California Senate Passes Mandatory Vaccination Bill
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If it becomes law, children would be forced to be vaccinated in California.
The bill, according to the Huffington Post, gives parents the ability to opt out of vaccinations for their children for medical reasons only. Under the law, parents would not be allowed to cite religious or personal beliefs as a reason not to vaccinate their children.
“Vaccinations are necessary to protect us,” Senator Richard Pan said, “but that protection has been eroding. We need to do more to protect our communities.”
The controversial bill, if enacted, would make California the third state to enforce strict vaccine laws – alongside Mississippi and West Virginia. Many parents throughout the state have objected to the bill, staging protests outside of lawmakers’ offices statewide and expressing their opposition to making vaccines mandatory.
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Carla Akins May 15th, 2015 at 2:53 pm
That is not a true representation of this bill. It removes the personal exemption, period. If you want your child to attend public schools, and they are medically able then they are required to be vaccinated. Those that feel strongly can homeschool, I’m unsure of how it affects private schools.
allison1050 May 15th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
And we know that all of the parents protesting have been vaccinated. When I was growing up in California you had to show proof of vaccinations when did the requirement stop?
J. Jones May 15th, 2015 at 5:42 pm
This won’t pass constitutional muster.
Carla Akins May 15th, 2015 at 7:28 pm
Thirty-one other states have the same provision and do not allow personal exemption. Outside of CA, only 18 other states allow for person exemptions and two of those are looking at similar law changes.
J. Jones May 15th, 2015 at 8:32 pm
Any challenges?
Carla Akins May 15th, 2015 at 8:45 pm
No Constitutional ones that I’m aware of, but it was standard law until 1989. One of the states that tried removing the personal exemption could not get gain enough support to garner a debate. Maine also removed the personal exemption in Feb 2015. California has been the state hardest hit by the outbreaks, the worst since the mid 90’s in PA.
J. Jones May 15th, 2015 at 11:00 pm
It will be interesting when it’s litigated to the fullest. A tax issue or two might come into play when it is.
Carla Akins May 16th, 2015 at 7:32 pm
For eons people have chosen to send their kids to private school, home school or not be parents – none of that exempts you from property taxes.
J. Jones May 17th, 2015 at 6:08 pm
There is a difference between not sending one’s children to public school and being told one’s children can’t attend public schools.
Carla Akins May 17th, 2015 at 6:18 pm
True, but they can go to school – they just have to be vaccinated. The law doesn’t require everyone, just those requesting personal exemptions for no medical reason. It’s become a public health issue that affects more than just those unvaccinated children. Any time you put large groups of people together in a small fixed enclosed place there are restrictions for the good of all, it’s simply impossible to indulge every personal philosophy.
J. Jones May 17th, 2015 at 9:10 pm
Your sense of security is a false one unless you can mandate everyone be vaccinated regardless of setting and even that is a bit “iffy.” The best you can do is essentially what we have now – e.g., most vaccinate their children and a relative few don’t.
Carla Akins May 17th, 2015 at 8:59 pm
People are told all the time there are certain compliance requirements for use of public services.
J. Jones May 17th, 2015 at 9:01 pm
Balance that with the free and appropriate public education each American child is due from the state.
Carla Akins May 17th, 2015 at 9:02 pm
free from disease
J. Jones May 17th, 2015 at 9:15 pm
Not at all. Try again. Maybe we could build schools for those that don’t want the vaccinations. Or we could send public school teachers to the individual homes of those children not vaccinated. Or perhaps we could turn to the private market and provide full tuition and costs not vaccinated to private schools willing to take the modest risk.
whatthe46 May 17th, 2015 at 9:28 pm
“Or we could send public school teachers to the individual homes of those children not vaccinated.” teachers are parents too. why would they subject themselves to risk? homeschool your kids. and as for the private market? its call private schools. they may or may not require immunizations. again, its their risk to take.
J. Jones May 17th, 2015 at 10:39 pm
So you are either proposing that teachers are not willing to be vaccinated or the vaccination in question is ineffective. Which proposition do you make?
J. Jones May 17th, 2015 at 11:08 pm
Sure, I’ve no problem with the government paying to send such kids to private schools. That might put an interesting wrinkle in the voucher argument, though.
whatthe46 May 17th, 2015 at 11:38 pm
what?
J. Jones May 17th, 2015 at 11:55 pm
So you weren’t proposing the government continues to pay for the unvaccinated child’s schooling? Is that your position?
whatthe46 May 17th, 2015 at 11:57 pm
the govt. doesn’t pay for private school.
J. Jones May 18th, 2015 at 12:11 am
That’s true enough (in most cases,) for those that choose not to attend public schools. What we have with the unvaccinated child, however, is a child wishing to go to public school. Under that circumstance, the government is still obligated to provide that education.
whatthe46 May 18th, 2015 at 12:18 am
in what cases are you aware of that the govt. pays for private school? the govt. is obligated to pay for public education, but that doesn’t mean you can’t ignore the rules. vaccinate. period.
