-guns. I still can by the way. I’m a gun manufacturer.
Are you really scared that someone will shoot you for no reason? Or do you think that they will sh oot you for your charming “personally”? I only ask because the only time in 12 yrs I was shot ,was bird hunting ,by a judge. I’ve had alot of guns pointed at me, and im still here. H3ll in my line of work I shoot nearly daily.
Carla Akins October 11th, 2014 at 6:56 am
The fact that you’ve had numerous guns pointed at you does not surprise me at all.
Margaret Kaufman October 13th, 2014 at 6:26 pm
You do have a very active imagination, don’t you?
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 8:46 pm
My sensei had a saying, “fear requires imagination, imagination requires intelligence, you are to stupid to know when fear may save your life.”
It was ahhh a little more colorful.
However, if anyone here thought they had court precedent to prove me wrong, they would. First chance I get I will sue a business for infringement of my civil rights. So mad mommies keep it up, daddy needs a new gun shop!
Margaret Kaufman October 13th, 2014 at 9:10 pm
You must spend a lot of time alone.
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 9:25 pm
No not at all. I have a beautiful wife with a doctorate in molecular biology. Published twice I might add. I put her through school doing machine work for the oilfield while manufacturing guns, with my firearms and martial training we do just fine. Im currently focusing on the gun shop but will be heading back to school just so I can challenge on constitutional law.
Rofl ands yous thought guns folks was just rednecks!
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 9:28 pm
I do have to admit, the current ruling from the corpus christi district court is great. You get what it means right?
Since proof of identity is an unconstitutional burden, driver’s licenses and gun permits are unconstitutional as well…..bazinga!
Margaret Kaufman October 14th, 2014 at 1:28 am
“First the ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” My Sensei, Mahatma Gandhi
grendal113 October 14th, 2014 at 9:34 am
Well there ya go, you remember what Gandhi said about guns and the British empire….or do you quote him like most people quote the bible?
grendal113 October 14th, 2014 at 9:40 am
So…..where did the gun quotes come from? It was a reference to the India Arms Act of 1878, and it came from a pamphlet written by Gandhi, urging Indians to fight alongside the British in WW I.
“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn.”
Margaret Kaufman October 14th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
Must you shoot down everything!
Carla Akins October 11th, 2014 at 9:15 am
I’ll wait here and see how that works out for you, with your legal degree and all.
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 10:33 am
Guess you’ll be waiting with me then. No one will listen to you mad mommies and throw me out….you have a business?
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 3:53 pm
I hate it when anti-gunners say crap like “They have never stated or indicated they want to remove guns, only that they were looking for sensible solutions.” All one has to do is go to the pages of groups like MomsDemand or EveryTown and you see the word “ban” all over the place.
As for your “sensible solutions” we gun owners have already done that. I can’t think of a single other right that requires a background check to use, can you? Could you imagine the outrage if every time someone wanted to protest they had to submit to a background check? The funny thing is that more people have died from the spoken word then from outright gun violence.
Doubt that? You go and tell me how simply having firearms led to the Holocaust or the Rawanda Genocides. Crap like that always starts first as rhetoric. You want to end gun violence? End the freedom of speech.
Somehow, I don’t see a lot of people getting behind that one.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 4:05 pm
USA number one!
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 3:49 pm
Actually, wrong. Just because something is posted on social media doesn’t vacate the photograph owners rights. Depending on the social network the right belongs either to the person who uploaded the image or to the site itself.
What you are missing, and hilariously so, is that copyright law allows for images to be used for a limited number of functions without having to get approval from the rights holder. One of those uses is news.
Unholy Bacon October 10th, 2014 at 11:53 am
Public space means you don’t need consent to take someone’s picture or use it, save for profit. Sorry, but if you’re so gung-ho about people’s rights, you should at least know them.
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:57 am
actually it does matter because it also plays in the factor what the person’s intent was. That can also vary by state if you don’t believe me call attorney general’s office. obviously this group is out to expose people who want to exercise their constitutional rights. Simply because they do not agree with others who shares the same views as I do. I’m proud to be an American and I’m proud.but hey let them use my picture I’m proud to be an American and I am proud to exercise my constitutional rights.
tiredoftea October 10th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
“…and I am proud to exercise my constitutional rights.” as told to me by the NRA and other gun zealots.
steveafrikaner October 10th, 2014 at 6:40 pm
Gun lovers, actually…………..
Margaret Kaufman October 13th, 2014 at 6:19 pm
Why are gun people always proud to be an American? Like the rest of the country is not? Your proud sounds like Fox and b
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2014 at 5:06 am
Good try but read the last sentence in the post, which I specifically put there for the Open Carry crowd so they don’t DCMA me again (and that’s illegal, by the way)
“All images obtained on social media, thereby making them fair use.”
I exercised my rights.
Hannah Allyse McGary October 10th, 2014 at 11:01 am
I do not feel threatened by people carrying 10 guns into a grocery. I just laugh at the notion.
“goin’ to the grocery. gotta get ma h n k, ma glock, ma springfield, ma derp a derp, and ma AR derp a derp. gonna defend the freedom of grocery shoppers! gonna save the day! gonna shop in the battlefield of kroger! 2ND AMMEANDMEANT!”
I mean. Really. I can’t take these people seriously. They don’t know what a hostile environment is, and they have delusions of grandeur, so. Put 2 and 2 together and you have a bunch of bored, pudgy white people, that obviously have too much money, playing mental Halo in a Kroger. We can’t take these people seriously. They just don’t know any better.
Hannah Allyse McGary October 10th, 2014 at 11:11 am
Look, guys. I know there’s a lot of fighting, but I just want to make something clear.
These people are here to defend us. If the celery were to hop out of its compartment and threaten to trip me, I got Bob Springfield over here with his .45 to just blow that son of a b*** away. If an unruly shopper were to start causing a scene over the 2 for 1 sale ending yesterday, well Bob’ll come along and pick one of his 10 knives and give her the glasgow smile. No manager necessary.
We NEED these people. We all know that US grocery stores are a safe haven for international terrorists, drug cartel leaders, and general psychos. We know that at any moment, a box of potato flakes could explode and potentially injure my family.
So, Bob Springfield, I salute your self-assumed, military-style service to this country. You keep that 1911 on your hip. There are cereal killers afoot.
GabeZ October 10th, 2014 at 11:55 am
Exactly! You never know when “Obummer” and his TYRANNY! will pop out from behind the hot pockets or when Sharia Law will slink out from under a 24 pack of Natural Light. The world is a very scary place with hidden dangers, crooks, turrists and even communist gays lurking in every shadow, waiting to take advantage of the poor old white man (the REAL minority in this country).
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
http://bgladd.com/OpenCarryHarry.jpg
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 9:11 am
Now that’s pretty damn good (and pretty damn accurate, t’boot).
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2014 at 5:02 am
I’m laughing so hard it hurts!
BoiseBoy October 10th, 2014 at 12:39 pm
You know that old saying… “it’s as American as baseball, apple pie, and mass shootings.”
‘Merka!
roy hoco October 10th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
I love shopping at Kroger because I get to shoot out the lights and shoot up the produce section those melons make wonderful targets
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 2:16 pm
I know people caught this on RS but I was reading a Stanford Law Review Article the other day, I googled the right not to open and carry, or right not to carry, and it popped up. Because I’ve been on Kroger FB page to post my two cents, and everything is my rights, my rights, blah, blah. I have known that I as a non carrier have no rights. There is no negative to the 2A. People… Judges, politicians, you and me, businesses, etc. are starting to acknowledge this as a problem. When Heller passed and it became an individual right to keep and bear arms under the auspices it was for hearth and home and that the 2A was still not an unlimited amendment everyone thought in the end common sense would prevail. It of course has been bastardized, as we have and seen that of the Hobby Lobby abomination we saw last year. People have taken this restructuring of the 2A far from what Scalia said he intended, which was really what he intended. So I say we need a new amendment to the 2A a right not to carry. As article points out many rights have them. Yes we can use the 1A, but it’s not direct enough, not anymore. I just don’t know how to get a movement like this going? Do any of you? Thoughts? I think it’s a way forward. It’s a way to allow our chicken Senators to support some sort gun restriction, or at least open some legal doors for those who wish not to carry, or be around guns.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 2:17 pm
I might be full of poop?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 3:16 pm
Open carry means terrorist and mass murderers don’t need to sneak around.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 4:41 pm
you mean the good guys?
dragontech64 October 10th, 2014 at 6:01 pm
Same thing.
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 8:54 pm
they are all good guys with a gun.. until they shoot up the local wal mart
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 3:43 pm
Here it is. The dumbest thing I’ve read all day. You do have a right not to carry and it’s called the Second Amendment. Just because you have it does not mean you MUST use it. You have the right to free speech but if you choose not to protest does that mean you also need a non-First Amendment?
More simply put, what you don’t have, is a Constitutional right to FEEL safe. If you did than we could, Constitutionally, lock away anyone that made someone FEEL safe.
It’s quite simple. If you don’t want to carry then don’t but don’t think that you have the right to dictate the behavior that I engage in. It’s this belief which drives me crazy. The right think they can tell people who they can marry while the left argues they have no right to dictate the lives of other people. Then the left turns around and talks out the other side of their neck and trys to tell people how they should live. How about everyone just get’s off their high horse and stops trying to tell others how to live, hmmm? Isn’t that an idea?
If I open or concealed carry it doesn’t make you any less safe, in fact, studies have shown that open carry laws actually reduces crimes in those areas so open carry actually makes you safer.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 4:31 pm
Read the article it makes perfect sense. The 1A certainly does have a negative component to it. The 2A- would be part of the 2A. And you’re right I don’t have a constitutional right to feel safe. It’s all in how you look at guns. And by you and certain state governments you’re certainly telling me how to live my life and they are by your rules because you all have the right and the guns. I think it’s time for me to have a right. You’re the hypocrite.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 4:40 pm
PSS… What’s really interesting and I didn’t know this. That in some states like OK they made a law mandating businesses have parking lots for people who want to carry guns. Some laws say mandate that businesses allow employees to carry guns or at least lock them in their desk. Two things here. How many times have we seen a disgruntled employee freak out? and I may have thought this Hobby Lobby thing as too much of a negative. Now that we consider Businesses as individuals per the Supremes’ one of those businesses should take this 2a- for a ride.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 7:17 pm
One of the most complete studies of open carry legal gun owners was performed in 2009 in the State of Indiana. The study shows that many open carriers have extremely violent histories, are dangerous people and use their guns to commit violence and intimidate. In just three years, 2007 through 2010, concealed handgun permit holders killed 273 people (1.5 per week), including 9 law enforcement officers. During the same time period, they also committed 17 mass shootings and 25 murder-suicides.
Given these facts, the justification that only “legal gun owners” are granted permits to carry a gun concealed, or carry guns openly is faulty. These “legal gun owners” are legal until they use their guns to commit crimes. Therefore, the notion that concealed carry permit holders and open carriers are not a threat to public safety is simply false
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 2:02 pm
Got a link to that study?
Jones October 12th, 2014 at 9:33 pm
http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm
Jones October 12th, 2014 at 9:40 pm
http://archive.indystar.com/article/20091011/NEWS14/910110365/Should-these-Hoosiers-been-allowed-carry-gun-public-
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:47 am
Thanks…. didn’t see it here. Thanked you upthread.
Jones October 12th, 2014 at 10:15 pm
http://archive.indystar.com/article/20091011/NEWS14/910110365/Should-these-Hoosiers-been-allowed-carry-gun-public-
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:20 am
Thanks for the link.
So…. Indiana has a broken system and you castigate all carriers? You cannot infringe upon the rights of the law abiding due to the actions of criminals. Fix that legal system and put those people in jail.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
Which one’s not allowed?
yogiman October 10th, 2014 at 3:44 pm
He isn’t. He might hit someone over the head with that basket.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 2:58 pm
Joh Stewart on open carry.
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 3:37 pm
Anyone who relies on a comedian for their source of news should not be allowed to take part in the public discourse.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 3:40 pm
It’s not news.
yogiman October 10th, 2014 at 3:43 pm
He’s good for a laugh. He would be hilarious if he knew what he was ‘joking’ about.
Chris Carpenter October 11th, 2014 at 11:08 am
He knows FAR better than you do.
dragontech64 October 10th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
When that comedian is more accurate and more reliable, truthful, than a major “news” media outlet (though calling Fox a news outlet can only be done as sarcasm) then I don’t see an issue with agreeing with the comedian’s news.
Chris Carpenter October 11th, 2014 at 11:07 am
Or, you could go to Fox News and get your news from a talking monkey.
gonedadygone January 8th, 2015 at 7:03 am
82% of the country gets their news from FOX. CNN brings you a traveling cook , Anthony Bourdain and MSNBC features LOCKDOWN !!!! Behind prison walls..
OldLefty January 8th, 2015 at 7:33 am
From where do you get THAT stat??
All polls indicate that the vast majority get their news from local broadcast networks.
Then of course there is the STUDY: Watching Only Fox News Makes You Less Informed Than Watching No News At AllRead more: http://www.businessinsider.com…
As David Frum said, “Republicans have been Fleeced, Exploited And Lied To’ by a Conservative Entertainment Complex”
Although, I do agree with you on, CNN brings you a traveling cook , Anthony Bourdain and MSNBC features LOCKDOWN !!!!
Part of why I quit TV news (what an oxymoron) in 2004.
( I quit smoking in 2006… I don’t know which was more toxic).
gonedadygone January 8th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
Neilsens annual report. It actually said that 82% of Americans that watch news regularly watch FOX news. I will say this. FOX almost always has a “bipartisan” panel. On the liberal side I enjoy Kirsten Powers and Bob Beckle. Both have good sense of humor and add to the conversation rather than argue meaningless BS. On the conservative side I love Megyn Kelly. She does her home work, bumps heads with O’Reilly and usually nails it. And lets face it she is easy on the eyes. I was one of those FOX bashers until I actually watched a few of their programs. It turned out to be fairly informative and the bonus was getting stories not covered else where. I do agree news organizations exploit people but not nearly as extreme as Business Insider would have us believe. You have to have an understanding going into the news before you get anything out of the news. Henry Bloget an editor at Business Insider has had a bone to pick with FOX for some time now so I wouldn’t expect any pleasantries to be exchanged. Congrats on the smoking issue. I hear its quite a battle. I have never tried smoking. I’m somewhat of a fitness freak. My diet is another story I eat all food groups including Twinkies.
OldLefty January 8th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
You would have to reproduce that data because all other reports show that only a small minority get news from cable at all.
In 2013, the cable news audience, by nearly all measures, declined. The combined median prime-time viewership of the three major news channels—CNN, Fox News and MSNBC—dropped 11% to about 3 million, the smallest it has been since 2007.
http://www.journalism.org/2014/03/26/state-of-the-news-media-2014-key-indicators-in-media-and-news/
71% from local TV News
65% from Network TV News
38% from cable TV News
http://www.journalism.org/2013/10/11/how-americans-get-tv-news-at-home/
I think that the only media that qualifies as news are newspapers, and even then you have to factcheck.
eg; read the CBO report, or the polls instead of allowing them to feed you the headlines which are often misleading.
Meanwhile cable is preferred by conservatives and Fox, in my opinion is simply a right wing propaganda machine.
With Fox;
Ran a poll which ACTUALLY showed that 61% of Americans OPPOSE REDUCING collective bargaining
rights of government workers;
Fox switched it to;
61% of Americans FAVOR REDUCING collective bargaining rights of government workers.
They used 4 year old footage ,(From before the Native American history Museum) and passed it off as from THEIR Tea party rally.
Passed off footage from THEIR earlier bigger rally, as Michelle Bachmann’s rally
Passed off footage of “union thugs” from PALM TREE lined streets in Wisconsin.
Putting (D) after Mark Foley and Mark Sanford, and John Kasich.
Bill Sammon, a Fox News vice president and Washington managing editor, who is a former Washington Times reporter sent the staff a memo….
“Please use the term ‘government-run health insurance,’ or, when brevity is a concern, ‘government option,’ whenever possible,” the memo said.
That is false and meant to mislead.
Memo from FNC Senior VP John Moody the day after the 2006 election:
“The elections and Rumsfeld’s resignation were a major event, but not the end of the world. The
war on terror goes on without interruption. Jennifer Griffin sent in info on Hamas’ call for attacks on American interests. And let’s be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi insurgents, who must be thrilled at the prospect of a Dem-controlled congress.”
Memo
“And be on the lookout for statements from the Iraqi insurgents, who must be thrilled
at the prospect of a Dem-controlled Congress.”
That sounds more like the propaganda arm of a political party.
Lastly, popularity among any group just show they are pandering to that group.
tracey marie January 8th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
you were always a fox slop watcher and lover…your choice of an inflammatory and racist avatar and your mysogynist comments show what you are…nothing fair, honest or intelligent about you
gonedadygone January 8th, 2015 at 9:12 pm
Not true cup cake. But if you insist. Nothing racist about my avitar. I am 100% anti Fat Al Sharpton. I’ll bet you support Fat Al don’t you ? Racist c(‘)nt. He should be shinned alive for the crimes and racist acts he has committed. Ever here of Poughkeepsie NY ? Tawana Brawley ? How about Menachem Schneersome ? The list is endless… On the “mysogynist front there are only two women I hate. Hillary and Pelosi. Two more criminals that need to be skinned alive and fed to Fat Al Sharpton..
tracey marie January 8th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
your racist list inplies he created the situations…I stand by my assessment of what you are
hardoug October 10th, 2014 at 3:27 pm
The issue as I understand it is the act of open carry of a firearm, if its a lawful act or not would depend on what state you live in. I have had many discussions with those who carry a firearm and believe there are 3 types/kinds of carriers and am curious of why the other side says open carry is offensive/dangerous? My intention is not to offend anyone just a civil exchange of information and thoughts.