J. Jones May 18th, 2015 at 12:38 am
There are actually a fair number of cases where the government(s) pay for private schools. There are, for instance, government vouchers to attend private schools. Over and above that, though, there are a number of cases where the government(s) pay for a private education for those seeking a fair and appropriate public education. I know you want to think of this as an area in which there is no room for anything other than absolutes, but in practice I think you’ll find that absolute world hard to achieve in real life under the system of governance the founders gave us.
tracey marie May 17th, 2015 at 6:27 pm
Nope, then childless people would be exempt.
J. Jones May 17th, 2015 at 6:39 pm
Not at all. Why would you think that?
tracey marie May 17th, 2015 at 6:44 pm
why should idiots for parents not pay. Vaccinate your kids
Dennis Killian May 18th, 2015 at 3:20 am
No tax issues.
J. Jones May 18th, 2015 at 7:44 am
Wishful thinking.
Dennis Killian May 18th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
Fact !
J. Jones May 18th, 2015 at 4:23 pm
The primary tax issue would revolve around taxing parents for a mandated requirement that their children are unable meet by attending the public facilities created for that purpose.
Dennis Killian May 18th, 2015 at 4:43 pm
What about taxing people that have never and will never have kids !
If they wanted to send their kids to school nude, they would still have to pay the tax !
J. Jones May 18th, 2015 at 5:05 pm
So that would be those that don’t have kids that you’re proposing want to send the kids they don’t have to school with no clothes? What about them?
Dennis Killian May 18th, 2015 at 5:12 pm
OK
Just stay the clueless fool.
Bye troll
J. Jones May 18th, 2015 at 5:16 pm
Speak for yourself, you that imagines childless people send their child to school naked.
rg9rts May 16th, 2015 at 9:17 am
Home school the brats… your right to infect others and inflict untold harm ends at the school door..No shots? No school…no problem
J. Jones May 16th, 2015 at 4:14 pm
and no school taxes to be paid?
rg9rts May 16th, 2015 at 7:30 pm
EVERYONE that owns property pays taxes …brats or not.
J. Jones May 17th, 2015 at 6:08 pm
And because of that, everyone gets to send their children to a public school.
tracey marie May 17th, 2015 at 6:27 pm
I don’t have children yet I do not whine about paying taxes that HELPs the country and it’s citizens.
J. Jones May 17th, 2015 at 6:39 pm
And?
rg9rts May 18th, 2015 at 12:42 am
And the school has rules …like no shots…no school… I’ll bet that even the school you went to had a dress code…
J. Jones May 18th, 2015 at 7:46 am
Sure schools have rules, but schools are not the final arbiter as to which of its rules are allowed. It’s a good thing. And, no, the schools I went to had no dress codes of the type that we have now.
rg9rts May 18th, 2015 at 8:20 am
That may be your problem
J. Jones May 18th, 2015 at 8:24 am
Not a problem at all. It’s just the way things are. I would guess it’s a bummer for control freaks, though.
rg9rts May 18th, 2015 at 8:48 am
Not a control issue if its YOUR family that get infected or your child is born blind from measles exposure..is it
J. Jones May 18th, 2015 at 8:58 am
It is a control issue. What makes you think it isn’t?
tracey marie May 17th, 2015 at 6:26 pm
pay your taxes just like childless couples and people do.
J. Jones May 17th, 2015 at 6:40 pm
And because of those taxes, the state is obligated to educate the children of the community which collects the taxes.
tracey marie May 17th, 2015 at 6:43 pm
And? childidh couples pay taxes as well, you don’t see us whining like a little tool about it. Vaccinate your kids so they don’t kill someone.
J. Jones May 17th, 2015 at 8:20 pm
Whining?
Dennis Killian May 18th, 2015 at 3:18 am
Wrong !
J. Jones May 18th, 2015 at 7:44 am
Oh? How so?
CandideThirtythree May 15th, 2015 at 6:37 pm
Americans have a constitutional right to be as stupid as they want to be but you don’t have a right to kill other people with your stupidity and not vaccinating is as stupid as it gets.
rg9rts May 16th, 2015 at 9:15 am
Where have you been?? MIA for how long???
CandideThirtythree May 16th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
Felt like death warmed over for months, I didn’t even feel like reading much less commenting. How have you been old friend?
rg9rts May 16th, 2015 at 7:28 pm
Looking for you! stop by you are missed and we worry
rg9rts May 16th, 2015 at 9:15 am
The kids a truant and you’ll be a jailbird for putting people at risk
tracey marie May 17th, 2015 at 6:28 pm
Good, make the reprobates vaccinate their children and the argument about taxes is ridiculous. I have no children and pay my taxes.