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 3:37 pm
The anti-gunners hate open carry simply because they are terrified of guns and what those guns would do in their own hands. They doubt their own ability to safely own and operate such a machine and as such project their own inadequacies on others. Also, these are the people who believe that only the government should have guns and that if their own lives were in jeopardy they would be able to “rationalize” with the criminal
dragontech64 October 10th, 2014 at 5:57 pm
It isn’t the gun that is the issue, but a well earned lack of trust in the asshole carrying it. We cannot tell, when you come into a store if you are an open carry wingnut, or a psychopath about to shoot up the place. And in something like this, being wrong can be fatal, and that is just not acceptable. IF I were carrying a gun (concealed, not open, since open just screams dickhead) and someone came into a store with an AR-15, I’d be more likely to just shoot him to be sure he ISN’T a psychopath about to shoot up the place. (And yes, I do own guns and do shoot.)
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
Not all of us, sonny. Some of us are just worried about the lackwits openly carrying. From your comment, I’d say you qualify as someone to worry about.
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
So…concealed carry is just fine then.
Thanks.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
Firstly, be honest. I am sure you are looking for someone to flip, it’s what we all want to do. Well not entirely sometimes I prefer to go for the throat, never very well mind you. The handsome devil below me is wrong about this anti-gun person but that is his prerogative. This is not a black and white issue. It is one that will not be won in it’s entirety.
hardoug October 10th, 2014 at 5:06 pm
Honestly no I’m not looking to flip anyone, I honestly just don’t get it, for me both sides are equally wrong. I mean is there no middle ground and if in fact there is such a place how can anyone get there without knowledge of each position.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 5:38 pm
There is a middle ground. I’m waiting to see what happens during this election cycle. My first concern about O/C was Georgia and it’s new law, carry anywhere and how it would effect the voting. They had already re-districted. So after GA, I kept aware of what was going on in the news, NYT’s had their Gun Death column once a week, now discontinued, etc. I watched the judicial hearings regarding the Lori Jackson Blumenthal Bill and thought gun people can’t oppose this. Well, I knew they could since the Sheriff’s in CO. said they weren’t going to put info into the system regarding abusive people with guns. Anyway I find especially O/C a lazy way to obtain a permit, or no permit, costs very little. I think it creates an environment of hostility. Children are being taught gun drills at school, what message does O/C give them? Accidents have happened, I think one accident/death is one too many. I personally don’t feel safer around guns, I’ve had my own experiences with them. I really like this not so new idea but new to me the 2A-. I want a distinct right not to carry, where I can have some legal leverage if ever I’m put in a place. I’d like to see the Blumenthal Bill come through and passed. I think there should be some real ramification for people who serve as law enforcement who do not do their jobs. I think their Unions need to be vetted again. I think if lawmakers are so willing to put citizens lives on the line we need to re-think about government spaces being safe houses. And we need to require just as much from a gun carrier/license as we do for driver’s licenses, plus insurance. How’s that.
hardoug October 10th, 2014 at 6:57 pm
I do agree this voting cycle will be interesting,CT is another to watch I’m interested to see what happens in CT and also GA,CO.
I am not familiar with 2A- would it be an addition to the 2A? Looking thru the eyes of a observer I can see the appearance of hostility. So basically you feel firearms are unsafe in general and open carry portrays a aggressive image?
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 8:45 pm
I’m more worried about using guns as intimidation in GA. Guns only have to be kept 150 ft. away from polling places. And excuse me for this but the South hasn’t always been so good at voting rights. People were scared by one Black Panther in 2014, and I get that. I can also get why he was pissed. Thank god the Supremes stepped in today for Wis. they be playing with ballots up there for sure. O/C doesn’t just portray a negative image. It’s about a woman who died across the street by a ricochet bullet from some guy coming out of a bar/restaurant who accidentally shot a bullet thru his hand.
hardoug October 11th, 2014 at 3:13 pm
Thanks… I will admit usually I don’t have a civil exchange or even get this far well before now name calling begins and obviously there is no exchange thanks again.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:46 am
Just to let you know the other side of the street.
Open carry has been legal for decades in Virginia. It used to be mandatory in any restaurant that served alcohol. Mandatory. I did it myself. I still OC when its hot. Not often, but sometimes.
OC is seen frequently in Virginia. No problems. We can carry in the City Hall and the Capitol buildings, except for the actual chamber. I’ve open and concealed carried in both places.
No one cares.
The long gun fiasco was a stunt pulled by people hoping to get Texas to review their idiotic no OC of pistols.
One thing about having an OC law is that if you reveal your concealed carry by accident, you have no legal problems. Some places will arrest you for merely printing.
And through all of this…no voting problems.
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 3:35 pm
Yup. This is how the pro-gun community responds. With level headed responses and not a drop of threatening violence. Too bad you can’t say the same about the anti-gun side. Go read some comments from @memesdemand (Erma Gertrude Childs). She has openly advocated for the government sanctioned rounding up and execution of legal gun owners and depriving legal gun owners of their Constitutional rights to vote. She also suggests that anti-gunners call the police whenever they see someone exercising their rights and reporting a crime in progress. Never mind the fact that it is a felony to knowingly give a false report to the police. This cowardly puke also makes fun of suicide victims and routinely insists that law abiding gun owners do not have any rights.
In short, she, like most other anti-gunners, are nothing but fascist scum who would willingly execute anyone who thinks differently than they do.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 3:47 pm
That sounded level headed./s
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 4:53 pm
Fascism – “Martial virtues are to be celebrated, while liberal and democratic are disparaged.” Webster’s Dictionary. Does this sound like the anti-gunners you all know? Hell we’re your libtards man.
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 1:59 pm
You forgot the part where the individual is subservient to the state. So…yes..that does sound like the anti-gunners I know.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 11:42 am
We are hardly subservient to the state. We are peaceful people. We’re not the one’s going to parade’s with great big guns hanging off our backs so every child gets to see them. You don’t know if that child has seen daddy pointing a gun at mommy do you? or how about those school drills. or how about that kid just enjoying a parade without a goddamn gun their face. I’m talking about the OCT freaks. And yes I mean CJ Grisham and band of Losers.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
You anti-gunners want US to be subservient to the state by infringing upon our rights. That is the fascist part. You want to use the power of the state, their power of the gun, to infringe upon our rights and the rights of all citizens.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 5:54 pm
Quit the bullshit. The 2A is not without limits firstly. Fascism is something that you should really read about.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 6:13 pm
I know all about fascism. The term came up describing an anti-gunner that has no problem advocating the rounding up of people that disagree with her under force of law.
Per my statement about subservience to the state, her position is fascistic.
Nor did I say that the 2nd is without limits. That is a straw argument.
However, the limits are being defined since the 2nd has only recently been incorporated to the states.
We have an inalienable right to keep and bear arms as a civil liberty. It is protected by the Constitution. It does not derive from the Constitution. It exists outside of the Constitution. The 2nd is a limit on government power.
As written, please point out the legal authority for a law that infringes upon the right to keep and bear arms.
Right now, the actual limits caused by real life politics, are being determined.
I’m curious. What limits to the 2nd do you feel exist? How about the other civil liberties?
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 8:16 pm
My right not Keep and Bear Arms for defense and protection. The !9th seems to be struggling as of late. Both of which should be guarded by our Federal Government.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 8:21 pm
You do have a right not to keep and bear arms. There are no provisions to force you to own arms. This right is not a limit to the 2nd. The right to keep and bear arms harms no one.
You do not have a right to shoot. There are strict laws about that and you are accountable for every shot.
The 9th has no problem about your right NOT to have a weapon….except for the precedent set by ACA on forcing third party purchases for the good of society.
Also, be aware, if you WERE part of the organized militia, you would be expected to supply your own firearm.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 9:06 pm
I do have a right not really. it’s not protected but I think it’s high time it is for real. I have no idea about your shoot talk because I see what happens in cases. Much has to do about race and class. All the reading I have done I have never heard about any repercussion talk. If we are talking forensic science then maybe. You’re right to keep and bear arms usurps mine because I have no right. This is why I will be pushing for my Anti Right. And ask my Senators to stand with me because these are the United States of America. I should have a right to travel and privilege to roam without harm and prejudges in 2014.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 11:52 pm
Please point out where you can be forced to buy a firearm.
My right to keep and bear arms is the same as your right to keep and bear arms. I also have the right to not own weapons.
You have the right to travel without harm. The right to keep and bear arms harms no one.
Margaret Kaufman October 13th, 2014 at 6:01 pm
Really?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
Stewart on OC.
Chinese Democracy October 12th, 2014 at 3:20 am
truck nuts! havent seen those since I lived in Houston. Im ok with not ever seeing them again lol
I made an exception though that picture is worth a thousand words
dragontech64 October 10th, 2014 at 5:52 pm
When some dickhead comes into a store with their phallic replacement out, we cannot tell if they are the proverbial “good guy with a gun” or a psychopath about to start shooting.
When you have two seconds to choose between psychopath about to shoot, or psychopath trying to bully people into accepting his asinine interpretation of the Second Amendment, you can’t wait around for them to show which type of psychopath they are. Just leave your purchases and GET OUT of that store, with your family, by any route, any means possible, as fast as possible.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 6:16 pm
Or shoot them../s
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 10:41 pm
Rofl please do…..ill be the guy pointing and laughing. Would you wet yourself? It will give your act the much needed realism. Hey maybe you could even call 911 and lie like that Richie guy in Ohio….you know the one? He’s going to prison.
tracey marie October 10th, 2014 at 10:56 pm
the white supremacist lied about a black guy…completely diffrent and you know it
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 11:11 pm
Oh? So it’s ok to get an open carrier killed but not a black guy? No don’t see a difference. …care to explain?
tracey marie October 10th, 2014 at 11:15 pm
twist, spin and show your hood
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 10:30 am
What are you talking about? They deleted my comment. Then I get told they guy who called the cops was a supremacist so you know thats ok.
Who is the coward that deleted my comment!
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2014 at 10:35 am
I deleted your comment. This is private property, so you need to abide by the rules.
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 10:49 am
What rule did I break?
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 1:58 pm
You probably injected reality into the conversation.
grendal113 October 12th, 2014 at 2:54 pm
Lol yeah I pointed out calling 911 will get you prison time like Richie. Oh and if they ran out I would follow so I could point and laugh.
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 10:28 am
Wth? Why was my comment deleted?
steveafrikaner October 10th, 2014 at 6:31 pm
Mom’s…. got the publicity they wanted, Kroger customers get to carry. Every one is happy, except the “progressive” who penned the article. That is a plus, and I am sure Kroger will surely miss his dollars! Not……………..
tree207 October 10th, 2014 at 7:09 pm
Aw Geez, just so many folks helping me to remember the years of my youth. But still I miss the staccato of automatic small arms fire, the resonance of the air thump as the mortar shell leaves the tube, the sight of red rain from Puff the Magic Dragon at night, the ripping silk of the 8inch howitzer as the shell lofts overhead, the pop and glare burst of the flare and sharp face slapping blast of the claymore.
When do we get to wear steel pots and flak jackets. Come on, come on, why we could all meet down at the muddy bog in the rain and have a lunch of lima beans and ham straight out of the can, unless someone wants to use some of their C4 for food warming fuel.
This Country is Great, let me tell you. You Think Wal Mart will change their name to PX?
tree207 October 10th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
Don’t worry folks, the guvmint won’t let me own a firearm.
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 10:37 pm
Why? They think you’re a crazy vet? I remember it as the BX. Base exchange. ..Vietnam?
tree207 October 12th, 2014 at 3:57 pm
yes. two tours. Post or Base exchange. It was just called the PX where I was, other places the BX.
When we where moved out of the Central Highlands to the Coast, we were stripped of weapons and ammunition and had to stand guard with empty weapons and no ammo.
Why? Well some bright soul at a think tank crunched numbers
tree207 October 12th, 2014 at 4:02 pm
that proved that more soldiers would be killed/injured by accidental discharge of firearms than killed/injured by hostile fire at the new positions the Army was deploying to, that is the new positions along the coast and out of the interior of the country of Vietnam.
And of course, the weird political pressures created a huge pressure to limit risk.
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
And all that unnecessary gun handling was a major cause of negligent discharges.
Sharon Cornett October 11th, 2014 at 2:00 am
I never spent that much at Fred Meyer, but they’re not getting another penny from me until they take a stand against these nutcases.
Guest October 11th, 2014 at 8:20 am
So how about hank?
Carla Akins October 11th, 2014 at 8:58 am
ANd you’ll notice the rest of the community not only disagrees with him but actively engage him into changing his position. There are extremists on all sides of every issue.
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2014 at 9:30 am
I have sooo many screen shots on several computers. Wanna trade?
Rob October 11th, 2014 at 8:30 am
Yeah, and Americans have just as many screenshots from you unstable nazis wishing death and destruction on gun owners by gun violence, while crusading against guns because of gun violence.
At least Americans aren’t raging hypocrites. Why are you in this country again?
OldLefty October 11th, 2014 at 11:46 am
At least Americans aren’t raging hypocrites. Why are you in this country again?
__________
So YOU get to decide who are “Americans”, and which of your fellow Americans should be in this country?
And YOU are calling OTHER people “Nazis”?
James Singer October 11th, 2014 at 8:34 am
Moms Demand Action are only upset because Kroger and others are NOT caving in to THEIR Extremism.
OldLefty October 11th, 2014 at 8:54 am
Of course!
Kroger’s should only cave into the extremism of the NRA!
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 1:55 pm
The NRA is asking them to merely follow state law.
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2014 at 9:25 am
Oh no, a picture of your firearms. I am so askeered.
Carla Akins October 11th, 2014 at 1:02 pm
Is this a thing? To what end?
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
I had one of these open carry advocates email a picture of his firearm. I was so askeered the picture would start shooting me.
Carla Akins October 11th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
Virtual brandishing? Bwahaha.
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2014 at 1:46 pm
Totally freaked me out. I barricaded the doors in case the picture opened fire on me.
Chinese Democracy October 12th, 2014 at 3:18 am
well it could have been worse… IF you know what I mean
Chris Carpenter October 11th, 2014 at 11:04 am
Yeah, when they get “extreme” you might get annoyed by their voices. When NRA members get “extreme” you either go to the hospital or you die. I’ll take their “extreme” over the NRA members.
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
Of course you have evidence to back up that statement, right?
GabeZ October 11th, 2014 at 11:56 am
Wow, what a BIG MAN!
Jones October 11th, 2014 at 4:13 pm
Do those vibrate.
Chinese Democracy October 12th, 2014 at 3:17 am
thats one way to look at it.. and then there is the sane rational way
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
Why is following state laws and not wanting to get into politics an extreme position? Please point out the past shootings in Krogers or any other place that allows carry..open or concealed.
Chinese Democracy October 12th, 2014 at 8:11 pm
Wal mart las vegas…. Wal mart allows concealed carry
a shopper in wal mart confronted 2 people with guns with his own gun and they shot him dead.
Google is your friend … try it
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:39 am
Sorry, I see that I phrased that poorly.
Please point out past shooting in Krogers or any other place that allows carry, open or concealed …by the carrier.
Of course, I can find google results showing where lawful carriers shot the bad guys….. in Krogers.
Fredric_Alan_Maxwell October 11th, 2014 at 8:41 am
Caving in to Kroger’s extremism? Kroger’s extremism? Not wanting guns, which tend to go off, carried around kids and other people worried about getting shot? Oh, and the racists posts here says it all.
OldLefty October 11th, 2014 at 9:02 am
Somewhere (?) I heard the idea that if you are in a restaurant, and someone comes in, (open carrying) should you walk out, not in a huff to “make a statement”, but as a precaution to get your family out before it becomes another mass shooting?
Too bad about the bill, perhaps you can go after the gun person, as they created the dangerous situation or the perception of a dangerous situation.
This is how the right gets THEIR cases into court.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:38 am
So far the only posts concerning race have been from the CONTROL side.
Carla Akins October 11th, 2014 at 12:58 pm
Thank you for such a well written and reasoned comment. On a side note; I will be adding lackwit to my vocabulary.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
Thank you for your kind assessment of my comment, and yeah… I’m kinda fond of “lackwit.”
hardoug October 11th, 2014 at 3:52 pm
Chuck I mean not to offend, I am 50 years of age and a Marine Corps vet. I have been hunted, shot at, threatened with my life, witnessed shoot out’s and have been in the presence of death more times than I care to remember all before I joined the Marines at age 18. I grew up in the bad section of town, every state has there bad sections of town. You fortunately have not have had this experience I envy that, however my envy cannot dismiss reality. Please don’t misunderstand me I’m not saying I’m right and your wrong, my point is every one of us is different we all come different walks of life with different experiences. My impression is you don’t feel it necessary for anyone to arm themselves and I would agree if I have lived your life unfortunately for me I have not. There must be some middle ground for all of us, we all live on the same earth the finger pointing, name calling for me is unproductive for either side.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 5:08 pm
No offense taken. I grew up in the ’40s and ’50s on a farm five miles outside a little village in Northeast Ohio. Since then I’ve worked in good places and bad, and lived in the same. But as I said, no one has ever walked into a store I was shopping sporting a gun on display. I had one night of getting shot at in South Korea in 1963, and that satisfied my curiosity on the matter. One night was enough. My point throughout, aside from smacking the truly ignorant, has been that having you in the store if my experience changes and a bad guy with a gun shows up is not likely to be protective. In fact, I’m likely to get shot by accident in that scenario.
Shameless plug – I wrote a book (available at Amazon) about my early life – “The Old Man and Me.” You’d probably enjoy it. Sequel on the way.
MontieR October 11th, 2014 at 10:10 pm
If that is what you choose to believe that is sad. For the record ALL of these possible scenarios were bullets are sprayed and bystanders get shot , the police ARE involved I have been unable to find ONE instance where an armed citizen was defending him/her self and bystanders were shot. Whereas almost every day you can find instanced where armed citizens have defended themselves and no weapon was even fired and if shots were fired 90% of the time the CRIMINAL was injured or killed. Your logic is flawed by anti gun lies and distortions and their pathologic FEAR of guns.
Obewon October 11th, 2014 at 10:40 pm
Google has 700,000 results for you ‘armed citizen defense self where bystanders were shot Violence Policy center’
1. Paper Targets Don’t Shoot Back https://www.vpc.org/studies/uninthree.htm
2. Pro-Handgun Experts Prove That Handguns Are a Dangerous Choice for Self-Defense http://www.vpc.org/studies/uninexec.htm
Strike 3. US guns shoot 22-43 more friends and family than any intruder. Australia’s Gun ban & buybacks reduced homicide and suicide rates by 2/3: Firearm homicide rate fell by 59%, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65%, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law’s effectiveness. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/08/02/did-gun-control-work-in-australia/
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 1:52 pm
Using the VPC for anything related to gun statistics is like using a politician for honest statements.
The VPC lies. They even invented the fake term “assault weapon” to confuse and scare people.
Obewon October 12th, 2014 at 4:29 pm
I quoted U.S. FBI/CDC stats cited by VPC also proving why U.S. gun owner households dropped from 1970’s 50% to 32% today. It’s you gun slave paranoids who shoot 22-43 times more friends & family than any intruder-CDC/FBI on Gun owner Darwinism!
Plus Australia’s gun registration with Buybacks 2/3 drop in guns reduction in all of their homicides, gun-crimes & overall suicides proves less guns always save more lives! USA’s most guns per capita states have the highest gun deaths per person!
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 5:36 pm
The stats cited by VPC are incorrect if they are from the FBI/CDC about households. That comes from the census. And based upon population growth and the changes in households…..you still get an 8 million owner increase. And that is with increased gun control in the growing cities of the 1980’/90’s.
According to the Sydney Herald, gun ownership has returned to previous levels of ownership in Australia. Must not be the guns. Btw…the perception of less guns in Australia has emboldened their criminals, and thus, their violent crime rate has shot up.
Politifact is a known leftist apologist.
My own Assault weapon ban? That was by Clinton. And Reagan was NOT a second amendment supporter. That reality is one of his failings. Regardless, that “ban” actually only banned cosmetic options and did nothing for crime. They could only ban cosmetic options because the term “assault weapon” is an invented term that describes no actual rifle. The “definition” changes with the politician describing it. There is no universal description…as was demonstrated by Feinstein changing it to fit her bill trying to ban and confiscate protected arms.
And really… your linking to a Politifact article on Rush Limbaugh to talk about Obama’s “promises” and gun control. That’s just sad.
Obewon October 12th, 2014 at 6:25 pm
You’re too nutty, but very funny! VPC links to cited FBI/CDC cited facts. Here’s GHW Bush’s 1995 letter of resignation as a Life Member of the NRA because of ‘Crazy Wayne’ “LaPierre:”
I was outraged when, even in the wake of the Oklahoma City tragedy, Mr. Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of N.R.A., defended his attack on federal agents as “jack-booted thugs.” To attack Secret Service agents or A.T.F. people or any government law enforcement people as “wearing Nazi bucket helmets and black storm trooper uniforms” wanting to “attack law abiding citizens” is a vicious slander on good people. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/bushnra.asp#GD5ebHGDEYXzgdzv.99
Did you buy Glenn Beck’s vacuum packed (DOA) seeds, Limbaugh & jihadi Alex Jones touted ‘Buy Gold’ at $1,800/oz?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:37 am
GHWB didn’t support the AWB. He protested La Pierre’s description of the gun running organization known as the ATF.
Politifact is “right leaning” only in the minds of complete and utter statists.
I will correct one error on my part. Assault weapon was defined by Josh Sugarmann, not Horwitz, of the VPC.
His statement: Assault weapons—just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms—are a new topic. The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.
In other words, he lied. He made the term up. There is nothing different from an AR platform to any other semi-auto rifle.
Yes…. the Aussies did lose their guns to confiscation. They have the numbers back. And crime is still low. Its not the guns. Your link even says that. Australia’s crime murder rate was low to begin with.
Obewon October 13th, 2014 at 1:12 am
“Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and I all supported a ban on these formidable firearms, and one was finally passed in 1994.”-JIMMY CARTER
Published: April 26, 2009 Op-Ed http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/opinion/27Carter.html
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 1:21 am
Jimmy Carter …. got a link to Bush saying that? We already know that Clinton and Reagan did. Reagan was not the gun rights guy that he pretended to be. One of his few failings.
Carter has been known to…pad…his sayings.
Obewon October 13th, 2014 at 1:27 am
I linked text & on the record Video for you too! Good Luck Debunking POTUS Carter Nuclear Engineering Ph.D!
(This is not some Limbaughtomized fool whose Mom said ‘Rusty failed at everything during his one semester at college, even ballroom dancing’-Rush Limbaugh’s Mom Confirmed to me by his brother & Atty David Limbaugh.) BTW> -the federal ban on semiautomatic assault weapons will have expired and once again these weapons will begin to flood our communities and threaten our officers.
First passed in 1994, the assault weapons ban required domestic gun manufacturers to stop production of semiautomatic assault weapons and ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds except for military or police use. Imports of assault weapons not already banned by administrative action under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush were also halted.
Since the law was enacted, the ban has proven remarkably effective in reducing the number of crimes involving assault weapons. Since 1994 the proportion of assault weapons traced to crimes has fallen by a dramatic 66%. Public opinion polls continue to prove that more than 75% of the public supports a reauthorization of the current ban. http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&article_id=384
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 1:42 am
“Since the law was enacted, the ban has proven remarkably effective in reducing the number of crimes involving assault weapons. Since 1994 the proportion of assault weapons traced to crimes has fallen by a dramatic 66 percent”
Complete and utter BS.
You do realize that police chiefs are notorious for being gun control people….right.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/16/16549416-was-the-last-assault-weapons-ban-effective
According to the official NIJ assessment:
The share of gun crimes involving AWs declined by 17
percent to 72 percent for the locations observed in this study
(Baltimore, Miami, Milwaukee, Boston, St. Louis, and Anchorage) during all or some of the 1995-2003 post-ban period. This is consistent with patterns found in national data on guns recovered by police and reported to ATF.
However, in the jurisdictions studied, the decline in AW use was offset throughout at least the late 1990s by steady or rising use of other guns equipped with LCMs. The failure to reduce LCM use has likely been due to the immense stock that was in place prior to the ban as well as imports, the report found.
The few available studies do, however, suggest that attacks with AWs and other semiautomatics equipped with LCMs result in more shots fired, more people hit, and more wounds per victim than do attacks with other firearms.
The ban didn’t do a thing because there were still a couple of million “assault weapons” in private hands. Even the Washington Post had to state that there was no noticiable effect.
Obewon October 13th, 2014 at 4:12 pm
Your ‘opinions’ echoed by PA University NIJ were debunked above long ago by CDC/FBI current data of rising 32,000+ U.S. annual gun deaths plus another 70,000 shot each year costing taxpayers up to $150 Billion+ each year for gun paranoia. Many states with the Federal government ban AWB’s because of the mass murder capability and deaths inflicted. Get a slingshot.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 5:28 pm
Still waiting on these supposed links to the CDC and FBI.
There were 8855 “gun murders in 2012.
The CDC estimates that, at minimum, about 108,000 people protect themselves yearly with defensive gun uses. But, you wouldn’t mind if they couldn’t defend themselves, wouldn’t you?
Your 32,000 includes suicides. Guns do not increase the suicide rate. And justified homicides.
Many states ban AWB’s? Name one that is a successful ban. They ban cosmetics. Even Connecticut banned “Assault weapons.” Even California allows California compliant ARs.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 1:45 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/24/the-last-assault-weapons-ban-didnt-work-will-the-new-one-be-different/
Didn’t work. So they wanted to try the same thing, only harder.
Obewon October 13th, 2014 at 2:17 am
“Video” linked from both 2000 and 2004 Presidential debates as linked works just fine. Here again is the embedded link http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/george-bush-pushed-gun-background-checks-in-2000-2004-debate
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 3:01 am
Thanks…You mentioned his father before.
yes…. the moderate GWB did say that he would sign it if passed. Notice…Congress did not. It let it fade away because they knew that gun control was unpopular and the AWB was useless. That allowed GWB to have cover and play the moderate.
I didn’t see it mentioned in the first debate. Just ol’ George being the moderate on gun rights….saying all the right things so the gun phobes wouldn’t get too scared.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 9:39 pm
Sugarman popularized the term, but here is where it originated. You research better than most, but I am finding you seem to stop at the first layer:
In 1985, Art Agnos introduced a bill in the California State Assembly seeking to place restrictions on semi-automatic firearms capable of using detachable magazines of 20 rounds or more.[26] In his bill, AB 1509, these guns were categorized as “assault firearms”.[26] Speaking to the Assembly Public Safety Committee, Agnos said, “The only use for assault weapons is to shoot people.”[27] The measure did not pass when it came up for a vote.[26]Otherwise, the use of the term “assault weapon” was limited to naming certain minor military weapons systems, for example, the Rifleman’s Assault Weapon, an American grenade launcher developed in 1977 for use with theM16 assault rifle[28] or the SMAW in 1984.[29]
Popularization of the term “assault weapon” is attributed by many to the 1988 book “Assault Weapons and Accessories in America”, written by gun-control activist Josh Sugarmann, and to subsequent public reaction to the January 1989 Cleveland School massacre in Stockton, CA.[12]
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 11:44 pm
As I said…. “assault weapon” as used to describe semi-auto rifles was developed by Josh Sugarmann.
The previous uses were for military weapons other than the rifle, such as a grenade launcher.
He even admits that he used it to confuse voters.
I didn’t stop at the first layer. I named the appropriate author of the term for its use to describe a weapon fraudulently.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 10:54 pm
Read my post, it was developed in Art Angus’s bill BEFORE Sugarman’s book. You don’t like facts at all, do you?
cargosquid October 15th, 2014 at 1:02 am
“assault firearms”
Read it. Different term.
Josh Sugarmann uses “assault weapon”, the popular term bing bandied about now. He used THAT phrase and admits to inventing it to confuse matters. If someone else used a similar term prior to Sugarmann’s use, fine. But its not that term.
Doesn’t take away that the term was used by Sugarmann to confuse people.
But let’s take a look at Agnos’ bill and terminology.
He too is using the term to scare people. An “assault firearm” is not functionally different than any other semi-auto rifle. He’s doing the same dishonest thing that Sugarmann is doing.
Either way, these rifles are protected under the 2nd amendment.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 16th, 2014 at 3:12 am
I did read it and the first time it was used in the bill was “assault weapon” The term “assault firearm” was coined for the military weapons
Margie Bateman Osgood October 16th, 2014 at 3:22 am
And if you really want to get nit picky:
The Guns and Ammo article predates Agnos and Sugarman BOTH
In 1982, Guns & Ammo published a book titled Assault Rifles, advertising “Complete Data On The Best Semi-Automatics.”[1] In 1988 Guns & Ammo handgun expert Jan Libourel defined an “assault pistol” simply as, “A high-capacity semi-automatic firearm styled like a submachine gun but having a pistol-length barrel and lacking a buttstock.”[2]
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 10:30 am
By the way… Just read your links. Those “studies” are merely opinion pieces by an anti-rights group to bolster their positions.
The best, the absolute BEST that can be said about those articles are that they are filled with inaccuracies and spin.
And there were no FBI/CDC links.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 9:29 pm
You do know the VPC does more for gun policy and is a non-profit group that advocates. That is what they do, they are very serious about their studies and do much research, if it is theirs, it is certainly NOT an opinion piece
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 9:32 pm
ANd here are the experts that helped them prove their study, all pro-gun: http://www.vpc.org/studies/uninapa.htm
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 11:45 pm
I do know that the VPC works to develop gun policy. It seeks to infringe on the rights of Americans, has sought gun bans and confiscations, and been caught in spinning data so hard it is tantamount to lying. And Josh Sugarmann is a known liar.
Larry October 12th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
Chuck, I found you getting verbally attacked in the United airlines article and was for the “other guy” until the racist terms got thrown around then followed your link. Even though I disagree with some of your beliefs your shameless plug worked (kindle edition only). Thanks for providing opposing but very well thought out and spoken opinions/facts.
Chuck Larlham October 12th, 2014 at 10:39 pm
Thank you, Larry. I’m out of this thread (except for this response). Glad the plug worked. Hope you enjoy the book.
Mark McCauley October 11th, 2014 at 4:21 pm
This article is the best case for increased funding for public schools I’ve seen yet…..I’m seriously surprised that any of these paranoid grocery-store open carry freaks can even use a computer.
grendal113 October 12th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
Rofl and we are surprised that all of your Priuses don’t smell like pee.
Mark McCauley October 13th, 2014 at 11:55 am
If ANYTHING smells like pee, it’s the pants of those so skeert they can’t go out in public without carrying a gun.
atunionbob October 11th, 2014 at 5:55 pm
I pledge to no longer shop and any Kroger, Bakers, King Supers or any other Kroger chain owned stores until they stop allowing open carry in their stores.
MontieR October 11th, 2014 at 10:02 pm
Good we won’t have to deal with your winy ass wile we go about our business.
Margaret Kaufman October 13th, 2014 at 5:36 pm
Why are you here?
Beau West October 11th, 2014 at 7:30 pm
You are ALWAYS reading about some lady getting raped and/or beaten up at Krogers!!Seems like it’s on the news every day or so. Must be a dangerous place.
Obewon October 11th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
Exactly! That’s why many shoppers are going to safer stores to shop. Always boycott Kroger & Wal*Mart. Running List of 2014 Walmart Shootings! http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/p/running-list-of-2014-walmart-shootings.html
Chinese Democracy October 12th, 2014 at 3:14 am
just the lighting in wal mart sends me running. Its a very odd color of blue
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
“Of course we all know what happens if a black man walks into Kroger with a loaded gun”
by Chinese Democracy
I don’t. What would happen?
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 2:06 pm
The long gun open carry movement is a response to Texas’ law against the open carry of pistols.
Moms Demanding…. are using this fake problem to generate publicity and money.
The stores, like Panera Bread, are giving them the statement that they will “request” that their customers not bring in guns.
The Moms think that this is victory and claim it as such…..while nothing actually changed.
There is a miniscule chance of long gun carry in ANY business. But if the gun control organizations want to waste their time and money on this…..
Go for it.
Obewon October 12th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
USA’s still rising 32,163 gun deaths in 2011 are the most per capita of any developed nation. More U.S. kids are killed by guns than cancer. U.S. Gun deaths exceed traffic deaths by 2015. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html OCT loons prove why U.S. guns should be registered with universal background checks on all guns & ammo purchases as favored by 89% of NRA Households and as SCOTUS D.C. Heller decision requires annually:)
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 5:25 pm
Your post is a perfect example of spin.
There were 8855 “gun murders” in the US in 2012. There are approx 110 million gun owners. Thus, 99.9997% of gun owners were lawful. Your lie about the NRA households is more evidence of typical behavior of the gun control side. There is no way to poll the NRA membership. And there most certainly isn’t any polling on background checks for ammo purchases.
As for the Heller decision….go read it again. There is nothing in the decision mandating any such thing. DC may require it…but that was not part of the Heller case.
Please get back to us when you are trying to be honest.
Obewon October 12th, 2014 at 7:08 pm
You’re spinning not I. SCOTUS D.C. Heller requires that Special Agent Heller ‘to keep his gun AT Home’ must annually meet local gun registration laws, pay fees & pass background checks yearly. Otherwise no guns are allowed at home for any D.C. resident.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 12:26 am
You really don’t get it do you.
Heller requires no such thing. They merely judged the gun ban. Heller, himself, did not contest the registration, so it was not considered in the case. Scalia’s are considered dicta and are not binding.
Yes… we understand that you pad the “gun deaths” by including suicide and justifiable shootings.
None of your statistics matters one whit, however.
You cannot infringe upon a right due to misuse or abuse of a right by another.
To paraphrase a blogger named Tam, Everybody in the nation could commit murder with a gun tomorrow, except me. You would still have no right to infringe upon MY rights.
Obewon October 13th, 2014 at 1:44 am
“Well regulated”-2nd A is why they didn’t challenge ‘D.C.’s Mandatory annual gun registration, fees & background checks’ written into the SCOTUS Heller decision as a ‘must satisfy’ precondition.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 3:05 am
It wasn’t challenged because Heller stated that he didn’t care about the registration and would not challenge it. THAT is why it wasn’t in the case.
Well regulated means well trained and disciplined. And it applies to the militia, not the gun owner.
As for the gun violence….. cut out Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans, Detroit and surrounding towns, and DC, and our entire “gun murder rate” drops below that of Europe. What do all those cities have in common? Why….look at that! They are blue cities, filled with gangs.
Go do actual research and get back to us.
Obewon October 13th, 2014 at 4:44 am
All of the actual research of CDC/FBI by entire states & Global stats debunk you as linked above. Because you’re well proven: de·lu·sion·al false beliefs regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that persists despite the facts and occurs in some psychotic states—compare hallucination 1,illusion.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 9:59 am
Wow…. what a nonsensical word cloud that was in your first paragraph. Whatever are you babbling on about?
Well regulated in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with limits on my possessing any weapons.
If you had actually researched your topic, you would know this.
We are restricted due to the NFA of 1934 and other gun control acts in 1968 and 1986. Furthermore, the 2nd amendment had not been incorporated against the states until McDonald. NOW, those state laws that are infringements are falling.
And you can have bazookas and RPGs, etc. Bring lots of paperwork to the ATF. Bring lots of money. Get the permits. Your mention of nukes is just silly.
Of course, what we have is…is the right to keep and bear ARMS. Nukes, rpgs, etc…are not arms, but ordnance. Those arms that are in common lawful use and suitable for a militia are the protected arms under the 2nd amendment.
Perhaps you should actually read the case law before commenting further.
Obewon October 13th, 2014 at 4:14 pm
You’re a fruit loop who doesn’t even know what the words “Well regulated”-2nd A means. Why can’t you buy a new machine gun or any fully automatic Assault Weapons? Because they’re banned! D’oh!
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 5:13 pm
You’re STILL locked into thinking “well regulated” is about laws as it applies to the 2nd? Really?
Btw…. SCOTUS has never addressed the restrictions on automatic weapons. There has been ZERO cases. The only 2nd amendment cases that have come before the court are the Heller and McDonald cases. Neither addressed automatic weapons.
While the NFA and other Gun acts are considered constitutional at this time, that is only because there has been no challenge.
Automatic weapons, per Heller, MAY fall into the protected class.
You really should read the decision.
OR…you can continue to ignorantly spout your “well regulated” mantra…… you are being a GREAT example.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
Or you can continue to ignorantly think the founders fully intended to allow irresponsible asshats to carry firearms into retailer stores and frighten children.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 5:36 pm
Ignorantly think that the founders intended that the citizens exercise their right to keep and bear arms?
Nothing ignorant about it. Nor are children being frightened except by the hysterics of the gun control people.
People OC and CC all the time. It is ignored. The long gun carry is a political stunt in Texas. The gun control people are pretending that this is a national problem and hoping to get traction. They are getting ignored.
The Founders, per their own words and writings, intended for the citizens to exercise their right to keep and bear arms and have it protected by the Constitution. Furthermore, they wanted the population armed as to provide a source of armed citizens for the militia with no possible way for the government to disarm a militia.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
Clearly children are frightened by open carry in retail stores and city parks. To say otherwise is simply untrue.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 6:20 pm
Funny….open carry happens frequently in Virginia. No scared kids. In fact, I’ve had families come up and ask where they can go shooting in the area when I open carried.
Your projection of fear does not allow for the infringement of rights.
If a private property wishes to restrict it..that is their right and business…as it is if they decide to allow carry.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 6:31 pm
There is no need to carry a long gun into the grocery store or to sit down and drink a coffee. The only reason is to create fear. If these folk were truly interested in education they would go about it differently.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 6:34 pm
The only reason that they did carry that way was to bring attention to Texas’ restriction on open carry of pistols and its overly strict concealed carry rules.
They OC Texas group did it badly. I will even agree that they were stupid about how they did it. But that is the only OC that was allowed by Texas.
If you look at the various photos from their activities…you will notice a distinct LACK of fear in the surrounding people.
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 6:26 pm
any parent with an ounce of common sense would/should have issues. they don’t have personal experiences with these open carry fools, they don’t know if any of them suffer from some mental disorder. i’m sure the father of the 12 y/o who just murdered his 16 y/o sister then himself had absolutely no clue anything like this could happen. why would i put my physical well being in jeopardy because some stranger wants to walk around with a weapon that has the potential of killing a mass amount of people.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 6:29 pm
Better not get on the roads. There are nuts out there driving.
You are surrounded by armed people. Millions conceal carry. Some open carry. Criminals also carry. However, criminals very rarely carry long guns.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 9:21 pm
Article 2 of the Heller decision: Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 11:53 pm
Very good. That is exactly what supports my statement.
I hope Obewon reads it.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
You aren’t getting it, I was supporting what Obewon said
cargosquid October 15th, 2014 at 1:09 am
Yes…. I know. But that section doesn’t support Obewon. None of that is applicable to the term “well-regulated” in the 2nd Amendment. Read more of Heller and you will see where they address that term.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 16th, 2014 at 3:29 am
What I was more pointing at was that the “Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose”
Which is what the gun nuts (really for the lack of a better term for the ones that are not responsible and have no common sense. I have a friend that makes high end handguns, for Pete’s sake and I don’t lump him into that category, he trains officers and is training for the Olympics as a sharp shooter as well. I would trust him with my life and he would never go grocery shopping with an AK-47 strapped to his back. I imagine he CC’s in a holster and knowing him with his shirt over the holster. He always said he is more of a target if a bad guy knows he has a gun than if he doesn’t because he (having a gun) would be the first one the bad guy tried to take out. He says the element of surprise is way more valuable.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 16th, 2014 at 3:32 am
And the actual meaning of the word Regulated means Control, Manage, Regulate
control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly.
“a hormone that regulates metabolism and organ function”
synonyms:control, adjust, manage
“the flow of the river has been regulated”
control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.
“the organization that regulates fishing in the region”
synonyms:supervise, police, monitor, check, check up on,be responsible for; More
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 9:18 pm
In Article 3 of the Heller decision: Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56–64.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 11:55 pm
Exactly what I said.
Heller had no problem with registration and did not challenge it. The decision stated that he had the right to keep and bear and arm. In the limits of the case,this is the decision that protected his right to own a gun.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 10:50 pm
But you said he didn’t have to register and license, that was not true, he does
cargosquid October 15th, 2014 at 1:08 am
I stated that SCOTUS did not require it. DC already did. It was not part of the case.
Obewhon said this: Heller requires that Special Agent Heller ‘to keep his gun AT Home’ must annually meet local gun registration laws, pay fees & pass background checks yearly. Otherwise no guns are allowed at home for any D.C. resident.
Heller does not require it. DC requires it. It was not considered in the case. Heller did not reject that requirement because if was not part of the plaintiff’s complaint. The court did not consider any of the other possible infringements done by DC.
Now, however, they MUST allow some form of carry.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 8:54 pm
OKay so I commented before I read your post, Obewon, as always, you are my hero, LOL
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 8:53 pm
How about all the non-lethal shootings and accidental shootings? They are wayyyyyyy higher than the deaths……
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 9:04 pm
How about the estimated 108,000 defensive gun uses every year, according to the CDC? And that is the low estimate.
If you want to worry about accidents and woundings… what other dangers are you worried about?
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 9:16 pm
A child getting hold of a gun is what most worries me
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 11:49 pm
Worries everyone.
That’s why I’ve trained mine since she was three in gun safety.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 10:52 pm
That is why I never had mine in site and never allowed my children around them, they didn’t even know we owned a rifle until they were adults
cargosquid October 15th, 2014 at 1:03 am
Good thing that they didn’t come across any at their friends’ homes. Or somewhere in public by accident.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 16th, 2014 at 3:11 am
Good thing I talked to the other parents and took responsibility for where my children were, huh? And when they were growing up, here in my town, you pretty much wouldn’t find one laying out in the open “by accident” we have a super low crime rate here in our county.
Arleen Haskins October 13th, 2014 at 4:00 am
We’ll get gun control again when the black panthers start stocking up on guns.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 10:27 am
Thanks for pointing out that gun control has racist roots.
Arleen Haskins October 13th, 2014 at 2:28 pm
We’ll it is obvious that owning guns and being black does not go well. White people don’t have a problem owning guns. It has been demonstrated over and over. Black people can’t walk into a Krogers with a rifle strapped to his back or a side arm without getting attacked, arrested or killed. They usually get killed.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
Because gun control has racist roots. More black people should exercise their right to keep and bear arms.
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 6:20 pm
what makes you think that black people don’t excercise their rights to keep and bear arms? they just don’t feel the need to make jackasses out of themselves by going grocery shopping for milk and carrying or making a damn scene. whoopty GD dooo, so, you have a gun, and? aside from that, some paranoid idiot will call 911 and complain causing someone to be killed. get it?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 6:26 pm
Because of interviews with black people. Most live in gun controlled cities, for one.
Second, their community culture tends to be pro-gun control because they’ve been told for decades that it is bad to own a gun…..which plays right into racist gun control hands.
The right is to keep AND BEAR arms.
Some paranoid idiot….would that be the gun control people being frightened by a black person with a gun? Notice….I did not say that they had to OC. Concealed carry is a good thing.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 5:37 pm
Still waiting to find out what happens if a black man walks into a Kroger with a loaded gun.
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 5:54 pm
In 1966, a group of 30 Black Panthers marched into
the state capitol of California with loaded guns, rifles, and shotguns
displayed openly, holding them pointed toward the ground or toward the sky,
both accepted methods of displaying firearms in public.
The actions of the Black Panthers led the California State Legislature to consider and pass laws restricting openly carrying guns in
public.
Then-Governor Ronald Reagan said on the day of the visit to the capitol
by the Black Panthers, “There is no reason why on the street today a citizen
should be carrying loaded weapons.”
“There is no reason why on the street today a citizen
should be carrying loaded weapons.”
Governor
Ronald Reagan upon signing the Mulford Act in 1967,
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 6:15 pm
See…. racist gun control. One of Reagan’s few failings.
Of course, the Black Panthers were a known insurrectionist and criminal gang…….
I see no description of what happens if a black man carrying a gun walks into Krogers. I ask, because I’ve seen that quite often at the Krogers near my home. Is something supposed to happen to him because he is open carrying on his hip?
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 6:42 pm
Of course, the Black Panthers were a known insurrectionist and criminal gang…….
_________
So are many of the militia members.
As for black man carrying a gun walks into Krogers…
I can not speak to that as I have never seen it.
Black men get shot and beaten by police in MY city.
Would being armed have helped?
And Reagan had many failings.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 6:44 pm
Yes…. many militia members are similar. Private militias are not protected by the Constitution except under freedom of association.
Would being armed have helped? Probably not against POLICE, but against other threats.
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 6:47 pm
They didn’t face other threats.
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 8:52 pm
Oh bull poop! The only militia members that did that where either baited by the FBI or already felonies.
There have been two that where railroaded by a Podunk sheriff, that didn’t know the legal way to fight back.
There are 100’s of thousands of active members. This would be like saying mayors are all criminal. Just look at MAGS members.
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 8:57 pm
That’s what they ALL say.
Jones October 13th, 2014 at 9:25 pm
Maybe not on his hip. An assault style rifle might get a different result. Then again if Kroger welcomes it, everyone knows about it, and he’s a familiar customer,…then he might be allowed to live.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 11:46 pm
Right… allowed to live. Okay then.
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 6:16 pm
the same thing that happened to a black man that was in wal-mart holding a toy gun. (he was gunned down) a white man call 911 and lied about his use of this toy gun.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 6:22 pm
Yep….a racist gun control bigot illegally SWATTED him.
But that does not say what will happen to a black man walks into Kroger with a gun. I see it often. There is a black man that OC’s in to my local Kroger. Is something supposed to happen?
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 6:28 pm
No, Ritchie has described himself as a gun enthusiast, not a control advocate – in actuality he’s a lying attention seeking whore. And whether your very own black OC member is at risk depends on whether he’s shopping alone or with a group of white men.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 6:31 pm
Every time I’ve seen him, he’s been pushing his basket all alone. I’ve seen him for about two years now.
And I know quite a few more OC’ers that happen to be black. One has been paid by the Norfolk cops twice because he was harassed.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 6:32 pm
I’m sorry, but I don’t believe you. Honestly, in today’s world if that were happening, someone would be posting pictures of this phenomenon.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 6:42 pm
Why is that? Open carry happens quite frequently in parts of Virginia. We’ve had it for decades.
Most people don’t even notice the gun on the hip.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 8:49 pm
Are you sure he’s not an off duty security guard or policeman himself?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 9:06 pm
Off duty security guards cannot carry as an “off duty” guard. He would still be carrying as a civilian.
I’ve seen no evidence of a badge. Either way…he is open carrying. He is a black person. And he has no visible evidence of law enforcement…thus…to all appearances…he’s just a normal guy that open carries.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 9:14 pm
off duty officers don’t have to carry their badge. They carry as civilians as well but can use their status if needed. I do know off duty security that oc a holstered weapon, those I don’t mind, it’s the flashy big ones that bother me. Overkill
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 11:50 pm
My point was that he appears as a normal citizen.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 10:52 pm
My point exactly, therefore you don’t know if he is or not
cargosquid October 15th, 2014 at 1:03 am
It doesn’t matter if he is law enforcement or not. The citizenry ignores him.
Jeremy Hatfield October 14th, 2014 at 8:02 pm
I’ve noticed the same in Alaska. Fairbanks is supposed to be in the heaviest armed borough in the nation, yet so far, no arctic Somalias have erupted.
And with Constitutional Carry to boot!
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 6:30 pm
it can if some racist decides to call 911 and lie about a behavior that’s non-existence such as the case i mentioned. then his health is dependent on what cop shows up.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 6:35 pm
That can happen to anyone that open carries. Race is irrelevant.
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 6:57 pm
lie lie lie lie lie lies LIESSSS! a woman call 911 when some white guys were in a wal-mart with their “long guns” and when the police got there they said it was not against the law and that was it. a white 18 y/o in aurora was walking around with his gun and with good reason people called 911. when the police confronted him, they questioned him and asked him for an i.d. he refused he refused to also give them his name. nothing happened to him. we know for a fact that black males get shot down for jay-walking, so no race is very relevant.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 5:50 pm
I do want to complement the moderators on here. Many liberal sites have moderators that comment but are not labeled as mods, and then ban or delete opposing views.
So far, I have not seen that.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 8:47 pm
I have never seen that unless someone gets REALLY ugly and abusive
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 8:47 pm
Don’t they do delete comments
SoSezYou October 15th, 2014 at 8:58 pm
why be surprised? You claim “libruls” are hateful and closed minded yet you keep finding proof otherwise and you can also find proof the vast majority of rightwing websites DO NOT act in the same manner and quick deletions of “off message” posts are par for the course. But, you keep on accusing “libruls” of whatever Breitbart says to copy and paste for today. The weight of your specious arguments brings you back down to the gutter.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 7:10 pm
http://cw33.com/2014/10/06/sel…
Thought you guys might like this.
Huey P. Newton Gun Club.
Black men with guns
Love it!
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 11:46 pm
Excellent. Spoons are terrifying.
TK Carnage November 7th, 2014 at 9:55 pm
Liberalism is a mental disorder
KB723 November 7th, 2014 at 10:09 pm
So is a negative reply on a Liberal Blog, would you like to Sniff my Ass???
Larry Hall November 16th, 2014 at 5:27 am
I cracked up and spit my drink all over my screen over the bit about the ‘bully Moms’. lolol
You have to carry a weapon to show you’re not a bully. If they don’t believe you, just go upside their head with the butt of your gun to show them you’ll do whatever you damned well please. If that doesn’t convince them, blow their freakin’ heads off. The nerve of those freakin’ people. Calling a man with a gun a bully!!!
You’re only a bully until you take away your gun. Then you run away like a scared little girl. That’s why you carry the gun. To be SOMEBODY! Without it, you’re just a frightened paranoid little kitten.
SUPER 68 IS DOWN March 2nd, 2015 at 10:12 am
Oh please the Moms Demand Action HATE Group deletes and bans almost any opposing message
joezamecki March 9th, 2015 at 9:23 am
How ironic that they would basically threaten people with pics like that, because some folks responded to them threatening people with guns like that, in person. Their problem and their solution to it are all the same. No wonder they don’t even want any laws restricting mentally ill people from buying guns.
Grits.N.Jowls May 20th, 2015 at 7:42 am
Fine but Kroger and Wal-Mart go back and forth as the #1 grocery chain, so it doesn’t look like the gun controllers are having much success. How stupid they look in that store though.
OldLefty May 20th, 2015 at 7:54 am
These gun nuts AWAYS look stupid.
Like overgrown little kids playing tough guy.